Training & Nutrition - Your Only Grocery List You'll EVER Need!

pie - it's not just for breakfast anymore

I notice that many of you make humour out of this, too bad.

The contents of that grocery list is nothing more than the cleanest food sources you'll find in your grocery shop. If you want to be healthy, get all the best protein, carbs and fats, then you'll definetly want to eat that stuff. If you want the optimal performance while cycling, then that's the stuff to eat. Want to maximize your red blood cell count? That's that stuff to eat!

My qualifications? I've been into the world of bodybuilding for 7 years, and cycling for 5 years (been on a long cycling break though, but I'm back!). I've read countless of articles on nutrition and health, participated in debates and of course eaten those things :)
I didn't make up that list btw., it's a well recognized list of things to eat when you want clean and healthy food, no matter what sport you're participating in.


You must be joking right? PORK? (lamb is good though). Pork amino acid build-up is poor, your body will utilize pork protein very badly, because it lacks so many amino acids that your body needs.

Maybe it's time to bring some solid science in here...hmm....


hmm whats any cleaner about aspartame than hfcs both are man made and we don't know their long term effects.

also pork has a complete amino profile 'cos its ana nimal protein tis flesh ffs if it didn't have a complete amino proflie to build muscle how can it be a musle?

Nutrition is far more religion than science. The fact is that we know very little about how our bodies react to foods except under very controlled conditions -- outside of which, we all live.

That said, filling yourself with what you think is good food and then on rare occasion blowing your diet with your favorite vice -- pie, 14 Oreos, pizza, beer -- is probably good for you. Your body will tell you what it needs, and God knows, pie is probably loaded with some undiscovered vital nutrient depleted by high intensity training.

and God knows, pie is probably loaded with some undiscovered vital nutrient depleted by high intensity training.-> it does: calories and enthusiasm,!it is easy to do 100 miles if there is a good pie at the end

also pork has a complete amino profile 'cos its ana nimal protein tis flesh ffs if it didn't have a complete amino proflie to build muscle how can it be a musle?

That's probably not completely true. There are different degrees of "refinement" in muscle tissue between different species. The biomechanical mechanisms for how these cells produce motion can vary. (chicken for instance is one of the more primitive and easily understood muscle tissues from a nanoscale standpoint) as such different species are going to have different relative concentrations of the amino acids in their muscle tissue. I'm not saying muscle isn't complete. Complete just implies that all the acids are there, not that they're there in the same %composition as human muscle.

The other side of the amino game is that you can force large enough amounts of incomplete proteins in that your body will modify them into what you need as long as they're there in enough abundance and you have enough energy on hand.

That's probably not completely true. There are different degrees of "refinement" in muscle tissue between different species. The biomechanical mechanisms for how these cells produce motion can vary. (chicken for instance is one of the more primitive and easily understood muscle tissues from a nanoscale standpoint) as such different species are going to have different relative concentrations of the amino acids in their muscle tissue. I'm not saying muscle isn't complete. Complete just implies that all the acids are there, not that they're there in the same %composition as human muscle.

The other side of the amino game is that you can force large enough amounts of incomplete proteins in that your body will modify them into what you need as long as they're there in enough abundance and you have enough energy on hand. but nonetheless they are complete proteins and +1 on the combining incomplete proteins rice n'peas all the way!

as they say, we all die of something... I suspect vegans die of boredom :D

dont get me wrong, I really like like my whole grain.... in the form of a medium rare t-bone

ehhh, my experience has shown that vegans generally eat a much more interesting and diverse diet that most meat eaters who simply stick to large slabs of meat with a couple sides. if you can't rely on beef or chicken to make up the bulk of your diet, and it is admittedly boring to just eat steamed veggies all the time, you tend to branch out a lot more and try a lot more different stuff.

i was strict vegetarian for 7 years then vegan for 3. i recently started eating fish again, largely in the form of sushi, but still refrain from eating eggs or dairy - so basically vegan + fish. i only eat fish on average 3 times a week. i also make a point to eat mostly whole foods and avoid almost anything processed. personally, this is the perfect diet for me.

edit: what the hell?! just noticed this thread is mostly 2 years old.

This list is filled with MSG which is known to cause obesity. And lacking saturated fat which is important to the healthy development of muscles and proper bloodflow. Plus where are the cholesterol foods? There's NO liver in your diet.

Oh yea...im not trying to lose weight or anything. I just need ENERGY. And im trying to lower my cholesterol..but my butter/olive oil only + eggs +whatever unprocessed meat I want diet is proving to do the task quite well. I eat lots of bananas and some vegetables when I can.

This list is filled with MSG which is known to cause obesity. And lacking saturated fat which is important to the healthy development of muscles and proper bloodflow. Plus where are the cholesterol foods? There's NO liver in your diet.

Oh yea...im not trying to lose weight or anything. I just need ENERGY. And im trying to lower my cholesterol..but my butter/olive oil only + eggs +whatever unprocessed meat I want diet is proving to do the task quite well. I eat lots of bananas and some vegetables when I can.
maybe try carbohydrate? im pretty sure staurated fat isn't uncorrolated to obesity either

Kale
Spinach
Chick peas
Pintos
Black beans
Red beans
Himalayan Red Rice
lentils (my new favorite fiber/protein source of late)
carrots
cabbage
raddagio
radish
beets
sweet potatoes
kalif
omega-3 eggs
did I mention sweet potatoes?
soynut butter (the bomb...diggity:p)
sprouting-grain breads
omega-3 waffles (any quality brand)
VIVA cereal
bananas
cantalope
apples
lemons
limes
olive oil
omega-3 quality vegan butters
omega-3 quality oils

I'll add as I remember stuff off my normal list

Wow. I better stay away from that Alcahol stuff, sounds dangerous!

What a relief that I only drink alcohol...
mature

$600 later......

how about a grocery list for someone just out of college with no money.

$600 later......

how about a grocery list for someone just out of college with no money.

Actually, my groceries for my wife and 3 children and I run on average - maybe $300 a month. Break that down and my 'healthy' choices cost me closer to $150 a month.

Beans and rice are bulk items. I recommend finding the best deal on them by comparing prices at your local grocery stores. I think I pay less than $20 for a months supply of lentils, black beans, adzuki beans, kidney beans -- japanese sushi-style rice, himalayan red rice

Kale and other leafy greens can actually be grown at home if you look into it. I got 3 55-gallon whiskey barrels and converted them in my 'backyard' which is really a 5x5 enclosure in the back of my duplex. I grow my own cabbage, kale, spinach as well as onions and scallots and scallions.

I could go on and on with ways we've found to cut costs living a vegetarian lifestyle.

Salmon is the best cooked fish ever!
Huh? Salmon is best raw. Salmon nigiri is absolutely divine.

Huh? Salmon is best raw. Salmon nigiri is absolutely divine.
depends ont he quality

thats the worst list ever.
No dates for energy?
No legumes for protein?
NO BEER!!!

:)

I think this list is a great base to start off with. However, everyone is different and there is alot to be said about eating a few other things in moderation that you enjoy or rewarding yourself with a beer or two, pie or whatever you might like if you actually enjoy it. This is especially true during the high training part of a season. When you are burning 6000-7000 calories/day one needs very high calorie content food in addition to the balanced food contained in the list.

Some people need a few extra things to enjoy. Not everyone can be strict on their food intake for many reasons. For this reason, there needs to be flexibility and no specific list makes up everything everyone would ever need for any sport. I will tell you that when I was touring last summer, if I would have only eaten foods from that list, I wouldn't have had enough energy to do the distances that I did. You can't eat 6000-7000 calories/day based on this list without being too full.

Not at all! Alcahol will mess you up real nice :)
So does an inability to spell 6-7 letter words but we won't go there...care to share your evidence of how "alcahol" (maybe different from alcohol which I drink) will "mess you up" when used in moderation? I have a hard time believing you will be able to find anything. If done in moderation and at the right time it won't bite.
~Nick

Nutrition is far more religion than science. The fact is that we know very little about how our bodies react to foods except under very controlled conditions -- outside of which, we all live.

That said, filling yourself with what you think is good food and then on rare occasion blowing your diet with your favorite vice -- pie, 14 Oreos, pizza, beer -- is probably good for you. Your body will tell you what it needs, and God knows, pie is probably loaded with some undiscovered vital nutrient depleted by high intensity training.

Long term testing on a large population is science in my book. People in mediterranean countries have been eating a similar diet for hundreds (thousands?) of years and don't suffer from the common diet related maladies that americans do.

Thats scientific proof to me that their diet works.

Steak
Cake
Beer
Coffee
Tea
Potato
a great variety of fruits and veggie

I could survive on the above and not feel deprived at all. :D Soy protein - sheesh!

Are there any other substitutes for the protiens? E.g nuts? Because i'm Vegetarian :)

We have a grass fed elk in our freezer every fall. Now that's nice!

PeterMac

I can't not drink any booze? What are you, a saint?

Nor do I eat red meat, as that really is evil.

I can't not drink any booze? What are you, a saint?

Nor do I eat red meat, as that really is evil.

I don't think anybody at anytime here said "You can not drink booze." But, if you didn't notice, a great many of us are teatotin' vegetarians...

Now we're finally arriving at:

THE GREATEST QUESTION OF ALL TIME

Pie vs. Cake

http://www.roosterteeth.com/media/viewItem.php?id=215

Go vegan.
Take out the meat and dairy.
Only whole foods.
You will live longer and healthier.
AS if! I love you Vegans, so funny, so un-Paleolithic.

For the person who is completely into nutrition and eating the best they possibly can, etc etc, this info is pretty good. For the average person, not so much. Really, it could be summed up into this:
-Stop eating fast food. Start eating fresh food.
I'm a foodie, and loves me some food. But I always try to incorporate the freshest ingredients i can get my hands on, and stay as far away from processed foods as possible. But, not so long ago in my life I was existing on takeout and drive thrus. I'm just happy to be eating better.

Over a year ago I read that Floyd Landis ate In 'n Out burgers on a fairly regular basis. ...and most all of us remember him drinking Jack Daniels the night before stage 17 of TDF last year ;)

I'm doing a century charity ride Sunday with some buddies. Afterwards you can bet we'll be pounding the suds and may order myself 2 meals for dinner.

the cake scene is huge after most uk races!

sugar free maple syrup?? LOL

Tastes like crap......I have a full bottle if you want it.

What's next, sugar free Pixie Stix? Sugar free cotton candy?

I actually think they make sugar free Pixie Stix and cotton candy already:(

sf peeps exist!

I know the OP is old and dusty but where's the CAMEL? You do realize camel meat is the healthiest red meat you can eat.

http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/files/muhammad-camel.jpg