Professional Cycling For the Fans - Jan Ullrich = Lances'?

After watching the prologue the other day, I couldn't believe that Armstrong caught and passed Big Ullie in a TT that was only 11.8 miles!

Everybody is saying that Jan is in great shape for this TDF year, yet he get's embarrassed in one of his specialties. That's too bad, because I like watching the Der Kaiser race with that slow mashing cadence of his...

So does Lance own Jan?

After watching the prologue the other day, I couldn't believe the Armstrong caught and passed Big Ullie in a TT that was only 11.8 miles!

Everybody is saying that Jan is in great shape for this TDF year, yet he get's embarrassed in one of his specialty. That's too bad, because like watching the Der Kaiser race with that slow mashing cadence of his...

So does Lance own Jan?

This is a funny title.

The interesting thing was watching them ride close to each other and comparing their styles... it was like a Honda S2000 vs a Ford Mustang, really. Lance obviously was the Honda S2000. Spinning like mad, just whipped right on by poor Jan.

"Jan Ullrich, one of Lance Armstrong's main rivals, crashed into the car of T-Mobile team manager Mario Kumme after being forced to brake unexpectedly on Friday July First" OLN showed the car and the entire back window caved in , and by the way he, Jan, wasn't wearing a helmet.....
Okay.. I'm just thinking if it were me and I hit the back window of a car, helmetless, I'd think I'd be takin' about a week off of work, not trying to win the Tour de France.

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"Jan Ullrich, one of Lance Armstrong's main rivals, crashed into the car of T-Mobile team manager Mario Kumme after being forced to brake unexpectedly on Friday July First" OLN showed the car and the entire back window caved in , and by the way he, Jan, wasn't wearing a helmet.....
Okay.. I'm just thinking if it were me and I hit the back window of a car, helmetless, I'd think I'd be takin' about a week off of work, not trying to win the Tour de France.


Yep plus you have to consider the other "favorites" that Jan beat in terms of time.

Not necessarily a Jan or Lance fan but I see a lot of people come down hard, quite unfairly I might add, on these guys.

"Jan Ullrich, one of Lance Armstrong's main rivals, crashed into the car of T-Mobile team manager Mario Kumme after being forced to brake unexpectedly on Friday July First" OLN showed the car and the entire back window caved in , and by the way he, Jan, wasn't wearing a helmet.....
Okay.. I'm just thinking if it were me and I hit the back window of a car, helmetless, I'd think I'd be takin' about a week off of work, not trying to win the Tour de France.

No helmet crash into window.....but nobody mentions this. Only how "great" lance is.

You think we are a little biased?

I'm surprised Jan even made it out for the first stage after that accident... Given the circumstances, I fully expected him to get owned.

plus he crashed into a plate of french fries almost everyday in the off-season, perhaps that's the reason

plus he crashed into a plate of french fries almost everyday in the off-season, perhaps that's the reason

Reminds me of this bodybuilder named Lee Priest. 5'2" or was it 5'4". Anyway in the offseason he would blow up to something like 300 lbs and was fat as hell. Then after many cutting cycles of clenbuterol and thyriod hormone he would drop to 220 lbs of pure muscle.

How healthy could that be? Never mind the 2,000 grams of test he likely injected per week, but that is another story.

plus he crashed into a plate of french fries almost everyday in the off-season, perhaps that's the reason

he's 4.4 lbs heavier than the little pipsqueek Armstrong..............according to the website #'s anyway

if we are gonna bash Ullrich, lets bash Armstrong too, he got OWNED by a guy that already rode in one GT this year already !!

I doubt LA lost by accident. He eased off a bit after passing Ullrich. His manager was probably telling him to cool off so he wouldn't have to defend the jersey.

And Ullrich did a damn fine job. He went through a window the day before and was right up by the leaders times (the ones that weren't at a record breaking pace, anyway). The only one that wasn't going to get PWNED being in front of Lance was Zabriskie.

