Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - The Forum's Greatest Day: June 28, 2005

Could it be?


Mayo's thread
Anti-anti-French bashing
Red Phils + non-machined Deep Vs at Yojimbo's
Karsten
Trade Parts thread
Boston CL rant


Anything else?

Edit: new list items

****. someone fix my subject thread topic typo.

The Boston craigslist posting was pretty good too.


http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/bos/70245362.html

the boston craigslist posting was HIL-arious. Esp. b/c it's all the same stuff on the NYC westside bike path.

The CL post was great - I think it's relevant to any trail/path. I took the lakefront path here in Chicago last night (and I always tell myself never to do it) but I wasn't up to dealing with rush hour traffic right downtown and the path's quicker for where I needed to be but goddamn, that post echoed every single sentiment I had last night.

This one kid stepped out in front of me, all of 2 years old. Her 5 year old brother had to go get her. I could see her so it wasn't a close call or anything but the parents didn't even give a rats arse. That pissed me off. They don't deserve to be parents. Watch your kids!

you know it's a good day on the forum when it's the end of the day and you haven't done any work.... and you think it's 10 days earlier than it really is. ;)

You read my mind - I haven't gotten anything done today since I have been BF distracted.

Same here but blame it on a cable model outage and when electricity was shut off twice in two hours as ComEd was working on something. Threw my entire morning and early afternoon off. So what did I do? Go ride for a bit. And then come back here and post, post, post!

The CL post was great but left out 2 things that I used to encounter on Seattle's Green Lake MU path

-- dog owners walking along the path with those long retractable leashes, the dog no the opposite path, the thin cord from the leash stretched across the path like a bad vaudeville act

-- (this only happened once) a young (4-6yo) person veering along the path toward me on her bicycle, sobbing dramatically, no parent in sight.

I wish it was June 18. I'd have ten more days to do the things that are due today. Whoo!

Where's the anti-anti-french bashing?

Man you guys have been busy today! I've been out walking or on my bike (and pitching in at a buddy's bike shop this afternoon while he takes a mental health day), so I just got home and caught up on everything...

Wow that Mayo got everyone fired up...AGAIN!.

But that Minuteman Rant on CL...Man that was great! That's my vote :)

The CL post was great - I think it's relevant to any trail/path. I took the lakefront path here in Chicago last night (and I always tell myself never to do it) but goddamn, that post echoed every single sentiment I had last night.

Ditto. That one had me dying. I just read it today.

I rode the lakefront path 2 Sundays ago coming back from the Fulton St. Market and I had run-ins with almost all those bastards. Except for the little ƒucker with the bb gun that is.

After that ride I had little to no hope for humanity.

You read my mind - I haven't gotten anything done today since I have been BF distracted.

Ditto.

Wow, I'm famous.

you know it's a good day on the forum when it's the end of the day and you haven't done any work.... and you think it's 10 days earlier than it really is. ;)

haha!

somehow I actually managed to get quite a lot of freelance work done today. didn't do squat for my regular job, but still.

and to end the day on a high note, I went out and picked up some rogue smoke ale.

good day!

and this retort (consult webster's kiddos, you know who you are) should be added to the list

http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=1307699&postcount=89

oh man, the westside path in NYC! it's rough because i live at 200th st, a block away from where the path starts, and sometimes i just don't feel like hittin broadway all the way down so i take the path... on a good day it's nice and i can get down from 200th to battery park in about 40 minutes... on weekends, forget it.

unique to the westside path: weeks from about 170th-135th it basically turns into a dominican/puerto rican block party complete with vendors. barbeque smoke in my eyes!

The Forums greatest day had to be when the ULock story broke. Now that was something.

Can't wait to tell the guys at work about that one.

Laughing my arse off.

I sure had fun.

Now get out and start training for the century. I want to take over the streets.

I love you all.

The CL post was great but left out 2 things that I used to encounter on Seattle's Green Lake MU path

-- dog owners walking along the path with those long retractable leashes, the dog no the opposite path, the thin cord from the leash stretched across the path like a bad vaudeville act

-- (this only happened once) a young (4-6yo) person veering along the path toward me on her bicycle, sobbing dramatically, no parent in sight.

