Living Car Free - motivations

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tfahrner
06-21-05, 04:09 PM
What are your reasons for eschewing cars?
Most people tend to assume that I don't own a car because I want to "save the environment". It follows that I should look favorably upon low-emissions cars like hybrids. It also follows that I am being somewhat inconsistent, naive, or hypocritical in other habits that aren't terribly earth-friendly, such as enjoying long showers. But saving the natural environment isn't my motivation, not the core anyway. And I'm unimpressed by hybrids and cold showers.
Just as a vegetarian who simply doesn't like the taste of meat might conveniently claim that ethical considerations, health, conservation, and thrift are motivators - and those are good reasons - I find that I often cite personally extraneous reasons for biking everywhere I can.
My real reasons are that I love bicycling, and tend to view trips by other means as a missed opportunity. Even when it's dark and rainy. It's like flying, like a bird. I'm not convinced of reincarnation, but if it's so, I think I have a lot of bird history. Also, I have strong sedentary tendencies by temperament, and benefit by some degree of compulsion to keep physically active and emotionally stable. I'm an endorphin addict, and car ownership combined with laziness would conspire to keep me from my fix unless half my trips were to the gym, and that would be just too ironic. I've never had any tolerance for "exercise" or "training". It needs to be built in to my routine.
All by themselves, those reasons would be enough to support my habit, even if cars were free and ran on white magic, and if bicycles ran on puppy blood.
Peoples' behavior influences their thought as much as the other way around. Once you're no longer committed to a certain behavior, you can see it for what it is. Not driving became a political/ethical/environmental issue for me only after ten years of adulthood not doing it. I'm slow. I am increasingly depressed and outraged at the effect of automobile use on built environments and social health: sprawl, noise, the whole idea that most "public" space (roadways) are effectively off limits to children and other people not piloting private motorcages at deadly speed, the culture of fear, road rage, the homogenization and dis-enchantment of places and distances, the cartoonization of architecture and signage to what can be scanned at 35mph+. And national economic security considering where most of our oil comes from, how most of our stores are filled, and how far we are from seriously finding alternatives... it's enough to cry.
Recent favorite reading: http://tinyurl.com/4r8xv ; http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633
Simplebiker
06-21-05, 09:39 PM
I think someone asked a similar question specifically about bicycle commuting. Since my job would pay for my ride public transit ride to work but not for my bicycling costs, in that specific instance my reasons were mostly for health and for fun.
But in general my choice to give up my car was at first an economical decision. I couldn't see spending the money on a machine that is rarely necessary. After that, it's health and fun. And then comes the feel good environmental reasons. The health reasons and the environmental reasons can kinda tie in with the economical reasons. Why would I spend money on a machine that will facilitate my bad health by inactivity and by pollution. So while money is the first reason, when I consider all of those factors, it simply wouldn't be a logical decision for me to own a car.
spider-man
06-21-05, 09:43 PM
I love bikes. I don't like cars or car culture. Can't stand to be in one, in fact.
"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I HATE plants."
--A. Whitney Brown
AverageCommuter
06-21-05, 09:44 PM
At one time, in the 'not distant enough for me' past, I commuted 1.5 hours each way, by car. I grew to hate that trip pretty bad. In my mind that was 15 hours a week wasted. 32 days every year of non-stop driving. Time I could be spending with my girl, now my wife, or on anything other than sitting on my a$$ watching the road roll toward me. I had to stop. So I took a new job, with a 10k per year cut in pay, in the same town that I lived in. That job involved working on cars. I'd watch people come in and blow good money that they didn't have on bad cars that they couldn't afford to replace with anything newer. It got me thinking about how much my car was costing me. Not much by most Americans' standards, but still an awful lot for as little as I used it. But what were my options? One day while I was thinking about it on the way back to work from lunch I got "stuck" behind a kid on a moped. "Great!" I thought, "I'll never get back in time now." But since the roads I was travelling on were all 30mph, that kid didn't slow me up by more than a minute. So I bought an old '78 Motobecane moped from a friend and started riding it to work. I was talking about how great my 120mpg's were and one of my co-workers said "why don't you just ride a bike and not use any gas at all?" You know, he had a good point. I had always LOVED riding a bike when I was a kid/teen and I'd often lamented the purchase of my first car, damned money pits that they are. Started riding and I've never been happier. Besides, I don't like the person I become when I drive, and I love the way I feel when I ride. The environment stuff is just a bonus. There's a lot for me to love about bikes, and not much about cars.
