Mandatory Bike Registration

[trick]

My town is looking to require license plates for bikes (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15004038&BRD=1139&PAG=461&dept_id=142642&rfi=6). I didn't even know registration was mandatory... it had always been presented as a rather optional thing. But now they want visible registration on all bikes.

I'm worried about this. Anyone else had experiences with this sort of thing???

[patc]

Well, at a buck for registration the cost certainly isn't prohibitive. I am certainly all for cops stopping cyclists for breaking traffic rules, just as they should be doing for cars, so I have no problems with that either. I do just question the motive, here, and wonder if registration will really have an impact on recovering stolen bikes.

My response to this would be to ask city council and police what they intend to do in terms of bike theft, what the current recovery rate is, what the expected recovery rate is, etc. Do this in a public setting with media present, if possible. If they can't answer the questions, dig for the real motive.

[Gus Riley]

...what they intend to do in terms of bike theft, what the current recovery rate is, what the expected recovery rate is, etc. Do this in a public setting with media present, if possible. If they can't answer the questions, dig for the real motive.

The real motive I'd suspect is money. Another source of funds for the government to rape, pillage, and waste. No other real reason.

I wouldn't accept a license plate on any of my bikes. I'll pay the fines, when/if they even bother to enforce such a law.

[patc]

The real motive I'd suspect is money. Another source of funds for the government to rape, pillage, and waste. No other real reason.

At a $1 per registration?!? Not exactly a cash grab. I would be very surprised if they made a profit on that.

[EnigManiac]

I tend to believe the motive is financial as well as an attempt to control and identify cyclists who breach the laws. I am in full support of citing cyclists who fail to respect the rules of the road and I even support licensing cyclists. I think it should go one step further with mandatory training in order to acquire the license (like a driver's license). However, before I ever advised my municipality that I am in agreement, I'd want assurances in writing that law-enforcement officers would strictly apply the law as it relates to motorists endangering cyclists and not just cyclists who flagrantly disregard traffic laws.

[Roody]

Trick--did you see where you can submit a letter to the editor right on that link you provided? Maybe it would help if you did that?

[Dchiefransom]

Trick--did you see where you can submit a letter to the editor right on that link you provided? Maybe it would help if you did that?

Upper right corner of the page, "Voice Your Opinion".

They just want to be able to identify cyclists that run away when the police try to stop them. Some local citizens are probably complaining that they can't report cyclists that run stop signs, or flip them off when they almost run them over. After this passes, they'll be working on mandatory seat belts for cyclists.

[Slow Train]

Like Councilwoman Christy Welty quoted in the article I don't think this has anything to do with facilitating the return of stolen goods. Bikes already have serial numbers for that purpose. Home theater equipment, TV, and stereos are commenly stolen. Do the police want those to be "registered" as well?

I think the real purpose of this law is to someday make it so that they can "arrest" the bike. Knowing that probably less than 1 in 10 will bother to comply with such a pointless regulation (if they even know about it) the next time they stop a cyclist who has rolled a stop sign they can:

1) Issue him a ticket AND
2) Oh - I see you don't have the required registration on your bike sir. I'm going have to take that from you. You can claim it down at the station when you have paid all your fines! Have a nice day :)

The reason they want it visible from the rear is so they know what cyclists to stop for "traffic infractions".

P.S. - if you really wanted to crack down on bike thefts then equip them with lowjack!

[Roody]

I think Slow Train has hit the nail on the head.

[Chris L]

At a $1 per registration?!? Not exactly a cash grab. I would be very surprised if they made a profit on that.

It's for this reason that I'll be extremely surprised if it actually happens.

Just one question, have they thought about cyclo-tourists from other places that don't have registration (i.e. the rest of the world). Is someone supposed to buy a plate just for a one day stopover?

[Locke on a Bike]

The real motive I'd suspect is money. Another source of funds for the government to rape, pillage, and waste. No other real reason.

