Books, Movies, Music & Entertainment - What music do you like to listen to?

...I'm a big fan of Cash, Earle, and especially X and the Burrito Brothers....
burrito trivia: know the movie plains/trains/automobiles? after they torch the rental car they end up drinking out of mini-bottles in the hotel room? you have to listen closely, but the radio is playing 'wheels'.....

Iron Maiden

Maiden for sure, them and Judas Priest (Breakin the Law is a good ridding tune) :D , Metallica, Guns & Roses, etc.... metal is the way to ride.

ACDC
The Angels
Prodigy
Metalica
Guns n Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers

Grateful Dead

You cannot be serious. :eek:

Ya got streamers coming out of your handlebars too? :rolleyes:

Are you assuming that vegan bands are wussy? Look up Undying and give a listen. They are more metal than all the bands on your list put together. Most hardcore shows where straight edge bands play, are more intense and crazy than your MTV moshpit concerts. Its always humerous when a metal head comes to a hardcore show and does the usual pushing/bouncing off people on the dance floor, then a dozen kids start doing windmills and spin kicks and he looks around like, "what the f---?", then retreats to the back for fear of getting destroyed.

X
The Clash
Adam Ant
Sex Pistols
PIL
Peter Murphy
Black Flag
Interpol

Not much into rap you guys I see.

Too bad. ...

sure, i rock the 12s and re-live the glory days every now and then. but rap just doesn't speak to me anymore. i used to love h.e.r. ... although, i'm always down to hear some breaks. recently turned onto mulatu astatke. straight bboy badness to the highest degree... diggers' motto: there's always more.

Aerosmith - Walk This Way
Nellie - Air Force One
Alice Cooper - You And Me
Andrew Sisters - In The Mood
Avril Lavigne - Things I'll Never Say
Axelle Red - A Tatons
B52's - Loveshack
Bad Company - Feel Like Making Love
Bad Finger - It Don't Come Easy
Bangles - Walk Like An Egyptian
Bay City Rollers - Saturday Night
Bow Wow Wow - I Want Candy
Cars - Candy O
Cindy Lauper - Girls Just Wanna Have Fun
Cream - Strange Brew
Daryl Hall And John Oates - Maneater
David Bowie - Rebel Rebel
Deep Purple - Smoke On the Water
ELO - It's Magic
Foreigner - Hot Blooded
Genesis - I Can't Dance
Girlfriend Remix
Grand Funk Railroad - Some Kind of Wonderful
Guess Who - Magic Carpet Ride
Guess Who - Share the Land
Hollies - The Air That I Breathe
Iggy Pop-I'm A Real Wild One
Isabelle Boulay - Besame Mucho
Jennifer Lopez - You Belong to Me
Jennifer Lopez - Love Don’t Cost a Thing
Jennifer Lopez - Boys
Johnny Horton - Ballad Of The Green Berets
Lina - I'm Not The Enemy
Lina - Waiting
Linda Ronstat - It's So Easy
Los Lobos - La Bamba
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Sweet Home Alabama
MARVINGA
Maurane - Du mal
Maurane - Tout faux
Maurane and Lara Fabian - Tu Es Mon Autre
Men Without Hats - You Can Dance If You Want To
mylene farmer-L'INSTANT X-Remixes
Olivia Newton John - Physical
Patricia Kaas - Mlle Chante Les Blues
Rick James - She's A Brick House
Rick James - Superfreak
Robert Palmer - Addicted To Love
Rufus & Chaka Khan - Tell Me Something Good
Shaggy - Mr. Lover
Steve Miller Band - Abracadabra
Steve Miller Band - Jungle Love
Steve Miller Band - Keep On Rockin' Me Baby
Stevie Wonder - Part Time Lover
Sting And The Police - Walking On The Moon
Supertramp - Bloody Well Right
Talking Heads - Burning Down The House
TLC - Waterfalls
Van Morrison - Crazy Love
Van Morrison - Into the Mystic
Wild Cherry - Play That Funky Music
ZZ Top - Bad to the bone
ZZ Top - Cheap Sunglasses
ZZ Top - She's Got Legs
ZZ Top - Tube Steak Boogie

metric, spoon, m.i.a. the go team, beck, any punk. as long as its not a downer song or too slow of a song, its great for biking

Mostly techno...Ministry of Sound albums

I have The Postal Service, and MUSE on my iPod Shuffle.

