Conservative think tank exec arrested for assault on cyclist

[kritter]

why was she riding on the sidewalk? If she wasnt riding on the sidewalk he wouldnt be in her way. She probably had a pompous attitude about him blocking the way and he just blew an o-ring and got angry...if she was on the road she wouldnt have been blocked in...she should be ticketed for riding on the side walk...he should have to go to anger managment training and that should be the end of it.

[CRUM]

I don't think it has anything to do with conservatism or liberalism. But I think it has a lot to do with the stress almost everyone seems to be under. When I was growing up, people lived in neighborhoods. Life was slower and everybody was careful to be nice because someone you were dealing with probably lived in your neighborhood and word would get around if you did something. But life being slower also made a big difference. Now, so many husbands and wives are working 45 hour work weeks few have time to be decent. Almost everyone is stressssssssssed out!

Using Stress as an excuse for bad behavior is a cop out. There is no excuse for bad behavior. Our society has determined that being rude and self centered are not the negatives traits they once were. But you are right. This type of behavior is not politically based.

[wannaride]

This guy is no asset to any organization regardless of their political outlook. He should be roundly condemned internally and probably sanctioned.

After he is hopefully convicted of assault, the young woman should retain counsel and sue this guy for everything he is worth. Imagine a guy like this in front of a DC jury!

This kind of stuff has to stop. There is no possible justification for such an assault and until everyone - regardless of the size of their ego - understands that there are serious ramifications of their action they will continue.

[scarry]

I was driving home from the store yesterday, and this older kid is bicycling down the right hand lane of a 45 mile-an-hour zone. He was going about 10 mph, if that. I happened upon him as I came around a curve, so I didn't see him until the last moment. To tell you the truth, I was first shocked, then angry, though I didn't say anything, or beep my horn, or do anything of any sort. But, I have seen bicyclists take a lot of chances on the road and give me a scare because I have so little time to do something. .

So you overtook a cyclist riding legally in the right hand side of the road, (right where he's supposed to ride), and you didn't see him until the last moment. This, sir, is called driving "too fast for conditions". If visibility is limited, then SLOW DOWN. This is called the basic speed law. You were the one driving illegally, not the cyclist, and you were the one "taking chances".

Sounds like you would get along just fine with Marvin Kalb.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=116614&page=1&pp=25

Your opinion is contrary to "cycling advocacy". Note that this is a cycling advocacy forum.

[scarry]

The cyclist should be bright enough not to put himself in harms way. Rather then ride down a high speed road with limited sight lines, find an alternative path.

Or is that to obvious?

It is obvious that you do not understand the concept of "cycling advocacy".

How about this:
Rather than driving too fast down a road with limited sight lines, operate your motor car at a speed that will allow you to maintain control, and avoid other traffic, such as bicycles.

[cc_rider]

why was she riding on the sidewalk? If she wasnt riding on the sidewalk he wouldnt be in her way. She probably had a pompous attitude about him blocking the way and he just blew an o-ring and got angry...if she was on the road she wouldnt have been blocked in...she should be ticketed for riding on the side walk...he should have to go to anger managment training and that should be the end of it.
Riding a bike on the sidewalk is legal in DC, except in the central business district. The incident happened in the 300 block of Massachusettes Avenue, NE, which is two blocks OUTSIDE of the CBD. The cyclists was entirely legal.

I believe that blocking a sidewalk is illegal in DC. I haven't been able to confirm that with the DC traffic code (DCMR Title 18 doesn't seem to be on line), but the police sometimes ticket for it, so I'm guessing that there is an ordinance on the books.

As to what actually happened between, I don't know and you certainly don't know. Let the trial sort it out.

[Feldman]

I won't stereotype conservative or liberal, being a political schizophrenic, but it is no surprise at all to read of a male motorist's violence towards a woman cyclist.

[scarry]

Riding a bike on the sidewalk is legal in DC, except in the central business district. The incident happened in the 300 block of Massachusettes Avenue, NE, which is two blocks OUTSIDE of the CBD. The cyclists was entirely legal.