I wouldn't accept a license plate on any of my bikes. I'll pay the fines, when/if they even bother to enforce such a law.


No, the real motive of laws like these are to gather as much information about the citizenry, catalouge them, and control them. Part of the fun of riding a bike is the anonnimity--being able to just take your bike and ride it wherever without having to answer to anyone. I don;t think its anyone else's business, especially the government, what type of bike I ride.

Then again, if all bikes are traffic, as CM posits, and should be treated liek traffic, then liscenses and user fees make perfect sense.

[Gus Riley]

At a $1 per registration?!? Not exactly a cash grab. I would be very surprised if they made a profit on that.

A buck per bike can add up pretty fast. My little town of 1400 probably has 300 bicyles in it when you count all of them...kids bikes included. Now think about a city with 1/2 million people...theres a bunch of bikes at a dollar apiece. This is practically free revenue that a city has to do very little to collect and with very little to maintain in return. A rip off by our government...then the insurance companies will want a piece of the pie. They'll get their lobbyists involved and we'll all have to purchase liability insurance too. A slippery slope.

[JRA]

My town is looking to require license plates for bikes (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15004038&BRD=1139&PAG=461&dept_id=142642&rfi=6). I didn't even know registration was mandatory... it had always been presented as a rather optional thing. But now they want visible registration on all bikes.

I'm worried about this. Anyone else had experiences with this sort of thing???
You are right to be worried.

The one legitimate justification for bicycle registration is the recovery of stolen bikes. This can be accomplished by voluntary registration and it does not require a license plate.

Some registration programs are done with good intentions but the costs may be greater than the value of the recovered bikes. If high fees are charged, nobody registers their bikes. If there are stiff penalties for non-registration, the effect is simply to discourage bicycling.

Big downsides are the difficulty and cost of enforcement and the potential for a registration program to become a tool for the harassment of cyclists.

Requiring license plates for bikes is silly. It won't work.

Hopefully, the ordinance requiring visible licence plates won't pass. If it does, the city can expect a decrease in registration and/or a decrease in cycling (maybe that's what they want) and, hopefully, an enforcement nightmare.

For what it's worth, the League of American Bicyclists has postion on registration: League Position on Bicycle Registration (http://www.bikeleague.org/members/bicycleregistration.htm)

[Daily Commute]

One thing to watch out for is if the city only accepts their own license. In many Ohio towns, cyclists must have local licenses to ride. If the laws were actually enforced (which, thankfully, they are not), you'd have to have a license displayed for every town you ride through. Imagine what the bike of a touring bike would look like.

Cities would never require this of cars.

[Chris L]

A buck per bike can add up pretty fast. My little town of 1400 probably has 300 bicyles in it when you count all of them...kids bikes included. Now think about a city with 1/2 million people...theres a bunch of bikes at a dollar apiece. This is practically free revenue that a city has to do very little to collect and with very little to maintain in return.

Not necessarily. First of all they need a database of every bike that's registered under the system, which needs to be set up and maintained. Then the law regarding the charge needs to be enforced, otherwise nobody pays. Then there are the people who decide not to pay for whatever reason (even those who might stop riding).

You know, this sort of system has been looked into a number of times previously (here in Australia at least three states have investigated it), and it's always been dismissed as being unviable economically, for the reasons I describe above. This is why I don't expect it to survive -- even if it does come in short term.

[JRA]

Registration laws can be used for the recovery of stolen bicycles but, as I said before, that doesn't require a mandatory law and it doesn't require a visible license (a small sticker is all that's needed). To be an effective program, the fee charged must be small (registration actually is free in some places).

But bicycle registration is a bureaucratic nightmare.

And it can be used as a tool of harassment.

The City of St. Louis has had a bicycle registration ordinance for many years. Everybody, including the city, ignored it. I've ridden for decades in the 'city' without a license and never even thought about it.