Who the heck put Celine Dion? SERIOUSLY??? Kidding I don't want to flame you for that choice.

I don't listen to music when I'm riding, but when I'm running well then its different.

2 Pac 40 Below Summer AC/DC Aersosmith, Al Green Al Stewart The Allman Brother Band Andre Nickatina Atreyu Anthrax Audioslave B.B. King Bad Company Bad Religion The Band Bayside Beatles Beach Boys Bee Gees Ben Harper Ben Kweller Black Sabbath Blind Faith Blue Oyster Cult Bob Dylan Bob Seger Boston Jimmy Eat World Billy Joel Billy Idol Bob Marley Bachman Turner Overdrive Bon Jovi Boxcar Racer Brand New Sin Buddy Holly Buena Vista Social Club Buffalo Springfield Bruce Springsteen Creedence Clearwater Revival Chevelle The Calling Cat Stevens Cave In The Chemical Brothers Chimaira Clarence Carter Counting Crows Crosby, Stills, Nash &; Young The Clash Coldplay Collective Soul Cream Dave Matthews Band Damageplan Damone Dar Williams Dave Thompson David Bowie Dead Kennedys Death By Stereo Derek &; The Dominos Diatribe Die Prinzen Dire Straites Dog Fashion Disco Dope Deep Purple Def Leppard Deftones Disturbed DMX Doobie Brothers The Doors Dropkick Murphys Drowning Pool Eagles E. Town Concrete Edgar Winter Electric Light Orchestra Elliott Smith Enigma Euromotion Elton John Eric Clapton Eminem Everclear Everlast Fear Factory Fuel Flaw Fleetwood Mac FlightCrank The Flying Burrito Brothers Filter Foo Fighters Foreigner George Straigt The Gaskets George Harrison Glasseater God Forbid Gordon Lightfoot Grateful Dead Guess Who Godsmack Goldfinger Gorillaz Green Day Guns N Roses Hoobastank Hatebreed The Haunted Hayden Hemlock Hi Standard Hive Hotwire Howlin’ Wolf Interpol Iron Maiden Jack Johnson Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker &; Gary Moore James Taylor Jeff Buckley Jefferson Airplane Jethro Tull Joan Jett John Coltrane John Hiatt John Lennon John Mayall Jimi Hendrix Joe Walsh Joe Satrini Jimmy Eat World Journey Kenny Loggins Kiss Killswitch Engage King Crimson King Of Leon The Kinks The Killers KIX-S Led Zeppelin Lamb Of God Little Feet Little Richard Longwave Los Labos Lunatic Calm Linkin Park Limp Bizkit Lit Local H Lost Prophets Lynard Skynard Maroon 5 Mahavishnu Orchestra Merilyn Manson Marvin Gaye Matchbox Twenty Me First &; The Gimme Gimmies Meat Beat Manifesto Men At Work Madonna Metallica Ministry Monster Magnet Motogater My Morning Jacket Mest Morrisey My Chemical Romance Mudvayne Muse Modest Mouse New Found Glory Nancy Wilson Neil Young Nickelback Non Phixion Nirvana N.E.R.D, Nine Inch Nails Offspring Oasis Orange Juice Otis Redding Outkast Ozzy Ozbourne Pat Benatar Paul McCartney Paul Simon Peter Gabriel The Philosopher Kings Pink Martini The Police The Postal Service Primus Propeller Heads Pearl Jam Pink Floyd Poison Presidents of the USA Prodigy Public Enemy Powerman 5000 Puddle of Mudd Puff Daddy Queensrÿche Queen Radiohead Rage Against The Machine Red Hot Chili Peppers Rod Stewart R.E.M. Rammstein The Ramones Razorlight Rob D Rob Zombie Robert Johnson Rolling Stones Rush Saliva Santana The Seeds Sex Pistols Shadows Fall Silverstein Silvertide Simon &; Garfunkel Slayer Sly &; The Family Stone Small Faces Smashing Punpkins Snoop Dogg The Sound Of Urchin Spitalfield Static-X Slipknot Senses Fail Something Corproate Stone Temple Piolits Sound Garden Staind Steve Perry Stevie Ray Vaughan Stevie Wonder Stillwater Supertramp Sworn Enemy System Of A Down Steve Miller Band Styx Sublime Sugar Cult Switchfoot The Cars Taking Back Sunday Talking Heads The Darkness Tha Mobaloti The Get Up Kids The Hurt Process Ted Nugent The Wallflowers Thin Lizzy Three Doors down Third Eye Blind Three Days Grace Three Dog Night The Thrills Thunderclap Newman Tod Rundgren Tommy James Traveling Wilburys The Turtles Thrice Tom Petty Tool Trapt Treble Charger Trust Company Usher U2 Van Halen Van Morrison Vue The Vines Velvet Revolver The Verve Warrant Weezer Wes Montgomery White Light Motocade Whitesnake The Who Yellowcard Yes Yngwie Malmsteen Zombies ZZ Top