I wish it was June 18. I'd have ten more days to do the things that are due today. Whoo!

Where's the anti-anti-french bashing?
the anti-anti-french bashing is in the paris track cycling thread

and
along the lines of your 4-6yo
i've had a recent rash of family cycling outings (good thing) where the 8-12 yr old son (always the little boys) is doing his damndest to go faster than the rest of the family. To be sure he's going fastest, hes got his head completely turned around (bad). Meanwhile his family is yelling at him to turn around as i approach fast as i can. Eventually, I get run off the road by a goddamned 10 yearold!!!
i guess i just dont have the heart to kill a child... it'd really save that kid a lot of trouble in 6 years when the kid runs a red light while looking back at his buddy after a drag race and kills that new family of cyclists

the anti-anti-french bashing is in the paris track cycling thread

and
along the lines of your 4-6yo
i've had a recent rash of family cycling outings (good thing) where the 8-12 yr old son (always the little boys) is doing his damndest to go faster than the rest of the family. To be sure he's going fastest, hes got his head completely turned around (bad). Meanwhile his family is yelling at him to turn around as i approach fast as i can. Eventually, I get run off the road by a goddamned 10 yearold!!!
i guess i just dont have the heart to kill a child... it'd really save that kid a lot of trouble in 6 years when the kid runs a red light while looking back at his buddy after a drag race and kills that new family of cyclists

yeah. that's definitely what's going to happen chuck sheen. Maybe you shouldn't go "as fast as you can" down a bike path. maybe you could just smile and be happy the kid is on a bike and enjoying himself. After all, he just wants to be you, blazing down that path as fast as he can for the world to see. ***hole.

yeah. that's definitely what's going to happen chuck sheen. Maybe you shouldn't go "as fast as you can" down a bike path. maybe you could just smile and be happy the kid is on a bike and enjoying himself. After all, he just wants to be you, blazing down that path as fast as he can for the world to see. ***hole.

wow, thats some venom.... you don't even know how fast that is.... i could have stopped (though i did, just in the grass) but OH RIGHT! Stopping on the path would have gotten me hit!

here's a little experiment for you. Have your buddy ride blindfolded right at you and see if it matters how fast youre going

when your done, reread the post and realize that my behavior was not a problem in any way. a bike path is two ways. Families riding 4 across with a child swerving aimlessly (and blindly) is NOT appropriate. Get you &hit straight


*Edit* also mayo's post being trashed was a high point (funny-wise) of my day

wow, thats some venom.... you don't even know how fast that is.... i could have stopped (though i did, just in the grass) but OH RIGHT! Stopping on the path would have gotten me hit!

is that before or after you say "as i approached as fast as i can"


here's a little experiment for you. Have your buddy ride blindfolded right at you and see if it matters how fast youre going


can I be stopped in the grass at the side, and can my buddy be a 10 year old who weighs maybe 60 pounds?


when your done, reread the post and realize that my behavior was not a problem in any way. a bike path is two ways. Families riding 4 across with a child swerving aimlessly (and blindly) is NOT appropriate. Get you &hit straight

first, you meant "you're"

second, weren't the parents trying to stop him? and it wasn't your behavior that was a problem, it was your need for attitude about a 10 year old just out for a good time, your statement that you didn't have the stomach to kill him, and your automatic assumption that he's gonna kill someone in a car. He's a kid, kids are reckless from time to time, and their moms and dads yell at them. You remember that; it was what, last week for you? Isn't mom yelling at you now?

is that before or after you say "as i approached as fast as i can"



can I be stopped in the grass at the side, and can my buddy be a 10 year old who weighs maybe 60 pounds?



first, you meant "you're"

second, weren't the parents trying to stop him? and it wasn't your behavior that was a problem, it was your need for attitude about a 10 year old just out for a good time, your statement that you didn't have the stomach to kill him, and your automatic assumption that he's gonna kill someone in a car. He's a kid, kids are reckless from time to time, and their moms and dads yell at them. You remember that; it was what, last week for you? Isn't mom yelling at you now?