I believe that blocking a sidewalk is illegal in DC. I haven't been able to confirm that with the DC traffic code (DCMR Title 18 doesn't seem to be on line), but the police sometimes ticket for it, so I'm guessing that there is an ordinance on the books.

As to what actually happened between, I don't know and you certainly don't know. Let the trial sort it out.

Sounds like he was blocking a curb cut or driveway entrance, dosn't matter if it was a cyclist, pedestrian, or a disabled person, he motor car was in the way, and when called out on it, he let his arrangent car-centered attitude get in the way of common sense.

[smurfy]

DC seems to me the road-rage capital of the US.

I visited there in July 2001 and the driving was absolutely crazy. I've even seen a driver and a ped almost get into a fist fight (both women, by the way) in front of Ford's Theater. The Capital Police were writing tickets constantly for illegal parking by the Mall, besides stopping drivers for whatever reason, Cars were virtually flying out of some huge parking lot of some high muckety-muck defense place that I can't remember right now. I've seen more "incidents" there in one day than I see in my hometown in an entire year! Good thing I was didn't have a car there.

[deathintransit]

Conservative think tank=
http://www.highpriorityparts.com/images/55-gallon-drum.gif

Couldn't resist.

[Roughstuff]

The eighteen year old son of a weathy Republican leader in Houston got drunk, and ran the family car over an elderly Vietnamese man who was walking across the street. The judge refused to allow the kid to spend one minute in jail. While the case was still being heard, the judge was having private meetings in her office with the boy's father and other Republican leaders. The courtroom was filled with his classmates, wearing the uniform of one of the most expensive private high schools in Texas, and their wealthy and well connected parents.



Well hell man our senior U.S. Senator got drunk, drove his car off a bridge, drowned his paramour passenger Mary Jo, and left her for dead by leaving the scene of an accident. His sentence: continuous re-election to the US senate.

roughstuff

[Paul L.]

Maybe it is not a conservative/liberal thing but an Executive class/Common class thing. I have had experience with high level business people cutting me in line without asking at restaurants telling me they have an "Important" meeting and so they need to go first. Sometimes I think since everyone where they work has to do what they say or imply they expect it of everyone else. I guess this fits in with the Rich and Famous being able to purchase justice in way. If a person looks down on another (Acura driver vs. Lowly cyclist) he/she will be more likely to treat that person in a rougher fashion than they would their percieved peers I think. Anyway, hope the judge sees through the crap on this guy. Sounds like a real jerk that needs a little education about this country he served as an officer. Maybe it is a mixture of radical Conservative and the aforementioned thought. I have met both Radical Liberals and Conservatives that I would not want to be around for very long, they seem to be angry all the time at something, I guess that is what drives them.

[galen_52657]

He was probably listening to his local NPR affiliate at the time.... :rolleyes:

More likely Rush Limbaugh.... or some other “right wing conservative” hate-monger polluting the public airwaves. Rush was prolly in full ‘Feminazi’ mode and got this guy all stirred up….

[chemcycle]

This dude is VERY tight with Tom DeLay, and other top leaders of the neo-fascist, radical right wing of America's ruling party.

He was also a part of the Navy War machine!! (cue sinister music).....

[Dchiefransom]

The problem with the basic speed law is that it lets the "state" off the hook. On a sunny, totally clear day, a road should be constructed so that a car can safely travel at the speed limit at all times. Any obstructions that limit visibility should cause the speed limit to be lowered. Weather conditions are uncontrollable variables, road design is not.

[seeker333]

This guy is no asset to any organization regardless of their political outlook. He should be roundly condemned internally and probably sanctioned.

After he is hopefully convicted of assault, the young woman should retain counsel and sue this guy for everything he is worth. Imagine a guy like this in front of a DC jury!