Some more but I havnt added them to my list yet


All that fine stuff & no Zappa??????

Five Iron Frenzy, Brave Saint Saturn, Roper, The Thrills...

These are my favourite bands:

CaP'n Jazz
Jawbreaker
Portraits of Past
Rites of Spring
Moss Icon
Heroin
Navio Forge
The Pine
The Weakerthans
A Silver Mt. Zion (AKA The Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra and Tra-La-La Band, etc)


Other bands I like a lot:

Defiance, Ohio
Sheryl's Magnetic Aura (AKA Meneguar)
His Hero is Gone
Evergreen
Indian Summer
The Mountain Goats
Born Against
The Broadways
The Lawrence Arms
Die, Emperor! Die!
The Promise Ring (early 7"s and first LP only)
Christie Front Drive
Funeral Diner
Rockets and Bluelights
Mohinder

That sort of kind of maybe begins to strike the surface of what I listen to. I listen to a lot more non-Hardcore/Punk stuff than those lists suggest.

As of late, I've been listening to:

Aerial M
Neutral Milk Hotel
American Football
Interpol
The Hated
Saves the Day (Can't Slow Down and Through Being Cool, only)
The Gibbons
Xiu Xiu
Q and Not U
Texas is the Reason



You cannot be serious. :eek:

Ya got streamers coming out of your handlebars too? :rolleyes:

As a Vegan Straight Edger, and a pretty tough mother****er, all I can say is listen to some Earth Crisis. Namely, "Firestorm." Violence against violence, let the roundups begin. A firestorm to purify the bane that society drowns in. No mercy, no exceptions -- a declaration of total war.

To x43x: do you like any older stuff? IE, Gorilla Biscuits, Turning Point, etc. I see you've got Unbroken on there; definitely one of the best Hardcore bands of the nineties, and certainly the best Metal-influenced Hardcore band ever (except His Hero is Gone...but that's a different style completely). Although I'm definitely into some vedge music, I can't get into much modern Straight Edge Hardcore because a lot of the kids are idiots. As long as it doesn't have a lot of chugga-chugga ****, I can usually like it, though.

There's a sweet band from the Seattle area called Greyskull...familiar with them? If not, you may enjoy. Very HHiG, but they're a bit less dark. They've got a HXCMP3.com page, but it's not working right now.

Alice Cooper

You had to ask?