Well, a few years ago there was a convention in the city and there was a protest group whose main form of transportation was bicycles. The police suddenly conveniently discovered the old registration law (totally ignored but still on the books) and used the law to arrest the protesters and confiscate their bikes.

Whatever the intent the law, that kind of selective enforcement is often a main use of such laws.

I still ride almost daily in the city without a license (actually, I've never met anybody who had a license). I'm not too worried about the registration law as long as I don't try to exercise my right to free speech. :D

As far as I know, the law is still on the books.

[Gus Riley]

First of all they need a database of every bike that's registered under the system, which needs to be set up and maintained.

In this new world of computers, a database is not difficult to set up or maintain. In fact, if I were tasked to do so I would seriously look at the existing programs used for autos to also be utilized for bicycles...meaning no new software and no additional persons inputing information.


Then the law regarding the charge needs to be enforced, otherwise nobody pays. Then there are the people who decide not to pay for whatever reason (even those who might stop riding)

See my first post.


You know, this sort of system has been looked into a number of times previously (here in Australia at least three states have investigated it), and it's always been dismissed as being unviable economically, for the reasons I describe above. This is why I don't expect it to survive -- even if it does come in short term.

Same here, but we never learn from history, even our own.

[Bekologist]

The hidden agenda is cyclist ticketing/harassment that drives mandatory bike liscensing, regardless of how it is presented to the public.

That being said, can I get custom plates?

[HiYoSilver]

P.S. - if you really wanted to crack down on bike thefts then equip them with lowjack!

This would be too sensible, lowjacks required for any bike worth more than $100.

Speaking of lowjack. Is anyone away of any bicycle lowjack type system?

[Cornbread]

Whatever the intent the law, that kind of selective enforcement is often a main use of such laws.

Yup. You will probably not see much enforcement until some homeless looking guy rides by on a bike and offends the sensibilities of some nag gardening.

[I-Like-To-Bike]

This would be too sensible, lowjacks required for any bike worth more than $100.

Speaking of lowjack. Is anyone away of any bicycle lowjack type system?
What is a "lowjack"?

[MarkS]

In this new world of computers, a database is not difficult to set up or maintain. In fact, if I were tasked to do so I would seriously look at the existing programs used for autos to also be utilized for bicycles...meaning no new software and no additional persons inputing information.No! No! No! In my State, as soon as you get a driver's license or buy a car, they put you in their jury pool selection database -- and you can't get out. You start getting notices like clockwork. I've been spending nearly two decades trying to figure out what the smallest crime is that I can commit so I never have to get notified again ...

[konageezer]

Only a buck. Thin end of the wedge. Soon it will be "discovered" that the bike registry system is in the red. Fees simply aren't paying to keep the program going. Civic leaders announce a new, better bike registry system, with BikeSecure©. Fees will be raised to $25.00 to offset the costs. Now, of course, since everyone has signed up, they know where to send the invoices.

[pseudobrit]

Only a buck. Thin end of the wedge. Soon it will be "discovered" that the bike registry system is in the red. Fees simply aren't paying to keep the program going. Civic leaders announce a new, better bike registry system, with BikeSecure©. Fees will be raised to $25.00 to offset the costs. Now, of course, since everyone has signed up, they know where to send the invoices.

Bingo.

Hard part's getting people to accept the idea of paying the local gov't to own a bike.

After that, fees are easy to ratchet up. "It's only $1" so easily becomes "it's only $5."

[steve_wmn]

Has your city just recently installed red light enforcement cameras? If so, I'm going to guess that the bike registration idea was no coincident, and that it was really instigated by the contractor processing the stop light traffic tickets.

[Little Darwin]

A semantic issue... I read the article and it said the requirement was that the registration tag must be visible from the rear. There is nothing about a license plate other than the OPs title for the link. The only thing they are trying to change is to specify where the sticker is stuck. Big deal! If just for consistency, it should be specified in the law.