This kind of stuff has to stop. There is no possible justification for such an assault and until everyone - regardless of the size of their ego - understands that there are serious ramifications of their action they will continue.


i can only hope im lucky enough to be assaulted and battered by a rich ****r like this. i'm generally harassed only by poor punks and nascar dads. and moms.

i hope that gal has retained a good attorney for sueing this dude. i bet heritage foundation will gladly pay this one off to keep it quiet. maybe they can make amends by giving her a nice job.

http://www.heritage.org/About/Staff/TedSchelenski.cfm

[Paul L.]

maybe they can make amends by giving her a nice job.

http://www.heritage.org/About/Staff/TedSchelenski.cfm


Why would anyone who was not an extremist want to work for an extremist organization? I am technically conservative but I see valid points from both sides. I find associating with radical conservatives (and I am forced to interact with some) is rather unpleasant as many will not even consider other opinions (and often are very confrontational about it) which makes for rather boring or unpleasant conversations in my book.

[alanbikehouston]

Well hell man our senior U.S. Senator got drunk, drove his car off a bridge, drowned his paramour passenger Mary Jo, and left her for dead by leaving the scene of an accident. His sentence: continuous re-election to the US senate.

roughstuff

Well, you managed to invent, or imagine two of the key facts while recounting a tragic accident that happened over THIRTY years ago. Do you have much interest in the justice system circa 2005?

The animal-like attack on a tiny female cyclist happened THIS year, and the political string-pulling that will allow the animal to escape punishment will occur in the upcoming months - unless there is a overwhelming public demand that the laws of the USA begin to apply to leaders and supporters of the current ruling party.

Because you have made clear that YOU are a law-and-order sort of person, I'm sure we can count on you to be sending the prosecutor letters and e-mails demanding the attacker be punished.

Number of right-wing extremist "law and order" fanatics who will contact the prosecutor and demand punishment in this case: my guess would be zero.

[twahl]

Number of right-wing extremist "law and order" fanatics who will contact the prosecutor and demand punishment in this case: my guess would be zero.

Number of liberals that will call what appears to be a simple shove "an animal like attack": infinite.

Simple assault & battery, especially if it's a first time offense, generally carries a ~$100 fine, yet here we are in the "Advocacy & Safety" forum, screaming for this guy's head on a platter, jail time, and for him to have his posterior sued off. I'm not defending his actions by any means, but get real. If the same degree of "animal like attack" happened in any bar in the country on any Saturday night, they wouldn't even call the cops.

[alanbikehouston]

...If the same degree of "animal like attack" happened in any bar in the country on any Saturday night, they wouldn't even call the cops.

I don't think you live in Texas. Here in Texas, not many men would combine the stupidity and arrogance it would take to physically assault a 105 pound woman in on a public street corner. First, the men standing nearby would kick his rear. Then the police would kick his rear. Then the judge would kick his rear. When he got to prison, and his "room mates" find out he likes to beat up women, THEY would kick his rear.

Where the heck do you live where a grown man beating a tiny woman on a public street is such a "laughing matter"? If YOU think beating on women is a joke, don't bring your sorry attitude to Texas. You would surely not enjoy your visit. Only a coward would attack a woman. Only a coward would excuse an attack on a woman. Sick. Really, truly sick.

[twahl]

You're a joke. I spent 6 years in San Antonio, and spent time in Houston, Dallas, and Austin as well. While the hospitality was generally great, I didn't ever witness this chivalry you speak of.

The degree of assault is what's relevant, not the size differential. If anything, if an ape-sized man "attacks" a 105 lb. woman, and that attack consists of a shove...followed by his own voluntary return to the scene to offer his apologies, it seems to me that his "animal like attack" was anything but animal like (a mountain lion doesn't shove a deer to the ground, it drags it down, shreds it, then eats it) and he obviously realized that he was in the wrong. Not "animal-like" behavior.

But thanks for all the information on the rear-kicking. Would it matter if the man in question was 105 lbs. as well? Cause when I lived down there, my 120 lb.. neighbor got his head bashed in with a glass ashtray and other blunt objects by 3 people while he was handcuffed. One of them was a ~105 lb. woman, and nobody kicked their rears, although 1 of them went to jail when the other two claimed to have been there, but not participated.

[H23]

...Simple assault & battery, especially if it's a first time offense, generally carries a ~$100 fine...

Its not that simple!

