View Full Version : RAAM rider doused with gasoline by passing motorists
Bike nut
07-01-05, 07:44 AM
Can you believe this crap!!
Valentin Zeller of Austria crossed the line after a ride, the low point of which was almost certainly being dowsed with gasoline by passing motorist near Camdenton, Missouri
http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/files/raam2005/2005_daily/dailyreport063005.htm
timmhaan
07-01-05, 07:51 AM
why?? why would anyone do that? it's sick, like kicking a puppy kind of sick. those kind of people are lesser humans than the rest of us.
Anyone hear if legal action was involved?
If I were them, I'd call the cops and report it as attempted murder and say the driver/passengers had a lighter waiting.
They want to mess around, you can mess around too when you decide to bring the charges on.
2manybikes
07-01-05, 12:46 PM
If I were them, I'd call the cops and report it as attempted murder and say the driver/passengers had a lighter waiting.
They want to mess around, you can mess around too when you decide to bring the charges on.
I'm thinking that even without the lighter It could be fatal, just from the fact that you may ingest a lot of it. Metal to metal on a bike somewhere could make a spark too.
phinney
07-01-05, 01:03 PM
How do you douse somebody with gas from a car while they're on a bike? Do you have a pail full of gas in the back of a pickup and someone back there to dump it on them? Were they carrying gas in the passenger compartment in a coke cup? Seems like it would have to be very premeditated.
timmhaan
07-01-05, 01:25 PM
well, when my dad and i would go camping, we'd often have a canister of fuel in the back. whether it was used for motorcycles or the boat motor we would seldom be without it. people in rural areas often have a need to carry seperate gasoline too. it could be for a lawn mower, gas generator, chainsaw, etc...
phinney
07-01-05, 01:41 PM
But it won't come out of a gas can fast enough for a good dousing. I'd think it'd take at least a giant sized soda cup and a very good aim.
timmhaan
07-01-05, 01:49 PM
nah, i think this would do. the article give no details, so we don't know how much gas actually got on her. but i'm confident that i could lean out of a window and soak someone with a simple container like this:
http://www.punchstock.com/image/comstock/4550022/large/ks2791.jpg
Well, that's assult with a deadly weapon, which is a federal crime (I believe). I'd get them with some prison time.... that's just sick.
Koffee
Can you believe this crap!!
Valentin Zeller of Austria crossed the line after a ride, the low point of which was almost certainly being dowsed with gasoline by passing motorist near Camdenton, Missouri
http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/files/raam2005/2005_daily/dailyreport063005.htm
That should give him fond memories of this country. :mad: :( :eek: :o
phinney
07-01-05, 04:39 PM
I don't know. I'm having a hard time picturing this. A couple of yahoo's driving down the road, see a bike up ahead, come up with the idea of dumping gas on a cyclist, and have time to get the gas can, uncork it or transfer the gas into a container suitable for dousing, and accurately use it? Not many seconds from the time you would identify a bike before they would be overtaken. Who carries gas in the passenger compartment?
I'm trying to think of some other fluid that could be mistaken for gasoline that would be more likely. Either that or they were planning on dumping gas on a bike and were out looking. And then why gas unless they were planning on lighting them up?
lilHinault
07-01-05, 08:16 PM
There was a hit on a cop in L.A. a while back, two bike riders rode by the cop car, one dumped in gas, next one threw in match. Pretty good ploy, my understand is it worked, and I wonder if the car drivers were, fortunately, unable to do the 2nd, fire-starting part.
Folks, as Peak Oil plays out, we can expect the car-supremacists to get pretty crazy.
Roughstuff
07-01-05, 08:16 PM
I don't know. I'm having a hard time picturing this. A couple of yahoo's driving down the road, see a bike up ahead, come up with the idea of dumping gas on a cyclist, and have time to get the gas can, uncork it or transfer the gas into a container suitable for dousing, and accurately use it? Not many seconds from the time you would identify a bike before they would be overtaken. Who carries gas in the passenger compartment?
I'm trying to think of some other fluid that could be mistaken for gasoline that would be more likely. Either that or they were planning on dumping gas on a bike and were out looking. And then why gas unless they were planning on lighting them up?