And the governmental control arguments are simply paranoid... If "they" wanted more control of cyclists, "they" would just tell the cops in the morning briefings to crack down on cyclists....

If the objective was to harrass you, an officer of the law would simply say the same thing many of you are saying:

Stickers? We don't need no stinking stickers! ;)

And then put your butt in the back seat of the squad car on some trumped up charge. In fact a few of them probably do if you are the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood.

The police are not out to get you for riding a bike, or they would have had you by now.

[Little Darwin]

Bingo.

Hard part's getting people to accept the idea of paying the local gov't to own a bike.

After that, fees are easy to ratchet up. "It's only $1" so easily becomes "it's only $5."

Well, if this is the objective, then they should raise the price now! It has already been 50 cents for some period of time, if they wanted to make cyclists poor, they have to grab for more than 50 cents a year increase. And if there is a sales tax you already pay them to buy it. on a $100 bike they probably already made more than the $1.

Someone mentioned a city with a few hundred bikes... Even at $10, I can't imagine a profit being made. You would have to have 6,000 bicycles at $10 each in order to cover salary and benefits for one new entry level employee...

And all this worry about $1, in a forum where people discuss spending 3 months salary on a bike. :rolleyes:

Nobody is trying to get rich, or even balance their budget by charging $1 or even $5 for bicycle registration.

Is it a good idea? I don't know,. but the worry about money just isn't there.

However, I do have a question... Can I buy one of these stickers in the mail? It is hard to find anything for $1, and I want one for my bike!

[dynaryder]

My town is looking to require license plates for bikes

Cool! Can you get vanity plates? :D

[Trevor98]

Another attempt at making laws that appear to do something without actually accomplishing anything.

Out of curiosity, I wonder what would be the fine for failing to pay $1 to register a bike? The only way a fine of this nature is applied is in conjunction with other situations. Cities lose money on processing fees for stupid laws like this.

[InfamousG]

I think this is just absolutely stupid. Since these aren't a state-mandated and state-issued form of bicycle identification, someone from outside the city won't register their bikes. If the police stop someone without a registration and no ID to say "I'm not from this city" then what? Haul them into the police station for not having ID?

Most bicycle traffic violations are:

Rolling a Stop Sign (non-busy intersections)
Running a Stop Sign (4-way stops)
Running a Red Light (After a full stop, when clear)
Speeding (25-30 in a 25 zone, or 10+ through a parking lot)
Riding on Sidewalk (Where applicable)

Aside from possible the sidewalk, none of these are really "dangerous" offenses. All of these, personal responsibility

How does your city plan to have the registration notices affixed to the bicycle? To the seatpost? What about bikes where the rear reflector/light is attached there? What about Travel Bags that are there?
On my bike I have a small bag attached to my seat post and saddle adjuster to hold my bike lock. Directly below it is my rear blinker.

Morrissey said requiring registration tags to be visible from the rear could give officers a "talking point" if they believe a bike might have been stolen.
I honestly think that the goal of this requirement is so the cops can stop people for being the wrong color in a certain neighborhood more than recovering stolen bikes.

What would they do if a bike WAS stolen and the tag was removed? Would they then check it against the serial numbers stamped on the bike itself? If so, what's the point in the extra tag?

What makes someone riding a bike look "suspicious of theft"? What if the potential theif was not from the city and had ID to prove it? Would they still demand to see the serial number on the bike or would they let it go since he doesn't legally need the tag? If they let him go, then what if the potential thief did in fact steal the bike?

Personally, I think that bicycle registration should consist of the following being on file with a copy given to the registrant:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8707/registration3ld.jpg

Fight this man, no good can come from it.

[HiYoSilver]

What is a "lowjack"?

Basically:
1. hidden GPS
2. hidden communications system, ala modem which sends GPS data on activation

See: http://www.lojack.com/ for auto and motorcycle details.