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Why "Pwned" instead of "Uwned"?

"Jan Ullrich, one of Lance Armstrong's main rivals, crashed into the car of T-Mobile team manager Mario Kumme after being forced to brake unexpectedly on Friday July First" OLN showed the car and the entire back window caved in , and by the way he, Jan, wasn't wearing a helmet.....
Okay.. I'm just thinking if it were me and I hit the back window of a car, helmetless, I'd think I'd be takin' about a week off of work, not trying to win the Tour de France.

Well, ol' Mononut had a crash too last week. :eek: Damn bumblebees! :rolleyes:

Well, ol' Mononut had a crash too last week. :eek: Damn bumblebees! :rolleyes:
But he didn't go flying through a window, he was wearing a helmet, and it was a low speed crash.

Well, ol' Mononut


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Why "Pwned" instead of "Uwned"?

Coz that's the cool way to spell it.....

PWN3D!!....is even cooler. :D

And now, the evolution of the term []DVVN3|)11!1!111


In the beginning, there was Owned, as in "I owned that furniture before I sold it." And it was good.

Lo, it was not to be. The dark ages would fall. Those calling themselves l33+ (coming from the term elite), bastardized the poor word to fit their own evil doing. And it was not good. Owned now was a put down, as in "I owned that n00b omgrofl!". There was no rejoycing.

The l33+ HaX0Rz of the Counterstrike pursuesion continued to adapt the poor bastardized verb to their own nefarious needs. There was a shism in the higher l33+ HaX0rz. On the one side, owned became Own3d!. The other higher l33+ used the term Pwned. Both evolved so the more l33+ of the HaX0Rz could embaress the less l33+. Eventually, those that sided with "Pwned" won, and all were converted to using the term. This left the more l33+ Hax0rs with no way to put down the n00bz, so they further mutated "Owned" into Pwn3d!. Since then, it has undergone more evolution, the more l33+ leading the charge, always staying a step ahead of the less l33+ of the HaX0Rz.

Once a proper verb, Owned has been bastardized beyond saving. When once furniture was owned, now n00bz are "OMFG PWN3D!!!111!111 ROFL!!!!!!!!11". It is a sad state of affairs.

And now, the evolution of the term []DVVN3|)11!1!111


In the beginning, there was Owned, as in "I owned that furniture before I sold it." And it was good.

Lo, it was not to be. The dark ages would fall. Those calling themselves l33+ (coming from the term elite), bastardized the poor word to fit their own evil doing. And it was not good. Owned now was a put down, as in "I owned that n00b omgrofl!". There was no rejoycing.

The l33+ HaX0Rz of the Counterstrike pursuesion continued to adapt the poor bastardized verb to their own nefarious needs. There was a shism in the higher l33+ HaX0rz. On the one side, owned became Own3d!. The other higher l33+ used the term Pwned. Both evolved so the more l33+ of the HaX0Rz could embaress the less l33+. Eventually, those that sided with "Pwned" won, and all were converted to using the term. This left the more l33+ Hax0rs with no way to put down the n00bz, so they further mutated "Owned" into Pwn3d!. Since then, it has undergone more evolution, the more l33+ leading the charge, always staying a step ahead of the less l33+ of the HaX0Rz.

Once a proper verb, Owned has been bastardized beyond saving. When once furniture was owned, now n00bz are "OMFG PWN3D!!!111!111 ROFL!!!!!!!!11". It is a sad state of affairs.


That's pretty funny. I never kept up with the haxor lingo. They have a whole alphabet that is pretty messed up if you ask me.

Now n00b has become nub. (ie, I Pwn3d that nub.)

