General Cycling Discussion - More daylight hours to ride!!

Hopefully a bill is going to be passed in congress that will
give an extra week of daylight in the fall and three in the
spring. I'm all for this. Why not have more daylight during
the hours most people can enjoy it--in the evening?
After looking on the web, i found a bunch of, um.."folks"
who, apparently, like it to be dark at 5:00pm! --Prolly
stationary trainer company employee's...

Any thoughts on this?

um.."folks"
who, apparently, like it to be dark at 5:00pm! --Prolly
stationary trainer company employee's...

nah....most likely Cateye employees...

Why not have DT year round?

Why not have DT year round?

Exactly! Why not just roll the clocks ahead 2 hours, and then be done with it forever? :D

Why not have DT year round?
Exactly! Apparently since it's cold that part of the
year, it should be dark too...puleeze.

During the energy crisis of the seventies, I believe the country tried DST all year.

It was no fun waiting for the school bus in upstate NY in cold predawn darkness.

The extended DST hours should keep everyone happy.

In the winter of '75 I was in japan installing radars on a ship so I didn't experince it but they eliminated what I call "moonlight saving time" to save energy. That was the time of the first energy crisis. They cancelled it because (some clamed) that it was too dangerious for kids standing by the road waiting for the school bus to come.

Joe

I vote for 24 hours of daylight.

Jim

I vote for 24 hours of daylight.

Jim....by becoming bi-polar.... :)

According to NPR this morning, it's not 1 week but rather a 2 month extension, and will go into effect in 2007.

Exactly! Apparently since it's cold that part of the
year, it should be dark too...puleeze.

I just love getting up at 4 am (sun time) to leave for work at 530 am (sun time) and arriving at work at 630 am (sun time) half an hour before the sun comes up. In the winter, daylight savings time means that it's an hour colder too. Thanks for nothin', Congress!

According to NPR this morning, it's not 1 week but rather a 2 month extension, and will go into effect in 2007.

Only one month. 3 weeks in March and 1 week in November. For Denver that means the sun comes up at 730 in the morning (roughly) and sets at 1800 (roughly).

Sometimes I think congress does things just to say they did something.

I just love getting up at 4 am (sun time) to leave for work at 530 am (sun time) and arriving at work at 630 am (sun time) half an hour before the sun comes up. In the winter, daylight savings time means that it's an hour colder too. Thanks for nothin', Congress!

Weekends are heaven to me. Pretty much discard any indication of the passage of time) Get up a little before sunrise (don't care what "time it is") go for a ride (don't care what time I leave or return), maybe go out for a row or sailing (don't care what time I leave or return). try not to do any work. If im hungry, when I'm tired, I fall asleep.

Weekdays suck. Sun comes up around 5:30, sets around 8 Have to work 9-5. Bill my clients by the hour. At least i'm not conditioned to get lunch at noon or diner at six.

I'll take those extra arbitrary hours

Sometimes I think congress does things just to say they did something.

In the case of daylight saving time, it's for golf and the barbeque industry. They made around $150 million each more in sales when the clocks were moved around the last time. They hope to cash in big this time. Luckily the Senate kept the change to only a month instead of 2.

In the case of daylight saving time, it's for golf and the barbeque industry. They made around $150 million each more in sales when the clocks were moved around the last time. They hope to cash in big this time. Luckily the Senate kept the change to only a month instead of 2.
...siding with the stationary trainer/prozac industries are we.... :)

Day lignt savings sucks! Every change screws up your body clock for a month.
Joe

I prefer that they just keep standard time all year long. I don't need an extra hour of sunshine during the summer months. It sets much too late in June and July.

Though I'm retired, I am still an early riser, 4-5am. I like having the early daylight in the morning hours.

...siding with the stationary trainer/prozac industries are we.... :)

Nope. I've ridden a stationary trainer once in my life. It was so incredibly boring that I never went back. I'd rather freeze then ride a damned hamster wheel! On the other hand, I use my bicycle to get back and forth to work more than as a recreational device so I guess I'll just have to freeze a bit longer because I refuse to carry my bicycle to work on my gas guzzler so that I can take advantage of an hour extra daylight for a ride. I have a bit more respect for the planet than that.

