Advocacy & Safety - How to Counter Conservative Bike-Haters

BH = bike-hater

BH: Get off the road and onto the sidewalk where you belong!

YOU: Are you a Conservative?

BH: Yes!

YOU: Do you believe in the Rule of Law?

BH: Yes!

YOU: Do you believe that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives you a right to own a firearms, regardless of what other people, organizations, or governmental agencies "feel" about that right?

BH: Yes!

YOU: Well, State Law allows me to operate my vehicle (bicycle) on the road. That is what the law states. I'm all for the Rule of Law, so I'm going to ride on the road regardless of what you think, just as you will own and use your gun regardless of what I may think.

That's a really good arguement. However, in real life, the conversation would probably go like this:

BH: Get off the road and onto the sidewalk where you belong!

YOU: Are you a Conservative?

BH: What did you say, panty-boy?

YOU: Do you believe in the Rule of Law?

BH: I believe in lycra-covered road kill!

YOU: Do you believe that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives you a right to own a firearms, regardless of what other people, organizations, or governmental agencies "feel" about that right?

BH: How about a Ford F150 tread mark on your face, panty-boy! (cracks open a beer while turning the steering wheel)

YOU: Well, State Law allows me to operate my vehicle . . .AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! (CRUNCH!) :)

You can't reason with the unreasonable. ;)

how are you going to have this conversation while riding lol


This doesn't seem reasonable

All conservatives are unreasonable????....or just some??

Only conservatives are jackazzes to bicylists? :roflmao:

Only conservatives own guns?? :eek:

Where the hell have I been?? :rolleyes:

That's a really good arguement. However, in real life, the conversation would probably go like this:

BH: Get off the road and onto the sidewalk where you belong!

YOU: Are you a Conservative?

BH: What did you say, panty-boy?

YOU: Do you believe in the Rule of Law?

BH: I believe in lycra-covered road kill!

YOU: Do you believe that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives you a right to own a firearms, regardless of what other people, organizations, or governmental agencies "feel" about that right?

BH: How about a Ford F150 tread mark on your face, panty-boy! (cracks open a beer while turning the steering wheel)

YOU: Well then, how do you like the taste of hot lead you beer-bellied, mullet-wearing, no-teeth sack of rancid lard.... (as pop a cap or 2 through the winshield and take out the looser

I've found bike-hating to span the political spectrum.

YOU: ...you beer-bellied, mullet-wearing, no-teeth sack of rancid lard....

Funny someone using that description while having "Aqualung" as an avatar.

"Sitting on a park bench --
eyeing ittle girls with bad intent.
Snot running down his nose --
greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes.
Drying in the cold sun --
Watching as the frilly panties run.
Feeling like a dead duck --
spitting out pieces of his broken luck."

As a bicycle enthusiast, and a NRA member, I'd like to say that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I live in an affluent part of New Jersey, and, from my observation, the wealthiest people tend to be the most liberal. I've also observed that the wealthy, liberal people who prattle on about the environment, racism, and dozens of other trendy causes, tend to drive the largest, most expensive and fuel inefficient vehicles. They will also run down any bicyclist that gets in their way when they are driving their Mercedes SLK to the latest charity for Africa golf tournament.

Perhaps you'd like to rethink your tired, old stereotypes.

As a bicycle enthusiast, and a NRA member, I'd like to say that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I live in an affluent part of New Jersey, and, from my observation, the wealthiest people tend to be the most liberal. I've also observed that the wealthy, liberal people who prattle on about the environment, racism, and dozens of other trendy causes, tend to drive the largest, most expensive and fuel inefficient vehicles. They will also run down any bicyclist that gets in their way when they are driving their Mercedes SLK to the latest charity for Africa golf tournament.

Perhaps you'd like to rethink your tired, old stereotypes.

You should re think your cause im a poor liberal with a old caprice... and i watch out for cyclist.. i do like guns thow...

Perhaps you'd like to rethink your tired, old stereotypes.
Because your fresh, new stereotypes are better?

Because your fresh, new stereotypes are better?

Live in suburban New Jersey for a while and tell me if these are stereotypes. The liberals around here are total frauds and hypocrites.

Can we just stop this divisive nonsense. Folks who disrespect cyclists come from all categories.

Cylists will do best if we address everyone equally and not target specific groups based on unfounded stererotypes.

Al

This thread is an obvious candidate for the political forum.

Don't know what politics has to do with bike hating.

WTF? How did bike hating become a conservative thing? :mad: It's not even really a political thing. It's cultural.

Cars have become engrained into our cultural conciousness. You're judged by the size/cost/brand of car you drive. People dislike bikes because we're outside the norm and because of a vain sense of self-entitlement(why are you in my way on the road).