An assault and battery (and sometimes even an arrest) on one's record, will ruin future background/security checks, regardless of what the punishment is.

Most likely, without an extraordinary effort from the prosecution, this loser will get a PBJ-- probation before judgement.

[dynaryder]

DC seems to me the road-rage capital of the US.

Yup. In fact,I do believe we actually invented the term. :o


I visited there in July 2001 and the driving was absolutely crazy. I've even seen a driver and a ped almost get into a fist fight (both women, by the way) in front of Ford's Theater. The Capital Police were writing tickets constantly for illegal parking by the Mall, besides stopping drivers for whatever reason, Cars were virtually flying out of some huge parking lot of some high muckety-muck defense place that I can't remember right now. I've seen more "incidents" there in one day than I see in my hometown in an entire year! Good thing I was didn't have a car there.

I lived in DC from '92-'00. I just got back into town in Jan,and things have definitely gotten worse. People just don't care about anything outside of the little world of their iPod/cell phone/car. Just yesterday,I was crossing the street on foot and saw a woman pull halfway into the crosswalk to make a right-on-red...while yakking on a cell phone. I pantomimed holding a phone to my ear and wagged my finger at her. She gave me a dirty look and honked her horn. Even though she was braking the law,I was the one being a jerk. :rolleyes:

One of the diceiest parts of my homeward commute is going past the Naval Station at the AU/Wisc/Nevada traffic circle. They come flying out of the parking lot,usually California stopping at the stop sign,and block the sidewalk without ever bothering to look to the right. Quite often they don't even bother to stop and just cut into traffic. This is where I got hit this winter and I've seen 2 peds almost eat it there.

[Rex G]

Sadly, I have just as many liberals with "Save the earth" or whatnot stickers honk at me as conservatives... Hmm, am I the only conservative who wants to save the earth? ;) Actually, I am, in total, probably a centrist.

[genec]

Here is an idea (http://radio.ksl.com/index.php?nid=19&sid=205392) whose time has come......

Very good idea.

[genec]

Why the hell would someone want to work 60 hours a week for the rest of their lives? I'd call that unacceptable.

Most of us that work in high tech do call it unacceptable... and then go on and do it anyway... Pre-IPO companies are typically founded on this kind of workweek.

While going to College "full time" I worked 12 hour days and once was asked if I could work 16 hour days... my response: "sure, but I am only responsible for the decisions I make in the first 12 hours... " I quit there right after graduating.

Ask yourself why we also tolerate 2 weeks a year vacation... which often is not taken.

Welcome to corporate America. Heart attack anyone?

[Dchiefransom]

Yup. In fact,I do believe we actually invented the term. :o




I lived in DC from '92-'00. I just got back into town in Jan,and things have definitely gotten worse. People just don't care about anything outside of the little world of their iPod/cell phone/car. Just yesterday,I was crossing the street on foot and saw a woman pull halfway into the crosswalk to make a right-on-red...while yakking on a cell phone. I pantomimed holding a phone to my ear and wagged my finger at her. She gave me a dirty look and honked her horn. Even though she was braking the law,I was the one being a jerk. :rolleyes:

One of the diceiest parts of my homeward commute is going past the Naval Station at the AU/Wisc/Nevada traffic circle. They come flying out of the parking lot,usually California stopping at the stop sign,and block the sidewalk without ever bothering to look to the right. Quite often they don't even bother to stop and just cut into traffic. This is where I got hit this winter and I've seen 2 peds almost eat it there.


A "California Stop" doesn't involve any slowing down anymore. I think we use the term now in an historical manner. :rolleyes:

[Dchiefransom]

I don't think you live in Texas. Here in Texas, not many men would combine the stupidity and arrogance it would take to physically assault a 105 pound woman in on a public street corner. First, the men standing nearby would kick his rear. Then the police would kick his rear. Then the judge would kick his rear. When he got to prison, and his "room mates" find out he likes to beat up women, THEY would kick his rear.