I vote for 24 hours of daylight.

Jim


I vote for 24 hours of night time. I love the dark and I miss the cold.

I think the DST supporters should be forced to commute by bike at 5pm in Texas during June through August. They will quickly discovery why moving the hottest time of the day from 4 to 5pm was a bad idea.

I think the DST supporters should be forced to commute by bike at 5pm in Texas during June through August. They will quickly discovery why moving the hottest time of the day from 4 to 5pm was a bad idea.
No matter what you do with this issue, you will piss someone off. People work/commute at all different times, so it would be impossible to please 100% of the public with any alteration or lack thereof.

I'd rather not lose the hour in the AM. Too dark.

I just love getting up at 4 am (sun time) to leave for work at 530 am (sun time) and arriving at work at 630 am (sun time) half an hour before the sun comes up. In the winter, daylight savings time means that it's an hour colder too. Thanks for nothin', Congress!

Cripes... takes you an Hour and a Half to get ready for work???

I hear ya on the COLD winter riding!!!

Cripes... takes you an Hour and a Half to get ready for work???

I hear ya on the COLD winter riding!!!

Yea. Read the paper, go to the bathroom while reading the paper, eat breakfast while reading the paper, finish the funnies, pack my bag and get out the door. Did I mention that I like to read my paper in the morning?

I just love getting up at 4 am (sun time) to leave for work at 530 am (sun time) and arriving at work at 630 am (sun time) half an hour before the sun comes up. In the winter, daylight savings time means that it's an hour colder too. Thanks for nothin', Congress!

Some of us would like to train/cycle/commute in the warmer, lighted afternoon hours. But because of a multitude of reasons, must rise earlier to do what we love. As I understand this, this will rob morning light to pay the late afternoon. This wouldn't be that helpful to the morning people.

From a neighbourly point of view, imagine the hassle of crossing the north/south border - no not Mason/Dixon! - only to find that you have somehow travelled time?

Yeah yeah, who cares, if it makes sense, just do it. As an outsider, and someone who lives in a weird land that doesn't "save" daylight-ever, I just don't think this makes sense.

Yea. Read the paper, go to the bathroom while reading the paper, eat breakfast while reading the paper, finish the funnies, pack my bag and get out the door. Did I mention that I like to read my paper in the morning?

ok ok ok Must be that dayum Rocky Mt News LOL

What you want to know about DST: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/index.html

Before there can be Daylight Saving Time, there needs to be standard time. That happened in 1918, by the Standard Time Act of 1918 in the Federal Congress (USA), which also set DST to start at the end of March. The law got repealed and the Roosevelt set up "War Time" which was year round DST during WWII. There was a period of non-standard time around the country which LBJ ended with the Uniform Time Act in '66. Nixon setup Emergency DST which lasted for 15 months. In '86 is when the laws were setup as we know the DST schedule to be.

So basically, no one really knows what the hell time it is, except maybe phycists, but even they say it's all relative :P

ok ok ok Must be that dayum Rocky Mt News LOL

I'm not that pleased with the editorial content but it's easier to read while contemplating on the porcelain throne. The Post has better stuff but I don't like doing origami in the morning. Not before I've had coffee anyway (I have that at work).

Some of us would like to train/cycle/commute in the warmer, lighted afternoon hours. But because of a multitude of reasons, must rise earlier to do what we love. As I understand this, this will rob morning light to pay the late afternoon. This wouldn't be that helpful to the morning people.

From a neighbourly point of view, imagine the hassle of crossing the north/south border - no not Mason/Dixon! - only to find that you have somehow travelled time?

Yeah yeah, who cares, if it makes sense, just do it. As an outsider, and someone who lives in a weird land that doesn't "save" daylight-ever, I just don't think this makes sense.

That's one of the arguments against daylight saving time. It's going to cost the airline industry millions to adjust their schedules to fit the rest of the world. Considering that the US signed an international treaty in the 50s promising to keep daylight saving time to only 6 months a year like the rest of the world our current set up is clearly illegal. But then I suppose we could talk to any number of Native American tribes about our national promises, couldn't we?