Don't know if will ever work for bicycles:
Requirements:
1. active battery
2. location big enough to hide GPS sending unit. Only place in bicycle would be inside downtube.
3. costs about $600

Recovery rate with lo-jack is 50%. Better than zip, but still can be defeated. Can get insurance up to $2,500 for replacement value.

Just curious if any other company has tried this approach.

[chicharron]

My town is looking to require license plates for bikes (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15004038&BRD=1139&PAG=461&dept_id=142642&rfi=6). I didn't even know registration was mandatory... it had always been presented as a rather optional thing. But now they want visible registration on all bikes.

I'm worried about this. Anyone else had experiences with this sort of thing???
No, I do not have any experience with this sort of thing. However this rather reminds me of the thread on Helmet Laws. More legislation by the meddlers, lawers, and the nanny state, to complicate a simple pleasure like riding a bike.

[I-Like-To-Bike]

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
What is a "lowjack"?
Basically:
1. hidden GPS
2. hidden communications system, ala modem which sends GPS data on activation

Thanks for the answer. I suppose those cyclists afraid of being tracked down by evil ones in black helicopters for failure to comply with mandatory registration should avoid activation of their lowjack or at least wear aluminum foil liner inside their foam dome.

[filtersweep]

I must be stupid... I don't get it. I RTFA and it seems to me a cop can still pull a bike over and issue a ticket- regardless of whether or not it is registered, since it is the RIDER that is tagged. Bikers, not bikes, pay fines. Seems they should require bikers to carry a state ID with them.

[N_C]

I think it should be voluntary, not mandatory. And the money paid for the regsitration should go into a fund to improve bicycle facilities.

Here is an example of what is happening in my community, nothing to do with bikes but it is voluntary. On Jan. 1st of this year there a brand new 5 acre off leash dog park opened. There is a voluntary registration of $10.00 per year for those that want to help support the park. Those that want to pay the $10.00 when the license their dog at City Hall, which is mandatory in Sioux City BTW, & the $10.00 goes to the dog park the regular registration goes into the city public works fund to help with city projects. The Parks & Rec. Dept. is part of the public works dept. So the mandatory registration helps support the city parks, etc.

This is how I think it should be in Fairfield, voluntary, not mandatory. As far as having the tags visible from ther rear. Well it might help the cops locate a stolen bike, if the thief does not remove it or the original owner reports it stolen.

[Chris L]

In this new world of computers, a database is not difficult to set up or maintain. In fact, if I were tasked to do so I would seriously look at the existing programs used for autos to also be utilized for bicycles...meaning no new software and no additional persons inputing information.

That would only be part of the cost. What about the cost of producing some kind of certificate to display on the bike to indicate it was actually registered? They'll need something sufficiently robust so as not to shrivel up in the first rain shower that someone rides through. What about the cost of enforcing the law to make sure that people actually do pay this "mandatory" registration?

There's no way they'll make any money out of it at that level. To charge a higher fee in an attempt to recoup this outlay will only reduce their revenue base further.

As I've already said, I'll be surprised if this actually happens.

[sggoodri]

Here is a news story about Washington DC ending its mandatory bicycle registration program due to its negative effect on police-public relations. I think the report prepared by the DC Office of Police Complaints is particularly interesting. They find that (1) poorly communicated local bike regulations that are inconsistent with surrounding communities promote public ignorance of the law, (2) impounding offenders' bicycles is an inappropriately severe punishment for the offense, and (3) selective enforcement and pretextual stops create a public relations problem for the police.

-Steve Goodridge
_____________________________________________________________________

From League of American Bicyclists News:

DC Bike Registration to be Eliminated

The Washington, D.C. Police Complaints Board submitted a recommendation to the city's mayor and police chief recommending the elimination of DC's mandatory bike registration law. A number of complaints received by the Board suggest that MPD officers have enforced mandatory bicycle registration in Washington, DC, sporadically and improperly, raising questions about possible bias in these stops. The Board referenced the League's position paper in the report.