I doubt LA lost by accident. He eased off a bit after passing Ullrich. His manager was probably telling him to cool off so he wouldn't have to defend the jersey.
WTF? LA gets beat in a TT and he still gets a defense? According to Crowe he wasn't to happy about having to wear the green jersey.
From the TDF site. "Zabriskie burst out of the start house, slipped into his aero tuck and covered the 19km stage at an average of 54.676km/h – it was fast enough to eclipse the efforts of Greg Lemond’s famous victory on the Champs Elysees at the end of the 1989 Tour."
He beat a record that has stood for 15 years and that LA was unable to best, yet, all OLN can talk about is LA and Crowe and LA. I'm really starting to hate this dude.

Pwned = Owned with the finger slipping...it was done by accident and somebody decided it was cool so they kept it.

Hence owned became pwned...don't hate on people because they type different. (Let my people go :P )

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Too bad I couldn't get images to come over, but there are the links. Aero position and hip angle on Zabriskie's bike looks better to me. Notice both their pedal are 12 oclock and 6 oclock.

Nobody is saying much about Zabriskie's time because he had an enormous tailwind going off the coast which had stopped and was reversing by the time the big guys went.

Can someone explain to me how it is that Boonen has won the last two stages yet isn't wearing the yellow jersey? I'm kinda confused here. Was Zabriskie close enough behind Boonen that his total time is still lower than Boonen's?

Can someone explain to me how it is that Boonen has won the last two stages yet isn't wearing the yellow jersey? I'm kinda confused here. Was Zabriskie close enough behind Boonen that his total time is still lower than Boonen's?
Yes that about sums it up. Boonen is still a 1' 09" back. I think he was 1'49" back after the TT.
He has moved from 40th to 13th in 2 stages.
Here is a link to the overall standing.
http://www.letour.fr/2005/TDF/LIVE/us/300/classement/ITG.html

Let's not forget he pulled out of his cleat at the start=the time he got beat by?

Jan is a fantastic der, and yes, he did take quite a spill just before the tour which's not going to help him. However, you don't go into the tour and make a half-hearted effort. If he entered the race, he and his team must think he's really in top form. Seems to me though that in all the times he's come in second to Lance, Jan has never learned the secret to winning the tour. Seems he's always a little overweight at the start, his riding style has not changed over the years - in general just not as focused. Pre-race crash or not, I just don't see that his heart is in it.

looks like lance is 2 seconds behind Zabriskie overall... and why is it that on that particular last stage everyone is listed as 0 seconds back?

Not to get technical, but again from the TDF site
"19:06 - Armstrong Leads The Stage
Armstrong’s time is 3" faster than Zabriskie with 4.1km to go. It appears that the defending champion could start tomorrow’s stage in the yellow jersey. He has a lead of about 100m on his one-minute man, Jan Ullrich."

Yeah, I remember seeing that he was actually UP on Zabriskie, then somehow he managed to finish behind him. I found that rather interesting.

looks like lance is 2 seconds behind Zabriskie overall... and why is it that on that particular last stage everyone is listed as 0 seconds back?

When the pack finishes in a bunch sprint everyone gets the same time. his is done so that the GC contenders don't have to go get into a big mess with the sprinters and potentially causing a crash. If there is a pack and inside the last km (this may have switched to 3 km) then everyone that was in that pack before the crash gets the same time even if they went down or got stuck behind the crash.

Its because of the mass finish rule.

If you're in the peloton, you get the time of the first person to cross the line. Actually, any group of riders.

So if the peloton consisted of all the riders, everyone would get the same time, even if the last person came in a minute later.

GC contenders? Not really sure what GC stands for... This is the first time I've ever even remotely paid attention to the TdF. Well, there was one time back when Indurain won a few that I paid attention. :p

GC=General Classification or the overall race win.

I more or less assumed that you were referring to the "overall time" standing or whatever... It's just that GC never really rung a bell in my head. It was just annoying the absolute crap out of me that I couldn't figure out what exactly the G and C stood for despite the fact that I knew more or less what you were referring to. :p I'm really anal-retentive like that.

This TTT looks like it'll be a pretty interesting thing. I probably won't get to watch it, though. I get off work in a few minutes and I think it comes on at 8:30? I'll be too busy riding home to catch any of it.