lilHinault
06-22-05, 01:40 AM
Business. It's all business. If I bike everywhere I don't have to spend time in the gym, since I'll be in better shape than the gym's likely to get me anyway. And I'll get the errends done in only slightly more time. If I get rid of the car, that's no more car payments, insurance, etc., and even no more worry about parking, will someone break into it, etc., all those worries that eat at everyone who owns a car. I'll save a lot of money, which will be noticeable and help me toward my financial goals.
And the stuff I read about on Peak Oil sites scares the crap out of me, if it's true, better get rid of the car now.
It makes sense, dollars and sense, for me to go carless.
Working more to earn the extra money needed to fincance owning a car would be like paying someone for the privelage of letting them smack me in the head with a hammer.
Actually, just thinking of answers to this question is painful, because choosing to not have a car is breath-takingly obvious to me. It's like asking someone why they choose not to eat rat poison.
All by themselves, those reasons would be enough to support my habit, even if ... bicycles ran on puppy blood.
THAT is the funniest thing I've read all year!
fallstorm
06-22-05, 07:43 AM
I started living car-free when my car caught on fire the day before I moved up here to go to school. Most of my fellow students had cars, and many were making payments on those cars, explaining how they needed one. I sat down and crunched the numbers:
Less than 2 miles to the university.
Less than 1 mile to my internship site.
About 1 mile to the grocery store and Fred Meyer, which has everything else I need.
My city's main streets are both about 7 miles long and I rarely need to venture to the extremes.
18 credits = 36+ hours a week of study time required.
Car payment = $175-200/month
Car insurance = $175/month+
Gas... (you know the story.)
I promptly went to those that told me I needed a car to get around that they were nuts. If I were to drive, I'd need to get a job and put my studies at risk, which seemed silly to me even at that time. It just sounds ridiculous now!
Since I'm only caring for myself (no dependants, single, no kids), I can haul a day or two's worth of food home on the handlebars if I needed to, but I went and bought a spiffy bike basket. Plus, I soon found that cycling was a great low-impact exercise and a great way to relieve study stress and get some exercise, particularly since I'm now doing 7-10 miles a day in addition to commuting.
P.S. As far as I know, many of the people that I talked to have stopped making their car payments, either by letting their cars get repo'd or selling them and trading-down to a junker. Sad.
recursive
06-22-05, 08:39 AM
It's really not about politics and environmentalism for me. I mean those are nice bonuses too, but those aren't the reason.
I just have no need for a car. I could get one I suppose, but I don't see the point. I would rarely ever use it, and as has been noted, they are expensive like the wolf. No thanks.
I'm addicted to biking anyway. Hard. Like I can't remember the last day I didn't ride, and I intend to take rest days all the time, it just never seems to work out. :)
Cars might be faster on some trips, but when you consider the extra time working to pay for them, plus all the gym time saved, it's actually a huge time saver too. At this point, I think it would craziness for me to own a car. Just as crazy as some people think biking everywhere is.
chocula
06-22-05, 08:54 AM
Disclosure: I am not car free. I'm slowly, but surely, moving in that direction.
Tfahrner, I'm on the same page as you. On a whim, I went to hear a Jim Kunstler lecture and I've since been to two more lectures and read all his (nonfiction) books, including "The Long Emergency." Hearing Kunstler and reading "The Geography of Nowhere" increased my already healthy interest in walkable communities, culminating with a two-year stint as chair of our local pedestrian advocacy group.
About three years ago I made the mistake of calculating how much rent I had paid over a decade of living in my city's very walkable, but highly gentrified urban core. I weighed that against low mortgage interest rates and soon I found myself the owner of 75-year-old bungalow in my city's oldest "automobile suburb." Almost instantly, I was using the car for all sorts of errands I previously accomplished on foot.