What you want to know about DST: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/index.html

Before there can be Daylight Saving Time, there needs to be standard time. That happened in 1918, by the Standard Time Act of 1918 in the Federal Congress (USA), which also set DST to start at the end of March. The law got repealed and the Roosevelt set up "War Time" which was year round DST during WWII. There was a period of non-standard time around the country which LBJ ended with the Uniform Time Act in '66. Nixon setup Emergency DST which lasted for 15 months. In '86 is when the laws were setup as we know the DST schedule to be.

So basically, no one really knows what the hell time it is, except maybe phycists, but even they say it's all relative :P

Actually it is currently 0500 zulu 7/29 (Universal standard time).

Hey, Cycco. It looks like its mostly you and me here. Why don't we start our own time zone. It would be great. It could be bike based and have a variable that allows the time to shift according to wind speed, hill grade and weather.

Cyclists would then alsways be on time and have some extra time to change and "freshen up" after a ride.

Of course, there would have to be some provision for TTs. Call it BURP. Bicycle Universal Realignment Provision.

Whatcha think?

That's one of the arguments against daylight saving time. It's going to cost the airline industry millions to adjust their schedules to fit the rest of the world.

Umm how does changing what time time of the day we have sunlight have any effect on airlines? We can fly in the dark you know.

Umm how does changing what time time of the day we have sunlight have any effect on airlines? We can fly in the dark you know.

Good question. Currently, if it is 6 p.m. In Toronto, Canada, it is also 6 p.m. in New York City. Same time Zone. Now if the US changes it's time zone. 6 p.m. in Toronto becomes 7 p.m. in New York. So airlines, truckers, trains, busses, stock exchanges, border crossing girl scout groups would have to change their schedules to accomodate. Yes, these are only administrative changes (on paper, on screen etc.) but the necessary programing, coordinating and extra work has been estimated to cost business, even American ones millions of dollars.

Of course the option is for every other country to do the same thing. Yeah, like that would happen. they can't even agree to disagree on the Kyoto accord - this is all about saving energy isn't it....hmmm.

After looking on the web, i found a bunch of, um.."folks"
who, apparently, like it to be dark at 5:00pm! --Prolly
stationary trainer company employee's...

Any thoughts on this?
I am originally from Indiana and my whole life up until next April clocks in most of the state have been about an hour ahead of "sun time" year round because Indiana is in the Eastern Time Zone despite being physically in Central. In my opinion, having clocks an hour fast in March and November sucks. For me, light in the morning is far more important than light in the evening. But then again, I don't like it in the summer either. It is harder to go to sleep at a decent hour if the sun is still up. Maybe I am just a retrogrouch when it comes to clocks. :)

Back to Indiana. Starting next April most of Indiana will be almost two hours ahead of "sun time" until the end of October since the state will start observing DST. Maybe all you late sunset lovers should move to Indianapolis! :p

And to pick nits with your headline, there will not be any more daylight to ride or do anything else. The clock hands will just be pointing differently.

dark all the time would be good. it would keep those damn locust's shut up. god damned them! why do i need to hear that crap at 8pm? why?

Considering that the US signed an international treaty in the 50s promising to keep daylight saving time to only 6 months a year like the rest of the world our current set up is clearly illegal. But then I suppose we could talk to any number of Native American tribes about our national promises, couldn't we?

Are you saying that the US has a longer DST than Europe by a whole month? If you consult the link I posted, also posted with the relevant page below, you'll realize that indeed the US has longer than a 6 month period of DST. It's from the first Sunday in April until the last Sunday of October. A total of 7 months. However, on that same page you'll notice that EU starts their DST earlier than the USA (always in March), and ends on the same day. Seeing as there have been changes to DST numerous times in the US and in Europe I doubt any treaty signed in the 50s is still in effect between these two entities (not that the EU even existed to sign a treaty back then, it would have be other nations). Also, from 1945 to 1966, there was no federal law about Daylight Saving Time. So states and localities were free to choose whether to observe Daylight Saving Time and could choose when it began and ended. Thus I'm not sure than any such treaty ever existed.

When DST is observed: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html