Can someone explain to me how it is that Boonen has won the last two stages yet isn't wearing the yellow jersey? I'm kinda confused here. Was Zabriskie close enough behind Boonen that his total time is still lower than Boonen's?

Boonen is competing for the "points" championship, which became a regular part of the Tour in 1953. To keep the flat stages from putting everyone to sleep, "points" are awarded for the fastest time between Town "B" and Town "C", and, of course, for winning a stage. In 2004, Boonen won the "points" competion, although he finished the Tour in 120th place, just ahead of a three legged dog, and an elderly lady on a three-wheeled bike. He was THREE hours behind Lance in total time. But, he got a "Green" jersey as "fastest sprinter" in the Tour.

The 2005 version of the "points" game involves hiding in the middle of the Peloton until a "points" competition begins. Then, a big, beefy "lead-out" rider pulls Boonen to the front of the Peloton and Boonen pedals like mad for two minutes, thereby beating the Peloton to Town "B" by a few seconds. Then, Boonen resumes hiding in the middle of the Peloton.

When the race reaches the mountains, some of the sprinters will just up and quit ("I got the flu"). Others hang off the back of the Peloton, trying to avoid elimination. Eventually, a guy like Boonen reaches Paris, but it may be in 120th place and three hours behind the winner.

But, for winning sprint after sprint, the "points winner" gets a "Green Jersey" and is proclaimed the "fastest rider" in the Tour. Only the French could invent a prize for a guy who did not finish in the top 100 riders. It is like if the Olympics gave a "Gold" medal to the guy who wins the marathon, but then gave a "Green" medal to the guy who was fastest between miles two and eight and then was behind 100 runners at the finish line.

By the way, those of us who have followed the Tour for three decades know that the "Green" jersey was once awarded to men of honor...men who rode hard in EVERY stage, and not merely during the last two minutes of the easiest stages. Each of them has won the Tour by finishing FIRST in the GC, and each has also won the green jersey: Ferdi Kubler, Jan Janssen, Eddie Merkx (won green three times), and Bernard Hinault.

Folks who think that young Mr. Boonen has earned a place in Tour de France history that is equal to Merckx and Hinault do not understand the history of the Tour. The history of the Tour is written about the men who ride hard every day, every stage, and ride to win, NOT merely to get a green jersey and 120th place in Paris.

Of course, Laggard will soon respond with the sort of "well thought out", and "carefully reasoned" response that has become his trademark: name calling and profanity.

Just ignore Alan. He doesn't love our sport or really understand it. He's what we commonly call a jackass.

What was Jan doing "drafting" that car anyways? Seems like he's cheating his training ride anyways.

Nobody is saying much about Zabriskie's time because he had an enormous tailwind going off the coast which had stopped and was reversing by the time the big guys went.

"enormous" tailwind..............check the weather again, more BS and spin trying make it look worse and LA's ride look better, ya he had a tailwind, barely, it was hardly enormous, everyone needs to face up the the fact that Zabriskie is fast,very fast, and this isnt the first time he's done well in a time trial, its not a fluke occurrence

I know there's alot of blind lance worshipping going on, but sheesh, lets take these events for what they are, LA has a history of not letting up for anything, he races to win, and he prefers to rip the other guys legs off given the chance, he would have gladly beat Zabriskie by 5 minutes if he could have, yellow jersey or not.

"enormous" tailwind..............check the weather again, more BS and spin trying make it look worse and LA's ride look better, ya he had a tailwind, barely, it was hardly enormous, everyone needs to face up the the fact that Zabriskie is fast,very fast, and this isnt the first time he's done well in a time trial, its not a fluke occurrence

I know there's alot of blind lance worshipping going on, but sheesh, lets take these events for what they are, LA has a history of not letting up for anything, he races to win, and he prefers to rip the other guys legs off given the chance, he would have gladly beat Zabriskie by 5 minutes if he could have, yellow jersey or not.

