Bmx Help

[Leespug206]

Hi i got offered 50 quid for a airborne miss behaven bmx frame.
It is made out of titanium maybe some of you have heard of this frame.
I fort "titanium" this is a strong metal and very expensive all the pro's use it on their bmx's. i snatched it off him gave him the money and ran. probably worth that in scrap. i got told by airborne that the frame can be used for trials and street. but my local bike shop says titanium will bend if you use it on street. personal i do street and vert, i was wondering if anyone can tell me weva this frame will, bend or snap if i take it on the ramps, and perform backflips, tailwhips and huge air etc. i dont no weva to build it up take it out and see. Or sell it on.
Plz Help!!

[eastern-biker]

i dopnt think it will iam a metal worker/welder and that stuff can take a beaten

[CMcMahon]

It will almost certainly break. That frame was designed for racing, nothing else; even frames designed for street that have been made in titanium have snapped (ex: Taj Mihelich's one-of-a-kind titanium Barcode).

And "all the pros" do not use it on their bikes. Very, very few people have titanium frames, and 99.9% of those - aside from the insanely expensive Creedence freestyle frames and the titanium Premium prototype - are for racing.

And, BTW, the way that you phrased the comment about taking "it on the ramps, and perform backflips, tailwhips and huge air" says that you're nothing more than a poser to me. Who the hell says that? "Hey guys, I'nm gonna go out to the park today and ride my freestyle BMX and do stunts!" Seriously.

[queensrider86]

And, BTW, the way that you phrased the comment about taking "it on the ramps, and perform backflips, tailwhips and huge air" says that you're nothing more than a poser to me. Who the hell says that? "Hey guys, I'nm gonna go out to the park today and ride my freestyle BMX and do stunts!" Seriously.


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[Brian]

Titanium is my friend. But to make a frame suitable for street use, you'd have to use some big tubes, and a few gussets. The properties inherent in this metal don't lend themselves well to BMX abuse.

Also, scrap titanium is nearly worthless. It's actually a fairly common element, present in very small quantities in aluminum even. It's high cost is due to the expensive of making it into something useful. Expensive tools are required, and the welding process in intolerant to the slightest amount of contamination.

One more thing - stay in school.

[Leespug206]

right cheers for your help guys, just to say i am not a poser i was just telling you what sort of abuse it will be taking, and pro's do use titanium e.g titanium spindle, axels, sprockets, seatposts, pegs. titanium is a very strong metal for pressure just the shock might break it.

[Brian]

right cheers for your help guys, just to say i am not a poser i was just telling you what sort of abuse it will be taking, and pro's do use titanium e.g titanium spindle, axels, sprockets, seatposts, pegs. titanium is a very strong metal for pressure just the shock might break it.

Pressure? Shock? You really don't know what you're going on about. Titanium is about 1/2 the density of steel. It also has roughly 1/2 the tensile strength. Translated, that means that in order to have the same strength as steel, a titanium frame would need to weigh nearly as much as a steel one. It's easy to make a titanium BMX frame that's lighter than steel, but doesn't make sense to try to make one that's as strong as steel - any benefits would be quickly outweighed by the costs. Got it? A race frame would be light, but not as strong as a steel one.

[Leespug206]

thats true but why would the company advertise it as being a trials, jump and street frame. with a lifetime guarante if it breaks.

[KinetikBiker]

It will almost certainly break. That frame was designed for racing, nothing else; even frames designed for street that have been made in titanium have snapped (ex: Taj Mihelich's one-of-a-kind titanium Barcode).

And "all the pros" do not use it on their bikes. Very, very few people have titanium frames, and 99.9% of those - aside from the insanely expensive Creedence freestyle frames and the titanium Premium prototype - are for racing.

And, BTW, the way that you phrased the comment about taking "it on the ramps, and perform backflips, tailwhips and huge air" says that you're nothing more than a poser to me. Who the hell says that? "Hey guys, I'nm gonna go out to the park today and ride my freestyle BMX and do stunts!" Seriously.
Taj's Ti frame snaped...i didnt know that...but i do remember the pics in BMX plus! of it like 2 or 3 years back and it was silver looking...they said it weighed like 23 pounds in total...