Where the heck do you live where a grown man beating a tiny woman on a public street is such a "laughing matter"? If YOU think beating on women is a joke, don't bring your sorry attitude to Texas. You would surely not enjoy your visit. Only a coward would attack a woman. Only a coward would excuse an attack on a woman. Sick. Really, truly sick.

So much for equal opportunity and equal rights.

[Roughstuff]

I don't think you live in Texas. Here in Texas, not many men would combine the stupidity and arrogance it would take to physically assault a 105 pound woman in on a public street corner. First, the men standing nearby would kick his rear. Then the police would kick his rear. Then the judge would kick his rear. When he got to prison, and his "room mates" find out he likes to beat up women, THEY would kick his rear.

Where the heck do you live where a grown man beating a tiny woman on a public street is such a "laughing matter"? If YOU think beating on women is a joke, don't bring your sorry attitude to Texas. You would surely not enjoy your visit. Only a coward would attack a woman. Only a coward would excuse an attack on a woman. Sick. Really, truly sick.

Hell man, where I live, half the women are men, anyway, and would kick his rear on their own. Then their fellow dykes would kick his rear. Then the police would use a taser on your testicles (culturally sensitive cops up here). When he got to prison he would get work release from Mike Dukakis, move down to Maryland, and well, we all know the rest...


roughstuff

[slagjumper]

Perhaps she was attacked becuase of her work.
http://www.aed-ccsg.org/

Our Mission
We are committed to building the capacity of civil society organizations to affect public policy and address local, national, and regional issues; improving accountability and responsiveness of government to citizens; and promoting peace and mitigating conflict.

AED's democracy-building and civil society development programs around the world have helped citizens monitor and influence government activities, support market reforms, defend minority and women's rights, ferret out corruption, and protect the environment. In addition to activities that are specifically designed to build democracy, most of our programs include a component to strengthen civil society through coalition building, grant making,advocacy training, organizational development, or civic education campaigns.


http://www.aed-ccsg.org/staff/hall.html

[scarry]

I think you may be on to something there.
But how would the assailent know the victim was working there?

Perhaps she was attacked becuase of her work.
http://www.aed-ccsg.org/

Our Mission
We are committed to building the capacity of civil society organizations to affect public policy and address local, national, and regional issues; improving accountability and responsiveness of government to citizens; and promoting peace and mitigating conflict.

AED's democracy-building and civil society development programs around the world have helped citizens monitor and influence government activities, support market reforms, defend minority and women's rights, ferret out corruption, and protect the environment. In addition to activities that are specifically designed to build democracy, most of our programs include a component to strengthen civil society through coalition building, grant making,advocacy training, organizational development, or civic education campaigns.


http://www.aed-ccsg.org/staff/hall.html

[slagjumper]

I think you may be on to something there.
But how would the assailent know the victim was working there?
Hey cant talk about that--Patriot act and all.

[Don Gwinn]

Riiiiight.

You know, if you want to assume that their respective ideological positions had something to do with this (which violates the principle of Occam's Razor IMHO and is not in evidence, but after all it's possible) then it makes much more sense that the reason she got so crazy was that she recognized him, not the other way around.

It's not going to matter either way. He hit her. Nothing she did before that is going to be relevant to most people. He shouldn't have hit her, and that's all he's going to hear. There isn't going to be any reason he can give unless she was about to kick his ass first, and even that is only going to work on some of us.

[slagjumper]

Riiiiight.

You know, if you want to assume that their respective ideological positions had something to do with this (which violates the principle of Occam's Razor IMHO and is not in evidence, but after all it's possible) then it makes much more sense that the reason she got so crazy was that she recognized him, not the other way around.

It's not going to matter either way. He hit her. Nothing she did before that is going to be relevant to most people. He shouldn't have hit her, and that's all he's going to hear. There isn't going to be any reason he can give unless she was about to kick his ass first, and even that is only going to work on some of us.

I neither assumed nor presumed—it was meant totally tounge in cheek—but it is comically coincidental. I think that the Heritage Foundation would have sent a low level operative to “take her out” anyway.

[jim-bob]

Most of us that work in high tech do call it unacceptable... and then go on and do it anyway... Pre-IPO companies are typically founded on this kind of workweek.