Well, yes, but maybe they went by the bicyclist, doubled back after a U-turn or down some other parallel road, and then did the dastardly deed. Or maybe seeing other riders (it was race, right?) gave them the idea and he was the one in the wrong place in the wrong time.
roughstuff
skinnyone
07-01-05, 08:29 PM
cagein mofos
TCNJCyclist
07-01-05, 08:53 PM
I'm thinking that even without the lighter It could be fatal, just from the fact that you may ingest a lot of it. Metal to metal on a bike somewhere could make a spark too.
Would the friction between brakes and tires be enough to cause any problems?
UCSDbikeAnarchy
07-01-05, 09:32 PM
In a local race out in the country, some "locals" passed the peleton and threated to smash into them on the next lap. The CHP was called and then guys got a talking to.
Its likely that the "locals" knew RAAM was comming throuhg their town and thouhg it would be a funny prank.
throwing liquids out of cars at high speeds is pretty challenging, although it could be done.
Roughstuff
07-01-05, 09:40 PM
throwing liquids out of cars at high speeds is pretty challenging, although it could be done.
Yes, to be honest that is correct. Muchthe same can be said for rocks, even those thrown by people on the side of the road. I had numerous rock throwing incidents on my world tour, and got hit exactly once; from behind, with little overall effect.
roughstuff
cyclezealot
07-01-05, 11:08 PM
and I was mad over just a coke can.
operator
07-02-05, 05:18 AM
Hell you don't even need to ingest it, just having it absorbed through the skin is bad enough.
Folks, as Peak Oil plays out, we can expect the car-supremacists to get pretty crazy.
Before or after Y2K?
lilHinault
07-02-05, 10:37 AM
dobber whew, thanks!! You saved me from a real misunderstanding there! Peak Oil's not a problem, I was all wrong. Oil's gonna be around forever, in neverending quantities.
catatonic
07-02-05, 01:43 PM
I remeber some effing kids who used to pull this crap, they used super soakers, filled them up, broke the nozzles so it blew the entire tank at once, and fired.
However the "effing kids" were using bleach...i do recall all of them getting Jr lockup until 18.
As for these guys, that's assault for sure. How far I dunno....but gasoline I would call it attempted murder....that's just BS.
...it's even more dangerous as gasoline absorbs moisture, thus accelerating dehydration, also the petroleum distillates in it can poison a person through excessive contact. These guys deserve something severe.
Now if they wanted to be helpful, throw a few gel packs at em! at least something useful...sheesh....I know a few wekend rides I wish someone would hurl an unopened bottle of water or a gel pack at me...
dobber whew, thanks!! You saved me from a real misunderstanding there! Peak Oil's not a problem, I was all wrong. Oil's gonna be around forever, in neverending quantities.
Life isn't a FX movie special, silly wabbit.
Before or after Y2K?
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Well, that's assult with a deadly weapon, which is a federal crime (I believe). I'd get them with some prison time.... that's just sick.
Koffee
What makes it a Federal crime?
In a local race out in the country, some "locals" passed the peleton and threated to smash into them on the next lap. The CHP was called and then guys got a talking to.
Its likely that the "locals" knew RAAM was comming throuhg their town and thouhg it would be a funny prank.
throwing liquids out of cars at high speeds is pretty challenging, although it could be done.
I doubt it. It was probably a crime of opportunity. In "Missourah", as they say in the countryside, there are some hard feelings between country folk and city folk. I can't place Camdenton, but if it is like every other small town in rural Missour-ah, they don't take much to city slickers. I've ridden the length of the Katy Trail (St Charles to Sedalia) several times, the largest rail to trail conversion in the US, and there are signs all along saying "No Trespassin" and "Private Property: STAY OUT". The property owners gave quite a legal fight to try to get that land after the railroad closed down. Several times, I was alone at a rest stop and got some uneasy feelings about pickups parked along the trail with guys drinking beers after work. One time, the trail was washed out and fortunately, we got a ride from a park ranger who insisted on giving us a ride rather than us take the country roads around the washout. This is all a terrible stereotype but unfortunately often true. This incident doesn't surprise me at all, even though it disgusts me.
chemcycle
07-05-05, 04:48 PM
Folks, as Peak Oil plays out, we can expect the car-supremacists to get pretty crazy.
I just got a message for you from planet Xorcon........
sestivers
07-05-05, 05:13 PM
Would the friction between brakes and tires be enough to cause any problems?
Not really. The comment about the metal-on-metal causing a spark is at best a remote possibility also. It takes specific metals to make a spark (not aluminum and stainless steel).
It's still really gross though. It takes forever to get the gasoline smell off of yourself.
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