The fact is, I ride that path to avoid cars during rush hour and to gain access to the closed road on weekends (not a path, but the path is on the way). Its a two way path. I yield to all in front, and those passing me. I have the right to be ticked at someone not paying attention and thereby endangering himself and me. If a kid pulls a gun and fires i guess it would matter to you that his parents told him to stop first. Sound like an exaggeration? yeah of course it is, but so was my thought about plowing through him. I didn't harm him (didn't come close and for that matter, didn't think about it). If you're going to sit around here and take every passing thought/phrase as an emphatic manical urge perhaps you should pull that sequoia out of your a**. It has got to be way too hard sitting in your saddle with that thing up there.

when you'RE done proofreading my post (i guess someone's gotta do it) why don't you baste my turkey professor plum.

maybe you could just smile and be happy the kid is on a bike and enjoying himself. After all, he just wants to be you, blazing down that path as fast as he can for the world to see. ***hole.

Awesome. :D

A multi-use trail is just that. Wanna get your spin on, hit the streets.

ok so you're either both older than i or both younger. In either case, why didn't they teach reading comprehension in that era?

The point was that i was run off the road by a kid with his head on backwards (meaning he was facing the wrong way). My speed was incidental and irrelevant to the issue. I could have been trakstanding and I still would have had to get out of the way. Some people are really quick to jump all over others.

Right of way doesn't apply on a MUP/MUT any more than it does on a sidewalk (except in the "cyclists must always yield" sort of way). It's a recreational facility that mixes a broad range of traffic types including those who are too young or too canine (though I do think those people who let their dogs wander all over the paths are irresponsible and inconsiderate *******s) to be cognizant of the rules of the road.

By riding on such a facility, you are implicitly accepting those constraints.

Right of way doesn't apply on a MUP/MUT any more than it does on a sidewalk (except in the "cyclists must always yield" sort of way). It's a recreational facility that mixes a broad range of traffic types including those who are too young or too canine (though I do think those people who let their dogs wander all over the paths are irresponsible and inconsiderate *******s) to be cognizant of the rules of the road.

By riding on such a facility, you are implicitly accepting those constraints.

and the fact that the kid was on a bike and behaving like on of those dogs by wandering all over the path is the issue. there was no way to go around without leaving the path; it was not practical to stop much earlier than i did. AND i don't care what your feelings are, you have to leave somewhere to pass. In any case, why am i the only one getting flamed for this when i can't even begin to count the number of posts about people hogging a path and leaving no room for a pass(once again, i don't have a problem with slowing down, but i do want to be able to get by). moreover, whats worse than blocking the whole path? blindly swerving across it into oncoming traffic. Even if it was his right of way (and the only way thats the case is if the rule is that i could see him, he couldn't see me so he has right of way), if i had stopped in the path, he would have hit me (stopping would certainly have to give me the right of way). So once again, go ahead and flame me for the perceived attitude (ps didnt say a word to the kid) i have towards someone who ran me off the road.

bottomline: I got ran off a path by someone looking the wrong way. Forget that it was a kid for a moment and forget what my speed was (it was next to nothing by the time i pulled even with him). I have a right to be ticked.

i realize promoting cycling amongst the young is important yada yada but just as important is responsible cycling and safe cycling

one final note about all you pseudo bike cops out there. Put away the radar guns and start paying attention to control and how the rider affects those around him/her. Getting run off the road by oncoming traffic while in the right lane, not my fault.

Forget that it was a kid for a moment and forget what my speed was (it was next to nothing by the time i pulled even with him).

See, I can't because those things are pretty relevant.

Maybe if it were Mayo's tri-geek I'd feel different, but it wasn't.

A MUP isn't a transportational facility. It's a part of a park that happens to be paved. I don't expect anything other than random kids running all over the place in a park. If I have a problem with that, I don't go to the park.

It's not your fault that you got run off the road, but getting all bent out of shape because traffic on a recreational path doesn't behave in an orderly fashion is where I think you're making a mistake.

