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zebano
 
Anand Tech Off Topic was talking about (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=1643129&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear) Chicago Ticketing Bikers (reg. required) (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0507200234jul20,1,3638903.story?page=1&coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed) .

Many irate car drivers voiced anti-bike sentiment and I responded with the following. Was there a better way to say this (I feel like I addressed cyclists more than cagers), how do you deal with this type of anger?


I commute to work 3-5 times a week by bike (it's fun and good exercise). To some of you pissed off motorist please calm down...

These are common sense rules of the road for bicycles (I have lived in Minneapolis and now Iowa which is much calmer)...

1. A bike is defined as a motor vehicle. In some states, there are exceptions whereby you can ride on the sidewalk; If you bike at any decent speed 10+ mph this can be very dangerous. How many people stop behind stopsigns (as is the law)? When you roll practically into the intersection and I come from your left (often with obstructing trees/bushes/houses) at 18mph, how much of a chance do I have to avoid you?

2. Riding in the street. I know many routes to work. I have optimized them so that I do not have to ride on any roads with a speed limit > 35mph except for 2 blocks (45mph). These are primarily residential streets, and by going almost 20mph I don't feel I am an undue obstruction.

3. Taking the Lane This is what bikers call it when they move out into the middle of the street. This is done due to an observed psychological phenomenon: If I ride 1 foot off of the curb or parked cars, cars pass me with 1 foot of clearance, when I ride 3-4 feet off of the curb (my preferance) I receive plenty of clearance by passing motorists. Where I ride, the only way this slows people up is if there are cars parked on both sides, and 2 way traffic, in which case I sprint to the next clearing and move right so cars may pass. THis is common curtesy.

4. Turning. On a bike one of the most dangerous areas to be in is a right turn lane. Do not ride in one unless you are turning right. The reason is many motorists will zip past you and take a right directly in front of you. I don't know if they assume I only do 5mph, but it has happened many times to me. Hence if there is a turn lane, I will occupy the rightmost lane that travels straight. The only time I don't occupy the rightmost lane is to prepare for a left turn which I do just like a car.

5. Red Lights. Just don't run em, you are a motor vehicle.

6. Stop Signs. When cars are around, I stop otherwise I roll through. Putting your foot down is redicoulous, especially if you can track stand (balance the bike w/o moving) for minutes at a time, to make matters worse, many cyclists have to clip their shoes in and out of the pedals.


Cars
Please treat bikes as a slow motorcycle. Passing is fine if you can pass with more than 3 feet of clearance ( if they can touch your car, you are too close). Most will get out of your way ASAP. Also, please do not right hook a bike.


I do all this and still ge t honked/yelled/cussed at. Some people just don't have room in their life for anything that may inconvenience them..
All I ask is that you respect me, and I will do my best to respect (not hinder) you.

Thanks


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genec
 
The one bold mistake is using the term MOTOR vehicles. Bicycles are vehicles... just like a horse drawn wagon... no MOTOR involved.


tippy
 
(1) ... To some of you pissed off motorist...
(2) ... A bike is defined as a motor vehicle ...
(3) ... This is what bikers
(4) ... 5. Red Lights. Just don't run em, you are a motor vehicle
(5) ... 3. ... This is what bikers
(6) ... Stop Signs. When cars are around, I stop otherwise I roll through
(7) ... if they (cyclists) can touch your car, you are too close


(1) Not a good start. Addressing someone (who may be angry at you) with a derogatory title generally doesn't gain much headway. Using a less confrontational description would be better (ie concerned motorists).
(2) In Florida, a bike operated on a public roadway is a vehicle not a motor vehicle.
(3) Bikers are operators of motorcycles ... cyclists are operators of bicycles. Both operate vehicles.
(4) I thought you were addressing cyclists ... cyclists are not motor vehicles. Cyclists do not operate motor vehicles (at least not while they're on bicycles) ... cyclists operate (bicycle) vehicles.
(5) same as (3)
(6) In some states a stop sign is by traffic law the same as a stop light. You advocate stopping at a light but "roll through" a sign? What exactly are you advocating? You want these "motorists" to treat you like all the other vehicles and then you advocate violating basic traffic law? Why? Because you're on a bicycle? This is not going to convince motorists to accept you as a fellow vehicle on the roadway.
(7) Actually, not a bad point ...

I know that this letter was written with good intentions but in my opinion it could have used less from the heart and emotions and a little more from the noodle. Try a little later when the anger has subsided (if it ever will). Good luck with this effort and hope good things come from it.

d.tipton


webist
 
Tippy makes excellent points. I'd make the additional observation that some of your motoring audience will also be cyclists, and nearly all of your cycling audience will also be motorists.

I am always sensitive to the flame wars that occur on these threads when I am being attacked as an SUV operator or a motorist. Neither cycling nor motoring encompasses the whole of my identity and generally I resent those who choose to so categorize me, particularly when they generalize.


LCI_Brian
 
#2 comes off as too apologetic, IMO.

#3 Taking the lane. This is what cyclists do when they move from the edge of the road when the lane is too narrow to safely share. (etc.)

Otherwise, not bad - or at least better than my first attempt at advocacy!


oboeguy
 
OP you should know better than to try to educate the car-crazed ATOT members!


eubi
 
Cars
Please treat bikes as a slow motorcycle. Passing is fine if you can pass with more than 3 feet of clearance ( if they can touch your car, you are too close). Most will get out of your way ASAP. Also, please do not right hook a bike.

What does it mean to "right hook" a bike?

"We" know, but do "They" know?

Basically a good article. Tippy has good points to make it better.


kuan
 
I think it's great that cops are handing out warnings and eventually tickets. The fact is that cyclists are getting noticed. The important thing is that motorists are reading about it and understanding that cyclists are subject to the same laws and have the same rights as motor vehicles!


Dahon.Steve
 
I think it's great that cops are handing out warnings and eventually tickets. The fact is that cyclists are getting noticed. The important thing is that motorists are reading about it and understanding that cyclists are subject to the same laws and have the same rights as motor vehicles!

The municipal court is a joke. This is nothing more than a revenue source for the city and if you should ever attend, you'll see drunk driving tickets and a host of illegal activities disgarded. The fines are enforced based on what lawyer you bring with you to court and not by the DMV handbook.

If you want to play by the rules fine. Those with money (Lawyer) do not have to play by the rules.


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