Link to the August 4th DC Office of Police Complaints Report:

http://www.policecomplaints.dc.gov/occr/frames.asp?doc=/occr/lib/occr/pdf/policy_rec_bike.pdf

(Tiny URL version of this link: http://tinyurl.com/bf8d3 )

[Daily Commute]

Here is a news story about Washington DC ending its mandatory bicycle registration program due to its negative effect on police-public relations. I think the report prepared by the DC Office of Police Complaints is particularly interesting. They find that (1) poorly communicated local bike regulations that are inconsistent with surrounding communities promote public ignorance of the law, (2) impounding offenders' bicycles is an inappropriately severe punishment for the offense, and (3) selective enforcement and pretextual stops create a public relations problem for the police.

-Steve Goodridge
_____________________________________________________________________

From League of American Bicyclists News:

DC Bike Registration to be Eliminated

The Washington, D.C. Police Complaints Board submitted a recommendation to the city's mayor and police chief recommending the elimination of DC's mandatory bike registration law. A number of complaints received by the Board suggest that MPD officers have enforced mandatory bicycle registration in Washington, DC, sporadically and improperly, raising questions about possible bias in these stops. The Board referenced the League's position paper in the report.

Link to the August 4th DC Office of Police Complaints Report:

http://www.policecomplaints.dc.gov/occr/frames.asp?doc=/occr/lib/occr/pdf/policy_rec_bike.pdf

(Tiny URL version of this link: http://tinyurl.com/bf8d3 )
This is an EXTREMELY useful post. Trick should print it out, and make copies for the decionmakers in his town. They will find it far more persuasive than anything we cyclists say.

I still think the second most persuasive argument is that every town could require a license to be displayed on the rear, which means that a cyclist riding through a few suburbs would have to display multiple plates.

[sggoodri]

This is an EXTREMELY useful post. Trick should print it out, and make copies for the decionmakers in his town. They will find it far more persuasive than anything we cyclists say.


Here's a legal precedent where enforcement of a local registration ordinance on through traffic was declared unconstitutional by the Wake County NC district court. It involves taxi cabs, but the exact same arguments apply:

http://www.acluofnorthcarolina.org/02litigationreport.html

RIGHT TO TRAVEL

TOWN OF MORRISVILLE'S TAXI CAB ORDINANCE
Several taxi cab drivers who are licensed in the towns of Cary and Raleigh, but not Morrisville, contacted the ACLU-NC office for help when they were ticketed for failing to register as an operator of a taxi in the Town of Morrisville pursuant to Town of Morrisville Ordinance § 01-47. Under the terms of the ordinance any taxi cab parked or traveling on the roads of Morrisville (within the corporate limit) is subject to the provisions of the ordinance. There are also a series of provisions in the ordinance which place very heavy, if not impossibly heavy burdens on taxi drivers. If every one of the over 1,600 towns in North Carolina could require taxis that merely drive through their town to submit to similar provisions it would be impossible for taxi drivers to comply. The drivers were ticketed merely for driving through the Town of Morrisville to pick up passengers who previously solicited the business from the company for which they work. The ACLU-NC Legal Foundation represented the drivers at Wake County district court. In August, a Wake County district court judge dismissed the charges against the drivers, holding that the ordinance was an unconstitutional infringement on their right to intrastate travel. In addition, the judge held that the statute violated state law which protects passengers rights to have access to taxi drivers of their choice. The State has appealed the decision to superior court.
Cooperating attorney F. Hill Allen with Seth H. Jaffe for the ACLU-NC Legal Foundation.

http://www.acluofnorthcarolina.org/page82.html

The State subsequently appealed the decision to superior court and on August 18, 2003, the superior court dismissed the case.

-Steve Goodridge

[Hill Climber]

I'm not opposed to a "biker's license" but the state would first have to make it mandatory that all motorists renewing their driver's license pass a written exam about sharing the road.
I'm not hanging anything resembling a license plate from my bike. If a sticker was required, so be it. Once you get into that, the next thing is inspections and citations if your bike doesn't have reflectors.
That leads to further complications when the police want to see your biker's license and you try to point out that cycling shorts don't have pockets.

