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Bikeophile
07-03-05, 12:37 PM
News clip from procycling.com


Jan struggles as successors gather
03/07/2005
T-Mobile boss Walter Godefroot was expecting Jan Ullrich to be beaten by Lance Armstrong in the TT, but wasn't prepared for his leader being passed.


As everyone knows, no cycle race is over until the fat lady sings, but, a matter of hours into the 2005 Tour de France, some pundits were claiming that the formerly fat man known as Jan Ullrich had already sunk on Sunday morning.

The night after Ullrich’s humiliation in the Tour’s opening 19km prologue may have brought counsel, but it didn’t shave any seconds off his 1-06 deficit from Lance Armstrong. Neither did it shed much light on the reasons for the German’s horror show.

T-Mobile team manager Walter Godefroot, historically one of Ullrich’s harshest critics, was predictably gloomy last night. Ullrich’s new, more rofessional approach so far this year had apparently restored him to Godefroot’s good books. Where in previous years there has been an air of cynical resignation about Godefroot’s commentaries on Ullrich, last night the veteran team boss seemed plain stunned.

“It’s very hard to accept a defeat like that in the first stage,” Godefroot admitted. “Seeing Armstrong pass Jan was a terrible blow, because I would never have believed that there could have been more than 30 seconds between them.”

Godefroot then reverted to type: “Unlike some optimists in our team, I wasn’t convinced that Jan could beat Armstrong, but I had been careful not to say it publicly. It was just a feeling that I had, and I was saying to myself that if he finished within 30 seconds of Lance it wouldn’t be a disaster. What perturbs me most is that no one knows why it went so wrong.”

Even Ullrich’s ever-loyal coach, Rudy Pevenage, betrayed some signs of frustration with his protegé. Pevenage said this morning that the shock of seeing Armstrong overtake him was equal to that of head-butting his team car’s rear windscreen in training on Friday. But yesterday, Pevenage seemed scathing of Ullrich’s heavy-artillery tactics.

“I don’t know why he insists on pushing such big gears,” Pevenage said of Ullrich’s choice of a 55x11 maximum ratio. “They say that the wind changed direction? That’s no excuse: Armstrong and the others had the same conditions. I could see straight away that he wasn’t going to have a good day.”

Ullrich himself shrugged off suggestions last night that, having emerged from his winter break lighter than in previous years, he became complacent this spring and has never shed his last two or three kilos of excess. “There are 10 days to go until the mountains and I’m not going to change my original plan,” affirmed ‘Der Kaiser’. “If I thought that I had no hope left, I would go straight home.”

Ullrich may not yet be contemplating his second consecutive Tour failure, but there are those who are already posing the question of whether Ullrich can pick himself up off the canvas after yet another Armstrong knock-out. T-Mobile’s signing of budding Tour star Patrik Sinkewitz from Quick Step, announced earlier this week, may be a hint that soon-to-be team manager Olaf Ludwig is already thinking about life after Ullrich. Even more ominously, T-Mobile have apparently all-but-signed Sinkewitz’s Quick-Step team-mate, Michael Rogers, a rider very much in the Ullrich mould but six years younger. Rumours are also rife about T-Mobile sizing up an even bigger name and former Tour podium finisher.

Udo Bolts rode with and mentored Ullrich for several years at Telekom before Godefroot’s team became T-Mobile and Bolts moved to rival outfit Gerolsteiner as a directeur sportif. Speaking to procycling before stage 1 of the Tour in Challans, this morning, Bolts’ overriding sentiment was one of sympathy for his former team-mate. But this didn’t stop him hazarding a few guesses at where it may all have gone wrong for Ullrich since he dominated the Tour as a 23 year old in 1997.

“I don’t think that you can lose natural talent, but there have been too many ups and downs in Ullrich’s form over the years,” Bolts suggested. “As you get older, your body changes and can perhaps no longer cope with fluctuations in weight and condition as well as it used to. Also, Jan has lost so much time over the years training just to lose weight. Contrast this with Lance, who is always in a position to train effectively, despite what he said about being behind schedule earlier this year, which I think was just bravado...