Recently, I woke up and realized what I was doing. The turning point for me was discovering a back route into a nearby supermarket that's located at the confluence of two rapidly flowing six-lane asphalt rivers. Suddenly the two-mile bike ride to the supermarket was not only less dangerous, but highly enjoyable. I found myself arriving at home, unloading the bike, and then trying to think of something I'd forgotten so I'd have an excuse to hop the bike and go back.
It was truly an epiphany. While I have had bicycles all my life, suddenly they made sense like never before. In the last several months, I've found myself taking longer and longer rides and discovering safer and more pleasant routes to get around my community and accomplish daily tasks. Now I feel like a chump every time I drive.
Since I mentioned Kunstler's books earlier, I'd like to endorse another title that's really altered the way I think about bikes: John R. Stilgoe's "Outside Lies Magic: Regaining History and Awareness in Everyday Places" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802775632/qid=1119450976/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-3097975-1427141)
It's written from a very bicycle-centric perspective and describes a fascinating world, mostly invisible from behind the wheel of a car, but easily viewed from a bike. I encourage everyone to ride the bookstore or library and pick up a copy.
BenyBen
06-22-05, 09:33 AM
I first started mostly on health motives. I never owned a car, but kinda wanted one, only I couldn't afford it.
I had started commuting on and off b4, then I was diagnosed with EXTREMELY high blood pressure, at only 25 yr old...I got REALLY scared... So I decided to start commuting to work as often as I could. My health is so much better now.
3 years later, I am noticing all those negative impacts that cars have, and the environmental/social damage of cars is up there with health as both #1 reasons I decide to remain car free.
I hate cars and everything they stand for. I'm not against any type of motor-vehicle, I'm just against the use and ownership of personal motor vehicles in urban centres.
A bike and public transit combine to make affordable and convenient transportation for me. The health boost of cycling is an added bonus, and is the social status I admit (you score a lot of "though guy" point by cycling in bad weather!).
A can't stand cars. Its not just the pollution, although that is bad enough. They also, to me, represent the selfish lifestyle of us North Americans. All that metal, fabric, and plastic... all the energy required to make the thing and maintain it... the living space it takes over for parking and driving... all that tied up 24/7/365 for the personal use of one or two people? :eek:
SecretSatellite
06-22-05, 11:46 AM
i admit, its not all about politics for me. i'm in the "working poor" catagory. if i wanted to drive a car that would put unbeleivable strain on my budget. with a bike i can get everywhere i want or need to go. if my bike breaks i can fix it. i stay fit. i like the distinction between "riding" a bike and "driving" a car. anytime i ride my bike its fu*king awesome and so much fun. everyday is fun. and then there are the add ons-i dont pollute, i get to meet my neighbors, i dont contribute to traffic problems, i actually go faster than rush hour traffic, bla bla bla. also, whenever i drive a car i get so angry and start flipping people off left and right. calling a car a cage is a pretty good metaphor.
AverageCommuter
06-22-05, 11:53 AM
I had started commuting on and off b4, then I was diagnosed with EXTREMELY high blood pressure, at only 25 yr old...I got REALLY scared... So I decided to start commuting to work as often as I could. My health is so much better now.
I"m with you on that one. At 32 I had to have heart surgery. I was living the way most in the US do, badly. It was a wake-up call. It may have scared the crap out of me, but in some ways it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Speaking of doctors and hospitals, my wife and I rode our bikes to the hospital, 2 1/2 miles away, for her MRI today and we are going to ride there again this afternoon for her bloodwork (I'm "escorting" her there and back). She lost her job a week ago so money's been a little tight, so thats been a real motivator to NOT put gas in the tank. I haven't driven my car in a week. She is really warming up to the idea of going car-free (she doesn't drive, anyway).
Our car got totalled back in March. It's still driveable but that's just another motivation NOT to drive. I'd rather do without than replace it. These days, driving just totally SUCKS anymore, not fun at all!
BenyBen
06-22-05, 12:54 PM
I"m with you on that one. At 32 I had to have heart surgery. I was living the way most in the US do, badly. It was a wake-up call. It may have scared the crap out of me, but in some ways it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Good for you! I have no doubt in my mind that I would have had complicated heart problems had I continued living life as I did.