[mude]

thats true but why would the company advertise it as being a trials, jump and street frame. with a lifetime guarante if it breaks.

if its advertised as trials than it'd just be plain old week and light. trilals are made for basically hopping around on your back wheel. (theres more to it than that). no for jumping and street. WHO ADVERTISES A BIKE AS A "JUMP" FRAME. unless you meant "trail" instead of "trials"

[CMcMahon]

pro's do use titanium e.g titanium spindle, axels, sprockets, seatposts, pegs.

Notice how none of those parts are frames, dumbass? There's a reason for that. And the number of people using titanium seatposts is incredibly small, mainly because there's absolutely no reason to be running one when you could be using a cheaper, lighter aluminum one.


thats true but why would the company advertise it as being a trials, jump and street frame. with a lifetime guarante if it breaks.

Because Airborne never did advertise it as that. It was BMX racing frame, not a freestyle frame or a trials (as if that would make sense, since trials bikes have 26" wheels).

[Leespug206]

http://www.airborne.net/eready/janette/store/mbbike.asp
here's the website read it

[CMcMahon]

Well, they sure as hell didn't have that in any of the ads I saw for it five years ago.

[Leespug206]

five years ago are we talking about the same frame? Airborne have made 3 different bmx frames 1999 , 2001 , 2003. i have the 2003.

[CMcMahon]

Yes, I'm talking about the same frame. Hell, check the reviews on the site, they're all of that bike from 2000, when it came out; you'll also notice that , aside from Ride UK, they're racer magazines, and even the Ride UK review states that it's a race bike.

Do me a favor, and ride that bike on street. More importantly, ride it on street with pegs. Notice that you can't do that because of the dropouts? And also note how it's got v-brake mounts, so that it's ten times harder to mount a detangler on it. 3/8" dropout slots? That's a race bike, regardless of what they say.

[Leespug206]

ok chill man. just going with what it says. i respect your advice.
so what about a terrible one ruben or barcode? are they any good? and which is better you seem to know alot and i could learn somethig off you.

[CMcMahon]

The Barcode is a great frame; it's been tried and true for years. The Ruben would probably be a great frame too, if it had used the Mid BB instead of the stupid Spanish BB.

[Leespug206]

any other good frames?
would it be cheaper to buy a full bike and change bits after?

[Brian]

thats true but why would the company advertise it as being a trials, jump and street frame. with a lifetime guarante if it breaks.

Do you know what a "Lifetime Guarantee" is?

[Leespug206]

i do thats why i asked? why would they put a lifetime guarante on it if people are just going to go out there and break it, must be some small print but cant be arsed reading it.

[CMcMahon]

Their lifetime warranty is not the same as it is with other companies, such as S&M. If you break an Airborne, you're going to pay for a new one; not as much as you originally did, but you're still going to pay more than what a normal frame costs.

And, yes, it would most definitely be cheaper to just buy a Haro, Mongoose, Fit, or Specialized complete and change parts afterwards; hell, if you buy the highest-end completes from any of those companies, you won't even need to change anything.

[Brian]

A "Lifetime Guarantee" is not your lifetime, it's the lifetime of the product. And that generally only covers defects in materials and workmanship for the usable life of the item. For a bike frame, that may be a season, a year, or a couple of years. It also means they'll replace it (or repair some things) if it breaks due to a manufacturing defect. They won't replace it if you land hard and break it. Think about it. Do you really think anyone can afford to say "Here, break this and we'll just give you a new one"?

[queensrider86]

http://www.airborne.net/eready/janette/store/mbbike.asp
here's the website read it


that headtube looks retarded

[queensrider86]

ok chill man. just going with what it says. i respect your advice.
so what about a terrible one ruben or barcode? are they any good? and which is better you seem to know alot and i could learn somethig off you.


all T1 frames are the same, they just make slight modifications. some frames have 3/16 dropouts instead of 1/4. different toptube sizes. lowered wishbones. integrated seatpost

[CMcMahon]

Unlike all the previous T1 signature frames (aside from Rob-O's Progression, which was basically a Standard Trailboss without the stovepipe seatpost), the Ruben frame is not just a modified Barcode; it looks pretty much the same from the side, yes, but the seatstay-seattube junction is completely different from that on a Barcode.

[queensrider86]

what is the difference, it looks the same to me

[CMcMahon]

The seatstay junction-seattube junction isn't a wishbone like on every Barcode ever made, for starters.

[queensrider86]

oh, i thought you meant the way the seatstay and the seattube meet.

[CMcMahon]

That is the way they meet. Unless you're referring to the angle, which is the same.