Before this thread gets all political (oops, too late!) I don't believe that the intention of the OP was to say that all conservatives are bike haters or that all bike haters are conservatives (or any other combination of the words "conservaties" and "bike haters" that I forgot to mention).

Rather I think the point was that if you encounter a bike hater who also happens to be a conservative, you can use his/her argument against him/herself.

To keep things balanced, here is a similar scenario:

BH: Get off the road and onto the sidewalk where you belong!

YOU: Are you a Liberal?

BH: Yes!

YOU: Do you believe in environmentalism?

BH: Yes!

YOU: Do you believe that the US should take a firm stance on perserving wildlife, conserving natural resources and promoting sustainable lifestyles?

BH: Yes!

YOU: Well then maybe you should get out of your SUV and start riding a bike instead of running over them.

What about conservative bike riders? Or are conservatives not allowed to ride bikes? How do you counter a driver of a Prius with a Greenpeace sticker on the bumper and a taped in Kerry Edwards sticker in the window that runs you into a curb?

What a bunch of self righteous morons.

Funny someone using that description while having "Aqualung" as an avatar.

"Sitting on a park bench --
eyeing ittle girls with bad intent.
Snot running down his nose --
greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes.
Drying in the cold sun --
Watching as the frilly panties run.
Feeling like a dead duck --
spitting out pieces of his broken luck."

Yes...but did he harrass bikers?

Live in suburban New Jersey for a while and tell me if these are stereotypes. The liberals around here are total frauds and hypocrites.
Then perhaps you should live in Houston for a while before accusing the OP of stereotyping.

BH scenario in Florida (thanks to Gov. Jeb Bush and a CWC permit):

BH: Get off the road and onto the sidewalk where you belong!

YOU: [single-digit salute]

BH: Why, I'm gonna run you off the road!

YOU: [sliding up left side of jersey to reveal holstered .40-caliber semi-automatic handgun]

BH: [glum silence]

BH scenario in Florida (thanks to Gov. Jeb Bush and a CWC permit):

BH: Get off the road and onto the sidewalk where you belong!

YOU: [single-digit salute]

BH: Why, I'm gonna run you off the road!

YOU: [sliding up left side of jersey to reveal holstered .40-caliber semi-automatic handgun]

BH: [glum silence]

Can I add

Gun: boom

you ride on in peace :D

What about conservative bike riders? Or are conservatives not allowed to ride bikes? How do you counter a driver of a Prius with a Greenpeace sticker on the bumper and a taped in Kerry Edwards sticker in the window that runs you into a curb?

What a bunch of self righteous morons.


Excellent post. Seems to be a fair amount of adolescent class-warfare drivel on this forum.

BH: Get off the road and onto the sidewalk where you belong!

YOU: Are you Pro-Life?

BH: Yeah! So What?

YOU: Well, so is my bicycle...

(if that doesn't work: )

YOU: Dubya rides a bike!

(and if that piques their interest, you can start a conversation about how cycling is patriotic, because you do not depend on foreign oil, and then you can start talking about how many cycling advocates also support wilderness preservation, which will ensure quality hunting grounds for generations)

HA!
Yesterday I rode thru the streets of Northampton, MA (for those of you who don't know the place, it's your basic college town Liberalopolis)

I got beeped at twice, flipped off once, and cut off by right turns three times!

By the way... shouldn't this thread be bounced to P&R?

I live in SW Ohio ......a conservative bastian....and the drivers are polite as can be... This must be an alternate universe than the one the OP lives in..

I live in SW Ohio ......a conservative bastian....and the drivers are polite as can be... This must be an alternate universe than the one the OP lives in..

There's a lot of lefty types living in alternate universes around here.

You'll see a lot of Che Guevara/Hammer and Sickle/Chinese Red Star avatars 'round these parts.

I'm surprised we haven't seen a smiling Pol Pot thrown in for good measure!

How do you determine the politics of the harasser? What do you say if it is a liberal bike hater?

Paul

Yes...but did he harrass bikers?

Only if they were little girls...

BH = bike-hater

BH: Get off the road and onto the sidewalk where you belong!

YOU: Are you a Conservative?

BH: Yes!

YOU: Do you believe in the Rule of Law?

BH: Yes!

YOU: Do you believe that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives you a right to own a firearms, regardless of what other people, organizations, or governmental agencies "feel" about that right?

BH: Yes!

YOU: Well, State Law allows me to operate my vehicle (bicycle) on the road. That is what the law states. I'm all for the Rule of Law, so I'm going to ride on the road regardless of what you think, just as you will own and use your gun regardless of what I may think.

Last year I was riding in Big Bend National Park. As I was climbing up the very steep road into the Chisos mountains pulling a loaded BOB trailer, only one car buzzed close to me. On the back of the car was a John Kerry bumper sticker.

Sterotyping idiot drivers as to their political affiliation is pointless.