Cycling was the positive thing that became a pillar to better health. I continued eating poorly for a while, but the more I biked, the more I got motivated to look at how I eat. Cycling can really turn ppl's lives around.
lilHinault
06-22-05, 04:00 PM
Wow this makes me wonder.... my dad had very high blood pressure, of course he was doing his best to live like a good American, drive everywhere, in a city with a good bus system I think he took the bus 2x (dirty little secret there, I'm not supposed to know he took it at all) and so on, keeping a car kept him poor, and he died at the age of 62, lucky he made it that far.
He was into woodworking and someone had a HUGE hardwood tree either die, or cut down, or something and Dad could get the wood for free but he had to cut it, so he spent a week or two noodling around with a chain saw, getting some exercise for a change. He seemed 10 years younger and was glowing with health, almost not like the same person, after that episode of exercise. But, I guess he went back to his old ways, and never forget, it's unamerican to exercise.
My mom made it to just about the same age, for the same reason - it's unamerican to exercise.
And yet, the older generation of my family all made it into their 80s, I think it's the same thing that's been noticed by obesity researchers, the older folks in the US are less likely to be overweight than the younger folks in their 20s, 30s, and 40s.
One place I've seen that is in the story about that boy scout who was found alive a day or so ago, one photo in the story shows the kid's dad and grandfather, the grandfather looks pretty good, the dad has a pot gut.
I don't really have the focus to drive, nor the enthusiasm.
Koffee
westman2003
06-22-05, 04:17 PM
For me it was mainly economic. If we were to buy a 2nd car between payments, insurance, gas, repairs and parking this car was going to cost 8-10k a year. So I would have to earn 12-16k before tax to pay for it. Riding my bike is like giving myself a huge raise.
I also enjoy the exercise, the fun of biking and how it helps the environment.
lilHinault
06-22-05, 09:50 PM
AAA estimates the average American pays about $8k a year to own a car, that's motivation enough. Keep in mind, just as Westman says, that's after-tax so you have to make more than that to pay for it.
Money, health, convenience, and so I can tell the armchair greens they are hypocrits.
SecretSatellite
06-23-05, 10:23 AM
i've got a sticker on my bike that reads "environmental stickers dont mean shi* on cars"
lilHinault
06-23-05, 11:02 PM
I may, if I'm lucky and my plans all work out, be selling my SUV back to the dealer in a WEEK or so!
Then I go to OSH and pick up a "garden wagon" and use that for my post office runs, and will use my bike for everything else. Whoohoo $700 or so a month NOT going out! Getting to call the ins. co and tell 'em I don't need any more ins., haha I guess if the DMV needs to see me in person to renew my license, I get to bike over, with a big 'ol smug smile of course.
The money saving and the savings in hassle and becoming a strong bike rider will be a huge payoff :-)
i've got a sticker on my bike that reads "environmental stickers dont mean shi* on cars"
I really, really, really like that. Fits my attitude perfectly (note, I am not against essential use of motor vehicles, just the hypocrisy).
AverageCommuter
06-24-05, 03:27 AM
Whoohoo $700 or so a month NOT going out!
Just imagine, you could spend half of that every month on bike gear, be one darned well equiped cyclist, and still save a ton of money!
lilHinault
06-24-05, 07:13 AM
Yeah no kidding!
I'm going to try to be a pretty thrifty biker too though, in fact being really thrifty and not getting a really cheap beater car, or a scooter or something, keeping it strictly bike only, is probably the only way I can rationalize spending the bucks to be in a roadie club which is something I want to do soon.
spacefuzz
06-27-05, 12:36 PM
no noble reason for me. I dont own a car because I cant afford one.
I turned 16 in the Motor City in 1970. I announced that I was not taking driver ed because I believed that cars pollute too much and because we would be running out of petroleum soon anyway. I don't know where I got these ideas, since little was written about the evils of the auto at that time; the thought just came to me.I believe this makes me one of the first anti-car activvists and I have been carfree for about 20 of the last 35 years. So there have been periods when I owned a car--always a compact or subcompact beater that I paid cash for and rarely kept very long before it fell apart. I used public transit a lot in various cities in Michigan, and walked some. Basically, I maintained a very sedentary existence for a carfree person.
In 2001 I had a heart attack at the age of 46. I realized that I had to make some changes in my lifestyle and I did. I started walking for fitness, and soon became obsessed with it. One day I hit on the idea of walking to work in order to have enough time for it, and soon I was a dedicated foot commuter.