I don't know that I agree with this. Lance wants to win the TdF not the opening TT. Maybe I am a blind worshipper but I don't think Lance wanted to win the yellow jersey in the first stage. It takes effort to defend the yellow and extra time at the end of the day for podium appearances and interviews. I believe that Lance would rather wait a couple days although the timing of the team time trial is likely going to result with Lance in the yellow jersey today.

And now, the evolution of the term []DVVN3|)11!1!111


In the beginning, there was Owned, as in "I owned that furniture before I sold it." And it was good.

Lo, it was not to be. The dark ages would fall. Those calling themselves l33+ (coming from the term elite), bastardized the poor word to fit their own evil doing. And it was not good. Owned now was a put down, as in "I owned that n00b omgrofl!". There was no rejoycing.

The l33+ HaX0Rz of the Counterstrike pursuesion continued to adapt the poor bastardized verb to their own nefarious needs. There was a shism in the higher l33+ HaX0rz. On the one side, owned became Own3d!. The other higher l33+ used the term Pwned. Both evolved so the more l33+ of the HaX0Rz could embaress the less l33+. Eventually, those that sided with "Pwned" won, and all were converted to using the term. This left the more l33+ Hax0rs with no way to put down the n00bz, so they further mutated "Owned" into Pwn3d!. Since then, it has undergone more evolution, the more l33+ leading the charge, always staying a step ahead of the less l33+ of the HaX0Rz.

Once a proper verb, Owned has been bastardized beyond saving. When once furniture was owned, now n00bz are "OMFG PWN3D!!!111!111 ROFL!!!!!!!!11". It is a sad state of affairs.
Bwuahaha. True funnyism!

Boonen is competing for the "points" championship, which became a regular part of the Tour in 1953. To keep the flat stages from putting everyone to sleep, "points" are awarded for the fastest time between Town "B" and Town "C", and, of course, for winning a stage. In 2004, Boonen won the "points" competion, although he finished the Tour in 120th place, just ahead of a three legged dog, and an elderly lady on a three-wheeled bike. He was THREE hours behind Lance in total time. But, he got a "Green" jersey as "fastest sprinter" in the Tour.

The "points" game involves hiding in the middle of the Peloton until a "points" competition begins. Then, a big, beefy "lead-out" rider pulls Boonen to the front of the Peloton and Boonen pedals like mad for two minutes, thereby beating the Peloton to Town "B" by a few seconds. Then, Boonen resumes hiding in the middle of the Peloton.

When the race reaches the mountains, some of the sprinters just up and quit ("I got the flu"). Others hang off the back of the Peloton, trying to avoid elimination. Eventually, a guy like Boonen reaches Paris, but it may be in 120th place and three hours behind the winner.

But, for winning sprint after sprint, the "points winner" gets a "Green Jersey" and is proclaimed the "fastest rider" in the Tour. Only the French could invent a prize for a guy who did not finish in the top 100 riders. It is like if the Olympics gave a "Gold" medal to the guy who wins the marathon, but then gave a "Green" medal to the guy who was fastest between miles two and eight and then was behind 100 runners at the finish line.

So true. Sad when one has to give out awards to somebody who finisehs 120th place. Purely sad.

Boonen is competing for the "points" championship, which became a regular part of the Tour in 1953. To keep the flat stages from putting everyone to sleep, "points" are awarded for the fastest time between Town "B" and Town "C", and, of course, for winning a stage. In 2004, Boonen won the "points" competion, although he finished the Tour in 120th place, just ahead of a three legged dog, and an elderly lady on a three-wheeled bike. He was THREE hours behind Lance in total time. But, he got a "Green" jersey as "fastest sprinter" in the Tour.

The "points" game involves hiding in the middle of the Peloton until a "points" competition begins. Then, a big, beefy "lead-out" rider pulls Boonen to the front of the Peloton and Boonen pedals like mad for two minutes, thereby beating the Peloton to Town "B" by a few seconds. Then, Boonen resumes hiding in the middle of the Peloton.