[Gus Riley]

That would only be part of the cost. What about the cost of producing some kind of certificate to display on the bike to indicate it was actually registered? They'll need something sufficiently robust so as not to shrivel up in the first rain shower that someone rides through. What about the cost of enforcing the law to make sure that people actually do pay this "mandatory" registration?

There's no way they'll make any money out of it at that level. To charge a higher fee in an attempt to recoup this outlay will only reduce their revenue base further.

As I've already said, I'll be surprised if this actually happens.

If this idea engineered by mor*^s was ever to come to light, I would think a sticker would be the means of Identification and not a robust license plate of some sort.

[chicharron]

<<I think it should be voluntary, not mandatory.>>

Well, N.C., I see that you have mellowed your stance on mandatory laws regarding bicyclist since the Great Helmet Debate, eh?

[Daily Commute]

<<I think it should be voluntary, not mandatory.>>

Well, N.C., I see that you have mellowed your stance on mandatory laws regarding bicyclist since the Great Helmet Debate, eh?
Can't you accept surrender gracefully? I give N_C credit for seeking input, and then changing his plans based on what he learned.

Edit: It looks like I was wrong when I said that N_C surrendered gracefully (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=131119).

[Blackberry]

New bumper sticker:

The west wasn't won with a registered bike.

[Primevci]

kinda intresting i mean if someone stole your bike and you reported it the person cant really take off the plate or he would get pulled over, then they would find it was your bike and if he kept it on they could run the plate to see it came back stolen you would get your bike... im not sure its a bad idea... but thats only if it started to show a increase of bike recoverys... maybe a year trial or something... also if it got people to follow the rules it would be a good idea i hate passing a wrong way rider when there is not much room in the BL

[chicharron]

<<Disclaimer
English is my first language.. I have Dyslexia as a result my grammer sucks and so does my spelling I even use U sometimes for the word You.. When I read sometimes I half to read the line 3 times cause it didnt make sense do to stuff being mixed up..>>

No need to apologize nor explain yourself. I myself have mild Attention Defeceit Disorder. At times this affects my typing, or ability to concentrate or focus as well. good luck

[Primevci]

<<Disclaimer
English is my first language.. I have Dyslexia as a result my grammer sucks and so does my spelling I even use U sometimes for the word You.. When I read sometimes I half to read the line 3 times cause it didnt make sense do to stuff being mixed up..>>

No need to apologize nor explain yourself. I myself have mild Attention Defeceit Disorder. At times this affects my typing, or ability to concentrate or focus as well. good luck

Yea i had to take ridlen also... school wasent a good time for me..

[chicharron]

Yea i had to take ridlen also... school wasent a good time for me..
Primevci-Don't give up. I had difficulties in school as well. I graduated from a community college in 1975, and never went back. Now, I am almost 50 years old, and am returning to the University to finish my undergraduate degree as a Bachelor in Spanish. You can overcome this with help. If you want, send me a private message. G'luck

[madbadger4]

Madison, WI (pretty much a "bike friendly" kind of place) has a mandatory registration - $10.00 for a four year sticker.

http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/transp/Bicycle/bikereg.html

msm

[myates1980]

My city instituted a mandatory registration law...I'll tell you why. Two words: Critical Mass. After the first (and only) Critical Mass in my town of Lancaster, PA the legislature passed the new law requiring people to register their bikes...it goes on unenforced...but if there is another Critical Mass in this town you can bet I'll be told (as a bike cop) to check for registrations and sieze all negligent cyclists bikes.

The law is there, plain and simple...just pay the buck and do it, it could save a headache in the future. I'm not saying it's right, but it IS the law.

EDIT: P.S. My police bike seems to be exempt from this law....ironic isn't it?