About two years later, with no real awareness that bikes could be used as transportation in the USA, I had a third epiphany. I realized that a bicycle would both expand my horizons and increase my fitness. I paid $35 for an old Huffy mountain bike and rode it until it fell apart, about four months later. I then bought a much nicer bike (a Specialized) for only $100 and I have been happy with that so far, although I recently inherited a 1980's Fuji road bike for recreational use up north. I realize that, so far, I have followed my old pattern of buying beaters and using them until they can't be used any more. This fits in with my philosophy of not wasting resources and my need to feel self-sufficient.
PurpleK
06-27-05, 03:38 PM
I sorta fell into my carfree living. I had a car, but my brother wanted to replace his and liked mine, so I offered to sell it to him. I had been sort of mulling the notion of a new car in my head for awhile. So, he bought my car from me. I didn't really know what I wanted, so I decided to ride my bike while I researched which car to purchase. Well, the longer I went without my car, the more I realized i didn't really need one. Decided that money could be better spent on other passions.
My story has some similarity to Roody's. I had significant bike experience in the 1970's and 80's, including commuting and a very nice period when I was a gradute student and just left my car parked in the driveway for two years. But then came kids, serious career involvement, and fine suburban living.
But a few years ago my priorities got rearranged again. The kids moved out after a lot of hair raising teenage trouble. (No, they won't respect you even if you give them cars and drive a late model car yourself.) I lost control of my business in an "offer you can't refuse" takeover. I had my own heart attack at the age of 49. My wife lost a long battle with ovarian cancer. All this was in the space of about two years. What can I say, this sort of stuff happens.
I started to question the way we had lived. We'd always had nice houses, plenty of cars, private schools, sufficiently large TVs, etc. etc. But at the end of the day, I realized that material prosperity is an illusion. Nothing matters except self respect, happiness, and a family's love for one another.
Two of our cars had already been taken care of. Stepdaughter totalled one (simultaneously with my wife having to go to the emergency room in an ambulance with a cancer issue, I saw the wreck as we passed by on the way to the hospital). Mother-in-law totalled another car on her way back from making funeral preparations at the church. So I was already 2/3 carfree even without trying.
I rebuilt my life to be as stress free as possible and with plenty of exercise. I continued working for a year, but I used the bus and walking more and more. The other daughter started complaining that she needed a new car so she could have a job. The Bank of Dad was running a bit low on funds at that point so I just gave her my two year old Corolla. That story goes on with her not actually being able to keep a job and getting into car related trouble, but that's how I became carfree.
Since then, I've seen that the common estimate of the average after-tax expense of car ownership of about $8,000 a year is correct. Not owning a car is a significant source of income for me. It probably makes the difference between needing a job and being able to get by without one for the foreseeable future. Some people would call it early retirement, but I don't, simply because I'm not sure how long I can make it work.
The other advantages of getting around with muscle power also became apparent. The increased exercise made my Type II diabetic symptoms go away entirely (that is, the Dr. took me off diabetic medications entirely). My cardiac output improved significantly, even after the Dr. had predicted it would continue to deteriorate to the point where an implantable defribrillator would be required. Plus, I was feeling vigorous and serene.
Getting back on the wheel was something I did earlier this year. I reached the point where my feet were just not mechanically able to manage the distances I was walking (I mean blisters and bunions & such). Let me tell you, after a long time of no driving and mostly walking, cruising along on a bike feels like flying. The thought I had after my first ride in many years was, "That was only 7 miles? Incredible!".
AverageCommuter
06-27-05, 09:24 PM
When I get home tonight I'm going to kiss my wife a little harder, hold her a little tighter and remember to appreciate what I've got, and what really matters.
The reason I went carfree was for convence, I can get places I need to go faster on my bike then in a cage (er car). I live in the city of Pittsburgh, and the time to drive somewhere is not just the time it takes to go from point A to point B, but there is checking the car (I am a conservative in Pittsburgh, and I had to check my car since I got it vanalized once a week, anything from keying to people pulling the tail pipe off of the car, to spray painting it [usally over the bummper stickers] ) then drive there and then you have to find a place to park your car. On the bike I just hope on the bike (my bike gets locked up and never have I had the bike vanalized) when I get there, I don't even have to find parking most of the time, and if I do have to "park" my bike I can just lock it to a parking meter or something else and there is always something very close to where I want to be, so I don't have the long walk to get to the exact location I want to be.