“I like and respect my old colleagues at T-Mobile, but perhaps a couple of years ago it was time for Jan to try something different,” Bolts continued. “At the time, there was a possibility that he would go to CSC. It would have been interesting to see how he got on there with Riis. I fear for his chances in this Tour because, if you look at the results of the time trial yesterday, there were eight Discovery Channel riders in the top 50 and only two from T-Mobile. That tells you something about what is likely to happen in the team time trial on Tuesday. And if Lance hadn’t overtaken Jan yesterday, he would probably have lost another 12 or 15 seconds…”

Just what Ullrich needed: more bad news…


thad
07-03-05, 12:55 PM
WTF, the guy doesn't "know why it went so wrong", how about he crashed through the back window of a car the day previous. I don't care what Ulrich says about his health, I KNOW he had to be pretty sore yesterday. Worst possible case for him, he has that crash and then has Lance chasing him down. I'm not sure he can win, but I think he'll come back fine.

I think its amazing where he finished compared to the other GC and ITT specialists given what happened to him...stupid as it was.

jkoman
07-03-05, 01:37 PM
If he speculates on the crash he's a whiner, if he doesn't he's a stoic loser. Unfortunately he's up against LA and thats tough...very tough. Discovery is such a very very strong team. Hincapie looks sooooo fit and light yet so strong, who can challenge this team....maybe only a combination of teams that gang up on them


Crack'n'fail
07-03-05, 02:04 PM
Is it just some German technique to talk crap about your rider in the press? How can that possibly help his psyche when he hears Godefroot saying he doubted Ullrich was capable of winning even before the TT. I really wish Ullrich would have gone to CSC, I think he would have flourished there. We might have all been treated to some more exciting tours recently.

there's no way that his crash didn't have an effect on his performance. If it was a few days before maybe, but to have a wound seeping blood the day you are needing to go all out for 19k is going to have a negative effect.

jbhowat
07-03-05, 02:22 PM
I'm pretty sure its was THE day before.

Swiss Hoser
07-03-05, 02:40 PM
Is it just some German technique to talk crap about your rider in the press? How can that possibly help his psyche when he hears Godefroot saying he doubted...

You're joking, right?
Walter Goderfroot is a Belgian.
Who's talkin' crap here?

waltergodefroot
07-03-05, 02:45 PM
Is it just some German technique to talk crap about your rider in the press? How can that possibly help his psyche when he hears Godefroot saying he doubted Ullrich was capable of winning even before the TT.

For those following bike racing for the first time, I am Belgian, not German.

Swiss Hoser
07-03-05, 02:54 PM
For those following bike racing for the first time, I am Belgian, not German.

Fine, Walter. Belgian. Good to hear from you.
Why don't you deal with the REAL issue of this thread?
It's not about being German or Belgian. It's about Jan.

waltergodefroot
07-03-05, 03:02 PM
Fine, Walter. Belgian. Good to hear from you.
Why don't you deal with the REAL issue of this thread?
It's not about being German or Belgian. It's about Jan.

It's about that crazy Rudy! He is always whispering in Jan's ear...whisper, whisper, whisper,...I can't get Jan to listen to me. I don't know. Back in my day we rode hard, and then we rode harder. I don't know.

Jan just needs a good kick in the arse.... him and Kloden...earrings, fast cars, mousse, ech! sissys! Look at Lance. Short hair, almost butch, like a real German would wear, and a tough broad for a girl, I like him, no need for coddling, and he comes from a country with no strudel. Oh well,....

cyclobuddies
07-03-05, 03:04 PM
The Tour is a long race... All I wish is that the final result is not set up after a week.

gege

http://www.cyclobuddies.com

tribe3
07-03-05, 03:35 PM
Is "waltergodefroot" really Walter Godefroot?? :eek:

skydive69
07-03-05, 04:40 PM
WTF, the guy doesn't "know why it went so wrong", how about he crashed through the back window of a car the day previous. I don't care what Ulrich says about his health, I KNOW he had to be pretty sore yesterday. Worst possible case for him, he has that crash and then has Lance chasing him down. I'm not sure he can win, but I think he'll come back fine.

I think its amazing where he finished compared to the other GC and ITT specialists given what happened to him...stupid as it was.

That's all horse manure! You race what you brung! If he wasn't fit, then he should have stayed the hell home. If he's injured then stay the hell home. If he takes the line to compete, then he can save his excuses for his mommie! Vino will emerge as the team leader.

skinnyone
07-03-05, 04:54 PM
I am almost ready to write off Ulrich based on Lance's super form but I wanna plau the wating game here... Lets see if he rises up to the challenge.. LAs posn is not confirmed by any means... CSC is mofn strong... They have enough fire power there..