While going to College "full time" I worked 12 hour days and once was asked if I could work 16 hour days... my response: "sure, but I am only responsible for the decisions I make in the first 12 hours... " I quit there right after graduating.

Ask yourself why we also tolerate 2 weeks a year vacation... which often is not taken.

Welcome to corporate America. Heart attack anyone?

Yuck. I've been known to work stupid hours, but usually not for more than a week or two at a time. I'm frightened by corporate america.

[sunninho]

In Ameroca, we live to work :(

In other places, they work to live :o

[Bikepacker67]

It isn't about bikes. People just hate people who are "different", or get in their way.


Ya but I don't see them flipping off and honking at school buses or combines... nah, the cowards wouldn't THINK of doing that.

[slagjumper]

I've thought of renting a h2 and tailing the local CMs and beeping and yelling and reving the engine, (while protecting their back). The idea would be to show other motorists how idiotic it is to get angry at bikers. Other motorists might think, "Look at that ah in the hummer you thing that he'd give the disenfranchised youth a break." Perhaps I could get a few cohorts to jump out of the h2 and "harrass" them for the theater of it. While I am renting the h2 perhaps I could put signs like "Exxon supports Bush" on the back of the h2.

[scarry]

I've thought of renting a h2 and tailing the local CMs and beeping and yelling and reving the engine, (while protecting their back). The idea would be to show other motorists how idiotic it is to get angry at bikers. Other motorists might think, "Look at that ah in the hummer you thing that he'd give the disenfranchised youth a break." Perhaps I could get a few cohorts to jump out of the h2 and "harrass" them for the theater of it. While I am renting the h2 perhaps I could put signs like "Exxon supports Bush" on the back of the h2.

That's a good idea. Great theater. Check out these guys.http://greenhummerproject.org/

[tofubiker]

Very similar thing happened to me 3 years ago in DC. The DC cops wouldn't even let me fill out a police report though, despite the motorist trying to run me over and getting out of his car and swinging his fists at me as he chased me. The cops said I should have ignored him when he started honking at me for no reason.

I'm glad to see they arrested a driver for once for doing this kind of thing. NYC cops could care less about driver assaults on cyclists.

[DCCommuter]

Very similar thing happened to me 3 years ago in DC. The DC cops wouldn't even let me fill out a police report though, despite the motorist trying to run me over and getting out of his car and swinging his fists at me as he chased me. The cops said I should have ignored him when he started honking at me for no reason.

I'm glad to see they arrested a driver for once for doing this kind of thing. NYC cops could care less about driver assaults on cyclists.

This case was Capitol Hill Police, a very different thing from regular Metropolitan Police. I doubt MPD would even have responded to a call on this one.

[trayer350]

Let me see if I understand your post correctly:

You are a bicyclist. But when you drive a motor vehicle around a limited line of sight curve, you do so at a speed you consider unsafe if their might be a bicyclist, child or other hazard in the road. You become angry when that hazard comes into view and you have to brake excessively hard because of your excessive speed. But you are a good guy because even with your anger, you did not yell or sound your horn.

In your mind, what is the speed limit at which bicyclist should be banned from that road? We know it is something under 45 mph; so maybe 35 mph, or 15 mph or should it be the 10 mph speed that the teenager was traveling at. :(

He wasn't off to the side. He was in the Middle of the lane. No motorist, including you, slows down to 10 mph in a 45 mph just because you are making a curve. All curves have limited line of sight, or have you never gone around a curve before. It too bad you know nothing about curves or driving.

[trayer350]

Let me see if I understand your post correctly:

You are a bicyclist. But when you drive a motor vehicle around a limited line of sight curve, you do so at a speed you consider unsafe if their might be a bicyclist, child or other hazard in the road. You become angry when that hazard comes into view and you have to brake excessively hard because of your excessive speed. But you are a good guy because even with your anger, you did not yell or sound your horn.