Other things I liked about going car free, is that it does not seam to take as long on the bike as it does in the car. I know at some times it does take longer on the bike, but I enjoy the trip more on the bike so it seams to go faster then it would have been in a car.
lilHinault
06-28-05, 04:18 PM
Mpop I'm with you, it's amazing, places that seem longish to go to by car seem CLOSER by bike! It's weirding me out! One Home Despot, er, Depot, that I thought was kinda far away, is just a hop skip and a pedal by bike. Going from here to Palo Alto is a bit of a ride on a bike, but it seems longer driving it, it's just annoying by car. Too long. Of course if I want to go there and not pedal, I can always hop the train and that seems REALLY quick.
After a while you forget how long that journey might have taken by motor vehicle. Truly! There are several other factors at play in the time-and-motion scene. There's opening the garage door (well, you might do that for the bike, but I take mine out the front door because it lives inside with me, so there is an action efficiency straight away!), unlocking the car, getting in, getting comfortable, starting it, backing out, closing the garage door, backing down the driveway, waiting for other traffic before getting out on the street, stopping, changing gear and finally going forward...
... then at the trip end, finding the parking spot (worse if you have to line up behind others at a toll boom or whatever, and spiralling around a multi-storey carpark looking for that space), getting all your gear together (probably scattered on the floor and down beside the passenger seat, getting out, closing and locking the door, walking 5-10 minutes to work OR stopping off on the way to get a poor excuse for a coffee to calm the nerves (jangled even more by waiting in line again).
That's not to speak of all the red lights and chaos on the highway, and the real possibility of a hold-up because of a broken vehicle or crash somewhere up the line.
Now, I am also realistic enough to know that on my commute, someone *is* likely to beat me to my workplace from my home if they use a motor vehicle. And smugly so. But I don't have to go to the gym after work, nor pay all that money for the privilege of beating someone to a place by five or 10 minutes.
In fact, more often than not, I arrived at an appointment by bike *before* the nominated hour, and before the other person coming by car! People always seem to be so time-stressed. I wonder why they can't get out of bed earlier!!!
Get out of bed early, that is just evil, I live a 10 minute walk, 5 minute bike ride from the office I work at, I get up 1 hour before I have to be in, ahhhhhhhhhhh I can sleep in and still be to work before I have to be :-D . I feel sorry for suckers that have to leave over an hour before they have to be at work, they have to get up at 7am, not me, I can get up at 8, and if I over sleep (lets say till 8:45) a quick 5 minute shower, put on some cloths fast grab my stuff and be out the door on the bike and still to work on time.
natelutkjohn
06-29-05, 09:03 AM
Get out of bed early, that is just evil, I live a 10 minute walk, 5 minute bike ride from the office I work at, I get up 1 hour before I have to be in, ahhhhhhhhhhh I can sleep in and still be to work before I have to be :-D . I feel sorry for suckers that have to leave over an hour before they have to be at work, they have to get up at 7am, not me, I can get up at 8, and if I over sleep (lets say till 8:45) a quick 5 minute shower, put on some cloths fast grab my stuff and be out the door on the bike and still to work on time.
Lucky SOB, I have to be up at 4:20am and still only have 45 minutes to get ready so I can get to work on time by bicycle, but I don't mind, not much traffic in the morning for me.
grapetonix
07-21-05, 12:09 PM
I have 13 km's to my college. Through town. And, it turns out the distance is FASTER to kill off by bike, than to go to the subway station and use it (provided there is little or no snow on the ground). And going there by subway goes faster than by car.
No extreme or vigorous sweat-accumulative pedalling here, just normal pace on a cheap aluminium MTB, roadslick tyres.
So by riding a bike I get these benefits:
-26 km's of good exercise each day
-Mental stimulation during the entire trip (contrast to using the subway, where the best enjoyment you can get is reading about the horrors of the world in newspapers)
-My campus area is so obscenely large, that I gain a lot by biking to different places in it while there
-There are possibly more benefits....