*edit-- Note my use of lances form and not jans lack of form.. Jan is in a bit of from himself..

alanbikehouston
07-03-05, 05:41 PM
Jan ran a fine race in "Stage One". His time was about what anyone would have expected had he NOT been in a crash just 24 hours before. Lance passed him by running the 2nd best TT in the 102 year history of the Tour de France...this was not a bad day for Jan, except for having to watch Lance run the TT of his life.

Around July 15th, we will know how Jan is doing. My guess: Jan will be doing fine. But, Lance and Vinokourov may be doing a bit better.

Crack'n'fail
07-03-05, 06:17 PM
I'm pretty sure its was THE day before.

That's what I said. I said IF it was a few days before it might not have caused problems.

Crack'n'fail
07-03-05, 06:20 PM
You're joking, right?
Walter Goderfroot is a Belgian.
Who's talkin' crap here?

Sorry, I don't follow Directors backgrounds that much. I just know that T-Mobile is a German outfit and that Jan was brought up in the East German sporting school system, and that his team Director has persistently talked badly about him in the press for years now.

But you telling me that he's Belgian certainly makes all of that o.k. Nevermind.

Bikeophile
07-03-05, 06:29 PM
That's all horse manure! You race what you brung! If he wasn't fit, then he should have stayed the hell home. If he's injured then stay the hell home. If he takes the line to compete, then he can save his excuses for his mommie! Vino will emerge as the team leader.

That's a bit harsh. Its the press and US who are making excuses and reasons for Jan's performance. He's not making excuses. He showed up and he raced hard...He IS fit, and he beat most of the field (12th out of 189 riders is pretty amazing still).

Jan is only a few seconds behind Vino right now. I am convinced that Lance has his number, but I am not convinced that Jan isn't going to make a race of it still. Lets wait a few days and see what happens.

skydive69
07-03-05, 06:32 PM
That's a bit harsh. Its the press and US who are making excuses and reasons for Jan's performance. He's not making excuses. He showed up and he raced hard...He IS fit, and he beat most of the field (12th out of 189 riders is pretty amazing still).

Jan is only a few seconds behind Vino right now. I am convinced that Lance has his number, but I am not convinced that Jan isn't going to make a race of it still. Lets wait a few days and see what happens.

It would be harsh if I were saying it to Jan - my comments were aimed at those who start playing the "crash card" on his behalf. He is an amazing athlete, and I am a fan. I guess I am so much of a Lance fanatic, and being a very competitive type myself, I fire off salvos at competition. Having said that, I was hoping that all evidence would point to Jan being in top form - I want Lance to beat him that way!

roadgator
07-03-05, 06:57 PM
you guys see that bandage on his neck? i bet he lost a fair amount of blood. blood loss is last thing you need to have happen before an all out effort like the TT.

in light of that i think he did just fine and will get stronger over the next week or so. hopefully it isnt too late for him and he and vino will work together instead of against eachother.

lance obviously had an inspired TT and im worried about him being head and shoulders above EVERYONE not just jan. id like this tour to be a little more than the lance armstrong show it was last year.

Dolomiti
07-03-05, 08:17 PM
in light of that i think he did just fine and will get stronger over the next week or so. hopefully it isnt too late for him and he and vino will work together instead of against eachother.


He can go from looking way out of form to suddenly being the strongest rider, as the race goes on.
But I think the big problem this year is the route. With this route, the only big mountain stage for him to get time is the type of stage that I don't think suites him well at all (even though he finished second on it in 2001). And just one more time trial. Nothing like Arcalis this year.

EDIT: Actually, I'm kind of wrong there. Courchovel seems like it would suit him, theoretically... but I feel its too early of a stage for him.
Who knows what will happen. I shouldn't make such big assumptions yet.

waltergodefroot
07-03-05, 09:03 PM
It would be harsh if I were saying it to Jan

You would'nt say it to Jan, at least not to his face, tough guy. :rolleyes:

jbhowat
07-03-05, 09:40 PM
That's what I said. I said IF it was a few days before it might not have caused problems.


oops, my bad

eblaska
07-04-05, 01:18 AM
It's funny how you guys can just sit here and bash Jan. When was the last time you raced in the Tour? Alos blood loss can play a HUGE factor in giving your full effort. Less talk more rock.