In your mind, what is the speed limit at which bicyclist should be banned from that road? We know it is something under 45 mph; so maybe 35 mph, or 15 mph or should it be the 10 mph speed that the teenager was traveling at. :(

He wasn't off to the side. He was in the Middle of the lane. No motorist, including you, slows down to 10 mph in a 45 mph just because you are making a curve. All curves have limited line of sight, or have you never gone around a curve before. It too bad you know nothing about curves or driving.

[Nikadimus]

Most of us that work in high tech do call it unacceptable... and then go on and do it anyway... Pre-IPO companies are typically founded on this kind of workweek.

While going to College "full time" I worked 12 hour days and once was asked if I could work 16 hour days... my response: "sure, but I am only responsible for the decisions I make in the first 12 hours... " I quit there right after graduating.

Ask yourself why we also tolerate 2 weeks a year vacation... which often is not taken.

Welcome to corporate America. Heart attack anyone?


Blah... Thanks ;) .
I'm going to college to become a mechanical engineer...

But the way things are going in my life I'll probably never actually do any work as one. Already at my current job I don't work more than 32 hours, and one 11 hour day every other week.
Needless to say I don't own anything fancy, besides my bike, I have no car, and only a few bills.

I don't remember who said it but:
"There are two ways of getting rich, work more or want less."

I'm a lazy *******. :p

[Alekhine]

"There are two ways of getting rich, work more or want less."


:)

[CB HI]

Originally Posted by CB HI
In your mind, what is the speed limit at which bicyclist should be banned from that road? We know it is something under 45 mph; so maybe 35 mph, or 15 mph or should it be the 10 mph speed that the teenager was traveling at.


He wasn't off to the side. He was in the Middle of the lane. No motorist, including you, slows down to 10 mph in a 45 mph just because you are making a curve. All curves have limited line of sight, or have you never gone around a curve before. It too bad you know nothing about curves or driving.

You take over 2 weeks to respond to a post, you have to post the same comment twice and yet you fail to answer the simple question asked.

I learned to drive pulling a trailer through the Rocky Mountains. I grew up driving on narrow, curving roads with limited sight lines. I learned to drive at a reasonable speed, to be able to stop within the sight line without having to slam on the brakes and become angry because of my bad driving. I never became angry following out of state tourist driving slowly due to their fear of mountain roads with steep drop offs. I never became angry from following under powered cars pulling large stream line trailers. I never became angry following bicyclist riding by VC guidelines. I always patiently waited until there were reasonable sight lines to pass safely. I did occasionally have to put up with idiots that would come up behind me while I was waiting for a safe passing area, who laid on their horns like complete jerks.

You indicated that the cyclist was in the right most lane. That implies that you had a second passing lane available to you. Are you such a bad driver that you cannot safely move into the passing lane and pass?

My commute home for 18 years includes a one mile curving 45 mph uphill roadway with a shoulder ranging from 6 inches to 2 feet, filled with glass and gravel. Most drivers in the right lane are able to drive at reasonable speeds for the sight lane, and have the ability to safely change lanes to pass me with little inconvenience. A few idiots are not able to handle this simple driving situation and find themselves having to slam on their brakes to avoid running into the back of a bus, truck, stalled car, slow driving old ladies, maintenance equipment and yes even bicyclist. The idiots should learn how to drive properly.

If you choose to respond to this post, at least answer the 2 questions asked.

[trayer350]

The other lane is full of traffic. This isn't a mountain road. It's highway. You drive slow on this highway, you ending killing several people and getting arrested. You just want to somehow be superior. You aren't. Get over it.

[CB HI]

The other lane is full of traffic. This isn't a mountain road. It's highway. You drive slow on this highway, you ending killing several people and getting arrested. You just want to somehow be superior. You aren't. Get over it.

And yet you can not answer a couple of simple questions!

It seems that you are the one demanding superior rights to drive dangerously.

[DogBoy]

Conservative think tank=
http://www.highpriorityparts.com/images/55-gallon-drum.gif

Couldn't resist.

I thought this was a conservative think tank:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1a1-ftvw.jpg

[Slow Train]

No - wait! Is that Michael Dukakis i see peering out the driver's viewport?