... but also a few cons
-Could be frustrating to get a flat mid-trip (just bought kevlar steel radials which are supposed to prevent punctures though)
-I probably want to take the subway during the most extreme and snowy of the winter
-Risk of getting the bike stolen or sabotaged (my campus is pretty well trafficked and I have a good lock so I guess the risk is minor though)
-greater risk of getting injured than using a train (provided the train is not attacked by terrorists, which doesn't at all seem that remote by now with it having happened to London and all...)
But commuting isn't the only way in which bikes seem to bear advantage. When deciding to meet up with my friends, be it anywhere in or slightly outside town, I am almost always there before them. Biking goes FAST if you know your way and have a decent bike infrastructure to access!
lilHinault
07-22-05, 01:37 AM
My bikes live inside with me too, and I took a piece of carpet runner and have that down on the carpet, as a surface the bikes are parked on, right inside the door. It's my bike-garage.
Well, cause I ride for a living, once I started doing that having a car seemed pretty pointless.
Alekhine
07-22-05, 07:18 AM
I crashed my car after falling asleep at the wheel one night after work in 2001. I was tired getting into the car, but I never just pulled over and slept it off. I figured I didn't deserve to drive after that since I could have killed someone "by accident," and so I quit forever.
Otherwise, the good reasons just keep multiplying:
-I don't support some of the most corrupt rackets in this country.
-It's healthy.
-It's fun.
-It's cheaper.
-It's environmentally friendly.
-It's easy to maintain one's own machine.
recursive
07-22-05, 10:44 AM
I crashed my car after falling asleep at the wheel one night after work in 2001. I was tired getting into the car, but I never just pulled over and slept it off. I figured I didn't deserve to drive after that since I could have killed someone "by accident," and so I quit forever.
Wow. You actually took personal responsibility for your actions, motivated only by your self. I rarely ever hear of people doing that. You get 10 good stars.
karmical
07-22-05, 10:57 AM
I crashed my car after falling asleep at the wheel one night after work in 2001. I was tired getting into the car, but I never just pulled over and slept it off. I figured I didn't deserve to drive after that since I could have killed someone "by accident," and so I quit forever.
unknown to me at the time....but when i quit the sheriffs' department i was suffering from post traumatic stress disorder big time....i lived a very distructive lifestyle, drinking & partying sobbering up long enough to try and make a living, but for the most part wasted 24/7, trying to deal with some serious issues within myself...instead of seeking professional help....
after coming home late one night the next day i discovered i had parked my motorcycle by laying it down on the lawn....right then i decided either i had to quit partying or driving on a daily basis...so i chose to stop driving....
7 or so later i don't even have a license nor a desire really to have one...
7stitches
07-25-05, 08:49 PM
My reason for going carless wasn't a choice at first. It happened because I like to speed and got too many speeding tickets. Well, I didn't pay one of them off and the State of Michigan decided I no longer was to have a license. They suspended it for six months. What a wake up call! Anyway, over time I realized how unnecessary a car was. It surprised and elated me. I have been happily car free for 5 years now :D and have no intention of going back. My family does not understand, and thinks I have bought a one way ticket on the nutty train to Crazytown. They work for the Big Three. Here in Michigan it's practically a sin not to own at least two cars!
My reason for going carless wasn't a choice at first. It happened because I like to speed and got too many speeding tickets. Well, I didn't pay one of them off and the State of Michigan decided I no longer was to have a license. They suspended it for six months. What a wake up call! Anyway, over time I realized how unnecessary a car was. It surprised and elated me. I have been happily car free for 5 years now :D and have no intention of going back. My family does not understand, and thinks I have bought a one way ticket on the nutty train to Crazytown. They work for the Big Three. Here in Michigan it's practically a sin not to own at least two cars!Actually there are a few of us here from the Auto State. We are oddities in Michigan though, aren't we? Of course carbuilding is a smaller segment of the economy than it used to be, but it's still pretty big. I keep wishing that someone would transform one of the abandoned auto plants into a bicycle plant.
chocula
07-26-05, 09:20 PM
I keep wishing that someone would transform one of the abandoned auto plants into a bicycle plant.
Too bad these things (http://cadillacbicycles.com/) aren't manufactured in an abandoned auto plant.
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