Oh, and if you think you're getting flamed, you don't know the meaning of the word. We're just saying maybe you need to check yourself and take it down a notch because this junk ain't that serious.

Forget that it was a kid for a moment and forget what my speed was (it was next to nothing by the time i pulled even with him). I have a right to be ticked.


"forget the facts and all of the logic and agree with me" -- can't argue with that.

psuedo bike cop? radar gun? Nah. A bike cop would just chide you for going too fast on the path. I'm liable to run you off it if i think you're a danger to others. i wouldn't want to see you end up like this guy (another forum member who was out for his afternoon workout on a bike path through a park)


On the way way home from the shorter intensity ride that night, we decided to do a little lead-out work. Kevin took a hard pull for a while and as we got to the Park of Roses it was turn for mine. I chose a long, straight clear stretch of path and took off. We were doing well over 30 mph when the first thought of trouble crept into the picture. Three adult pedestrians merged onto the trail directly in front of us. The were completely oblivious to our presence. For some reason, even though they were the lone walkers on the trail, they took it upon themselves to stretch out side to side, filling the entire trail, one next to the other, shoulder to shoulder.

As I approached, I let out my first yell. I screamed an "On your left," and looked for reply. Nothing. Then I did it again, this time closer. The man on the far left turned around, saw me coming, and then continued his walk, as if I wasn't there. My third scream, followed by my frantic breaking as I realized these adults might not have the common sense to know to get out of cyclings screaming for the right of way, was too little too late. The man looked up, made eye contact and then to my absolute horror walked even more directly into my path, an emergency route off the left of the path I was taking to avoid him.

I struck him with full-force in the leg, sending me over my handlebars and onto the pavement. Kevin then ran me over. I didn't have my helmet on, which I usually don't on the bike path, and that turned a bad fall into something quite more. I ended up breaking my skull in two places and tearing a good section of my brain that just missed requiring surgery. I was in the hospital for eight days before being released, and it looks as if my recovery will be of the weeks or months variety and not the "couple rest days," I was hoping for.

Why don't you just start a blog Mayo? I know I'd read it...

Why don't you just start a blog Mayo? I know I'd read it...

Second

I was really looking forward to reading that 'deleted' thread as I returned to 'work' this morning.

damnit. So what the hell happened to Mayo's thread? That thread was the centerpiece to my claim (this thread). Someone chime in....with details.

And take your multi-use trail talk elsewhere. This thread is about greatness.

Mayonnaise's thread was deleted, obviously.

We received some complaints about the homophobic nature of the thread. I reviewed it and deleted it.

We do have forum guidelines. Clearly, under the Vulgarity section, Joe states that homophobic language is not acceptable on the forums. That means threads containing this content will be deleted.

Unfortunately, the thread was online for some time yesterday before we became aware of it... or at least some moderators became aware of it. This will not happen again. Clearly, there is a need for more timely moderation.

Because of the problems we've been having over the last 24 hours, it's a bit obvious that the moderators need a discussion on where we'll be going as far as this incident, as well as other incidents that arose from this deletion, which is what we're doing right now.

When we have more information as to what our actions will be, we'll alert you guys. Of course, some actions may not be privvy to discussion, as it may involve disciplinary action, and that is the business of the member, not fodder for the general forums (which is why PMs are created).

I ask for your patience while we figure this out. We'll get back to people when we have some concrete answers.

Koffee Brown

Forum Moderator

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Big fan of the semi-homoerotic gay bashing. Metro-messengers? Who would have guessed.

Big fan of the semi-homoerotic gay bashing. Metro-messengers? Who would have guessed.

Aren't road bike conversions for metro-messengers?

Also, the trade with us thread was deleted. Don't know if anyone noticed that one either.

Also, the trade with us thread was deleted. Don't know if anyone noticed that one either.

I think that was bound to happen as people kept on saying they wanted to "trade" their stuff for money.

m.

I think that was bound to happen as people kept on saying they wanted to "trade" their stuff for money.

m.


Yes, you got it. Just contribute and post on the Buy/Sell forum here.