When the race reaches the mountains, some of the sprinters just up and quit ("I got the flu"). Others hang off the back of the Peloton, trying to avoid elimination. Eventually, a guy like Boonen reaches Paris, but it may be in 120th place and three hours behind the winner.

But, for winning sprint after sprint, the "points winner" gets a "Green Jersey" and is proclaimed the "fastest rider" in the Tour. Only the French could invent a prize for a guy who did not finish in the top 100 riders. It is like if the Olympics gave a "Gold" medal to the guy who wins the marathon, but then gave a "Green" medal to the guy who was fastest between miles two and eight and then was behind 100 runners at the finish line.

That's pretty much how I was seeing it... just kinda sitting around with his finger up his butt until someone says "ok, points time" at which time he pedals his butt off, scores a few points and falls back. I don't find the early stages in the TdF to be all that interesting. 100 guys all finishing in a huge pack and being given the exact same finish time. Man, I wanna see someone just walk away from everyone else... cross the finish line, take a leak, eat a hamburger and finally the second & third rider cruise their way across the finish line. :p

That's pretty much how I was seeing it... just kinda sitting around with his finger up his butt until someone says "ok, points time" at which time he pedals his butt off, scores a few points and falls back. I don't find the early stages in the TdF to be all that interesting. 100 guys all finishing in a huge pack and being given the exact same finish time. Man, I wanna see someone just walk away from everyone else... cross the finish line, take a leak, eat a hamburger and finally the second & third rider cruise their way across the finish line. :p

Hahahah. Hopefully it wouldn't be like that British female runner.

If you finish in the peleton in the road stages no time is added or subtracted, so all the results stay the same until there is some good wins..

And Boonen is in the green for the points he has for winning the last two stages(current as of July 5 11:00 EST)

Go Quick Step!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF? LA gets beat in a TT and he still gets a defense? According to Crowe he wasn't to happy about having to wear the green jersey.
From the TDF site. "Zabriskie burst out of the start house, slipped into his aero tuck and covered the 19km stage at an average of 54.676km/h – it was fast enough to eclipse the efforts of Greg Lemond’s famous victory on the Champs Elysees at the end of the 1989 Tour."
He beat a record that has stood for 15 years and that LA was unable to best, yet, all OLN can talk about is LA and Crowe and LA. I'm really starting to hate this dude.

Lance threw his helmet on the floor in anger when he found out he lost. Lance was Zabriskie's *****.

Didn't know he was unhappy about it. I assumed since he eased up so much he must have been told to come in second, so he wouldn't have to defend the jersey so early in le tour.

Didn't know he was unhappy about it. I assumed since he eased up so much he must have been told to come in second, so he wouldn't have to defend the jersey so early in le tour.

And it could all be an act :p and maybe it's not. Oh the unanswered questions. I actually got to watch the end of the race and the coolest part about that TT was when Lance took over Ullrich.

I happened to be at the Britton's bike shop getting ready to try out some bikes. One of the racers/riders there had a joke. He said that on the back of each one of the racers where they have the numbers, Lance had a special one so that he could clip it down as he passed somebody that said "You're my ____!". Quite funny though in this case Zabrowske probably could have gotten to wear it though the Ullrich takeover was pretty awesome regardless that Lance lost to Zabrowske or regardless of whether Lance purposefully slacked off or just couldn't hang.

No helmet crash into window.....but nobody mentions this. Only how "great" lance is.

You think we are a little biased?

What was he thinking? It really confuses me why he wouldn't wear one. I would understand him not wearing one if they didn't wear one during the race - but even if you don't care about safety, wouldn't you wear it to help feel comfortable with wearing it for the actual race? In the rain... motor pacing... ugh.

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thats hilarious! except I totaly beat you to it.

2 days ago....


PWNED

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