2nd amendment is the king of them all..

Only if they were little girls...

No...he only 'eyed them with bad intent'....

BH = bike-hater

BH: Get off the road and onto the sidewalk where you belong!

--- Realistic, real-time response: "Read the law."

An armed society is a polite society.

As a bicycle enthusiast, and a NRA member, I'd like to say that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I live in an affluent part of New Jersey, and, from my observation, the wealthiest people tend to be the most liberal. I've also observed that the wealthy, liberal people who prattle on about the environment, racism, and dozens of other trendy causes, tend to drive the largest, most expensive and fuel inefficient vehicles. They will also run down any bicyclist that gets in their way when they are driving their Mercedes SLK to the latest charity for Africa golf tournament.

Perhaps you'd like to rethink your tired, old stereotypes.

You are a member of the NRA. Maybe you should rethink.

You are a member of the NRA. Maybe you should rethink.

Rethink what? Do you think NRA members are all loony right-wing reactionaries?

I believe that a person has a right to defend him or herself. I also believe that the "War on Drugs" is unconstitutional and that drugs should be decriminalized. I'm opposed to affirmative action, but I'm also opposed to America's empire building, and the wars that go along with it.

Don't be so quick to pigeon-hole people. In this world there is a tremendous diversity of opinion, that's also true of the membership of large organizations like the NRA.

Come on, a fellow rider and I experienced a bit of *******ry from a driver, female no less, with *another* female, of a VW New Beetle. No way that was a "conservative" or at least they'd not consider themselves as such.

Meanwhile, the guy with the pickup and NRA sticker may have an organic farm and all of Edward Abbey's books on his shelf along with all of Jeff Cooper's and Wayne LaPierre's for that matter. And may stop to help a cyclist in need where I doubt Ms. VW New Beetle stops in any situation to help anyone.

An armed society is a polite society.

i have arms. :D a left one and a right one. I like to think i'm polite even though I don't own weapons.















ok, so i have a BB gun plinker pistol that I don't use ever, but that doesn't count right? Also, i fully support the 2nd amendment and the libertarian stance on it. I just don't happen to own any "guns"

Just so I know, is the reason that the lady in the Beetle could in "no way" be a conservative the fact that she drives a New Beetle?
That strikes me as odd.

Conservative and Liberal are used as labels because they're quick and convenient, not because they're accurate. They're shorthand. Depend on them to describe real people at your peril.

An armed society is a polite society.

That is provably not true. Look around you... Is America really a polite place, in your view? It's sure as hell a heavily armed place!

THIS THREAD BELONGS IN POLITICS AND RELIGION

You should re think your cause im a poor liberal with a old caprice... and i watch out for cyclist.. i do like guns thow...

Well I'm a poor conservative who drives and old Honda. I look out for bicyclists! We really should watch the stereotypes. Good cyclists span the political spectrum.

Drivers fall under a couple of cateories:
-aware and respectful of cyclists
-inattentive/distracted/confused (the majority of bad driving is due to this)
-uncaring toward everthing around them
-agressive toward any 'obsticals' (cyclist or not)
-hateful of cyclists

I'd speculate that political pursuasion has very little to do with being a good or bad driver toward cyclists - or is at best such a small factor as to be within a margin of error of what typically causes bad driver behavior.

So this means that if you are in an area that has more conservatives, then you will have more incident with drivers who are conservative. And if you are in an area with more liberals, then you will have more incidens with liberals. It is so simple.

Al

I'm surprised we haven't seen a smiling Pol Pot thrown in for good measure!

Pol Pot was a chump

This thread is fun.

This morning a Libertarian in a Ford Focus was quite nice to me.

Yesterday, however, a Wallace democrat in old Chevy was a slightly peeved at having to wait at a stoplight as I breezed through it.

Tomorrow, I'll have a dialogue with that centrist Log Cabin gay Republican in the silver BMW about his veering too close to me while ogling that handsome, sweaty construction worker on the street.

But seriously, when I lived in San Francisco, people in Volvos (guess the affiliation) were dangerously self-involved. Oh, and the impatient non-political Asian kids in the little Hondas talking on cell phones were to be avoided.

El Cabron

This thread is fun.

This morning a Libertarian in a Ford Focus was quite nice to me.

Yesterday, however, a Wallace democrat in old Chevy was a slightly peeved at having to wait at a stoplight as I breezed through it.

Tomorrow, I'll have a dialogue with that centrist Log Cabin gay Republican in the silver BMW about his veering too close to me while ogling that handsome, sweaty construction worker on the street.

But seriously, when I lived in San Francisco, people in Volvos (guess the affiliation) were dangerously self-involved. Oh, and the impatient non-political Asian kids in the little Hondas talking on cell phones were to be avoided.

El Cabron


Too funny. :roflmao: