Triathlon - Knee issues ??? Clipless pedals?

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kfb
06-06-05, 04:44 PM
Well I took 3 weeks off from running after beginning to experience ITB pain. I filled in some of those running days with light spin rides, and continued with my normal biking. Tried to run today, and unfortunately had the same issue. After appx 1 mile the pain rears it's ugly head again. Not severe by any means, but definitely noticeable. After reading this article below, i'm now thinking it's the biking causing the problem, not the running? Possibly incorrect cleat setting? I have never had a knee injury before, nor had I ever used clipless pedals before this April. Have any of you ever experienced ITB from biking rather than running? If so, did a specific adjustment correct the problem? My tri is in two weeks so i'll just have to deal with the pain during the run (3.1 miles), but i'd sure like to get this corrected afterwards.

CYCLING:
The sport of cycling has steadily increased in popularity since the 1980s and so has the incidence of ITBFS in cyclists. Although cycling is considered to be less abusive to weightbearing joints because there is no heel strike, there is potential for overuse problems from repetition (7).

In cycling, with each pedaling stroke, the ITB is pulled anteriorly on the downstroke and posteriorly on the upstroke (8). Knee flexion and extension occur approximately 4800 times an hour ( at an average cadence of 80 revolutions per minute ), so the ITB is especially susceptible to repetitive irritation (7). The posterior fibers of the ITB that contour more closely to the lateral femoral epicondyle seem to be especially susceptible to friction irritation while pedaling (8).

BIKE FIT
- Active pronation with internal tibial rotation increases tension on the ITB. Look for cleats that are excessively internally rotated in the cyclist with ITBFS complaints. Cleat position should be corrected to reflect the cyclist's anatomic alignment or can be externally rotated to reduce stretch on the ITB. If the cyclist is riding with fixed clipless pedals, a switch to floating pedals is often beneficial. Seat position may be too high or too aft and should be adjusted to 30 to 35 degrees of flexion at dead bottom of the pedaling stroke (8).

Spacers can also be placed between the pedal and the crankarm to reduce stress on the ITB by widening the cyclist's stance on the bike and improve hip to foot alignment. Other variants include: leg length discrepancies, active internal tibial rotation or pronation while pedaling, excessive hill work and increased mileage. For further information please refer to the two articles by Holmes listed in the reference section.

Full ITB article (http://www.csuchico.edu/phed/atc/Projects/ITband/ITBFS.html)


MHR
06-06-05, 05:23 PM
It could be cause by your running and not the bike - maybe - maybe not.
The only time I had issues with an IT band pain came because I did not rotate the direction of my run. By this I mean always running "with" or "against traffic". The crown on the road causes one leg to travel a shorter distance than the other - thus causing IT band issues over time. How much depends on how bad the crown is - and if you have many hills in combination. Once I started rotating my run direction - combined with stretching of the IT band my problems went away. Be glad you are doing a sprint and not a 1/2 IM or an IM...for 3.1 miles you could deal with it.

H2OChick
06-06-05, 10:52 PM
I have a friend who uses Speedplay pedals because (she says) they allow her more range of motion for her knees and are more forgiving. I don't have any personal knowledge of them, but maybe you could research them?


cycleprincess
06-07-05, 12:45 AM
I have a friend who uses Speedplay pedals because (she says) they allow her more range of motion for her knees and are more forgiving. I don't have any personal knowledge of them, but maybe you could research them?

I'm waiting for my speedplays to come (from e-bay where I totally got ripped off...another rant for another time). I got them for the same reason, they are supposed to be better for the knees. I'll let you know what I think.

audiojan
06-07-05, 07:28 AM
Don't spend money on anything else until you have gone for a bike fit! I had knee issues (always had poor knees...) but they are now perfect after a bike fit. I was about to replace pedals, cranks, (and probably eventually blame the frame and replace that...)etc. etc. etc. but spent the $100 for a proper fit. Not only did it solve my knee problems, but I am MUCH more efficient which means better bike splits.

MHR
06-07-05, 10:13 AM
I agree that Fit is the most important thing you can do after your bike purchase. Also, after a fit don't expect that it will be 100% perfect either. There will be tweeking and more tweeking - it's expected.
Most experienced fitters will ask you - go ride it for a while - or race this weekend and there is feedback expected on part of the rider back to the fitter.
After I had my fit in my Trek-TT I had shortened by bars 3 or 4 times 1/4" at a time. Race - adjust, race - adjust. I also raised my seat 1/8" (from the orginal fit specifications) - a small change but again it is tweeking to gain the max power, and efficiency. It is also improtant to understand that bike set-up should change from an Olympic distance to that of an Ironman - understanding thow much the degree of aggressiveness (how much percent of the running muscle group you are activitating during the bike) in the set-up and how it will compromise the run.
After you have it right mark everything with permanent marker.

I have a friend who uses Speedplay pedals because (she says) they allow her more range of motion for her knees and are more forgiving. I don't have any personal knowledge of them, but maybe you could research them?
Speedplay pedals have hot spots for many riders - but it depends on the distance you race/ride. I use Dura Ace Pedals because of the larger surface area which works for me at all distances.