While I didn't take offense to Mayo's post, I understand why it was deleted. There are rules about what can and cannot be said on the forums. If you don't like it, go make your own website with your own rules. I can also relate to the knee-jerk reaction you're having about censorship, but some things really just aren't appropriate.

And while some of you may think the lefty, liberal, vegan fixie punks out here in forum-land are overreacting when they decry the use of derogatory homosexual terms, well, they're not. If Mayo's post started out with something along the lines of, "So I came up on the wheel of this n****r and I decided it was time for a lynching," or "It was then and there that I decided to shove the dirty Jew in the oven" would you still have the same feelings? Homosexuals are a minority group that are constantly battling discrimination. The language in Mayo's post came down to a simple equation: homosexuality = weakness. Homosexuality is something that needs and deserved to be beaten/conquered/humiliated/etc. That was the general idea, that was the trope he was using to recreate the feeling of his spontaneous bike race escapade. Whether or not he is gay is irrelevant.

But, with that said, as I started off the post saying, I enjoyed the thread. I didn't take offense at the language. I don't think any malice was meant by it. But I'm not sure if Mayo deconstructed what was implicitly coded in his post. Which was a damn funny post. But in the end, sort of a sad one.

If we didn't live in a country and world where, to cite one case, gay men get tied with rope to the back of a pickup truck and dragged around until the point of death, only then to be hung up on a post to die... well then maybe I wouldn't have a problem with the post remaining in this public forum. But the sad fact is that we do live in that in that world. That language only reinforce the hate.

Speak freely, but think before you speak. Unless you're drunk. Then say whatever you like, but regret it tomorrow.

J

I hate to pile on because I think it's a mean-spirited thing to do and often doesn't get you very far. On the other hand, since he's stuck out his neck to say some things that needed to be said, I'll say that I think he makes some good points in his characteristically angry way.

Edit: hey, wow. Look at that, all those messages just edited out of existence. I expect the same will happen to this one.

haha. this happens every few months. someone had too much coffee.

edit: and put on too much ban deodorant. Karsten and Mayo will be missed.

Edit: hey, wow. Look at that, all those messages just edited out of existence. I expect the same will happen to this one.

yeah, i thought i had posted in this thread earlier today. funny.

Edit: hey, wow. Look at that, all those messages just edited out of existence. I expect the same will happen to this one.

It's like magic, but more depressing!

those posts in this thread that were deleted were completely benign.

That is a joke that they were deleted. Definately a personal battle fought rather than actual rules/regs broken and action taken.

This thread was up to 3 pages just an hour ago.

Did Karsten and Mayo quit/get banned?

i don't like the "new world order."
i liked the old way better.
where we could say/do mean things and get yelled at by other forumites, instead of banned.

Yes, you got it. Just contribute and post on the Buy/Sell forum here.

I know the trade thread turned into a bit of a 'sell' thread, since people kept wanting to 'trade' money for stuff, and thats why it was closed (I cringed when I saw people turning it into a 'stuff for sale' thread). But is it ok to arrange actual trades here? Or does a cog for a brake lever still count as a 'sale', as far as the mods are concerned?

peace,
sam

I know the trade thread turned into a bit of a 'sell' thread, since people kept wanting to 'trade' money for stuff, and thats why it was closed (I cringed when I saw people turning it into a 'stuff for sale' thread). But is it ok to arrange actual trades here? Or does a cog for a brake lever still count as a 'sale', as far as the mods are concerned?

peace,
sam

I emailed a mod a while ago about whether or not it was cool to start a trade thread (this was before the actual trade thread had started), and the response I got was, essentially, "I'm not sure, I'll look into it," but I never heard back. So I guess I really have no real answer to your question.

m.

The guy on Boston CL is right about the Roller Bladers and Joggers. But the guys on Downhills will not be on there. Thats a bold faced lie!

There's always some dude on a downhill bike with inches and inches of suspension that he'll never use riding around on a bike path in any city at any given time. I know i see it in NY all the time.

Just joined this forum last week, although I've been on the Fixed gear email list for years.

The link to the CL bike path was worth it!

Karstens, why didn't you tell me about this earlier?