I use a shuffle too! 1gb w/ ear jams

Cusco
Manneheim Steamroller
Ray Lynch
Enya
David Arkenstone
various Classical

Orc

I don't listen to music when I ride(like to hear the birds chirpin' and crap, don'tchaknow). If I did it would be mostly metal and/or rap-metal(or whatever you call it when rap and metal artists get together and make music). Maybe throw some good opera in there, as well. I listen to everything but pop-country(old school is the way to go), britpop, and whatever that pop-punk stuff is called where they're always whinin' about somethin'- blech! Don't like DMB or Dion, either, but if you can stand 'em, more power to ya!

I have a few questions for the masses, tho:

What is hardcore? Straight edge or is that a different genre? I always thought of it as your basic metal(hardcore, that is).

What the hell's a vegan band? What exactly does vegan music sound like? Are all the lyrics about being vegan? Don't understand, probably never will, but, c'mon, help me out a little. Seriously, I'd like to know.

Lots of injuries at those shows(straight edge/hardcore)? 'Cause it sounds like a good recipe for 'em. Just curious.

What the hell did happen to Bono, anyway? He buy into his own hype or something? With a stage name like that I guess it was only a matter of time....

Closing thoughts:

Van Hagar was never a good idea and never will be a good idea, but at least it's listenable compared to the crap they did with Gary whatever from Extreme. That sucked!

Rap/hip-hop will never be as fresh as it was when Run-D.M.C. rocked the mics, but some of the new stuff is decent.

In no order.

Hip-Hop
Tupac
Notorious BIG
Snoop Doog
Daz Dillinger
Nate Dogg
Bone Thugs N Harmony
Naughty by Nature
Run-DMC
Eminem
Ice Cube
Dr. Dre
Nas
Immortal Technique
Jay-Z
Kanye West
Ludacris
Memphis Bleek
Mobb Deep
Public Enemy
_________________

Rock
AC/DC
Van Halen
ZZ-Top
Deep Purple
The Who
Seven Dust
Crossfade
Queen
Quiet Riot
Pink Floyd
Ozzy Osbourne
Motley Crew
Led Zepplin
Kid Rock
Johnny Cash
Guns N Roses
Godsmack
Doobie Brothers
Dokken
Def Leppard
Bruce Spingsteen
Areosmith
Anthrax
A Perfect Circle
Charlie Daniels
Bad Company
Phil Collins
_________________

Other
Hanz Zimmer
Scott Storch
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Eh, think that about covers it.

I think i like a lot of good music and many of you have listed stuff i do like and listen to it. some of if I have heard of and now that I have a recomondation from you, I will make more of an effort to listen to it.
but, i really like listening to bad music with my friends and making fun of it.
the latest and greatest is the band
FANNY-PAC. They have a so called hit some called camel toe.
ok, maybe some people like it, but i do not particularly. it is fun to dance to drunk though.

other favorites
millivanilli
ricki martin (absolute favorite) love the espaniol
michael bolton

So many songs, so little time. These are the ones that usually get me going

Knock on Wood - Otis Redding and Carla Thomas . . . . It’s like thunder and lightening
Boogie Shoes – KC & the Sunshine Band . . . . I want to put on my my my my my boogie shoes
Tempted – Squeeze . . . . I bought a toothbrush, some toothpaste a flannel for my face, pajamas, a hairbrush, new shoes and a case
All Star – Smash Mouth
Don’t Go Breakin’ My Heart – Elton John and Kiki Dee
and certain songs by the Beatles, Green Day and U2

Sandy

bad religion, umphrey mcgee, sabbath, DLR Van Halen. this is for 90-100 + cadence. everything else is poser crap and would make my heart and soul freak out and my power would grind to a halt and i'd have to lie down in a ball and cry for what music has degenerated into.

there are exceptions.

I'm pretty omnivorous--Brahms, Cris Williamson, Blue Cheer, Dwight Yoakam, are some favorites of mine. Last week on the Ride Around Washington, I couldn't keep Johnny Thunders' "One Track Mind" out of my head while rolling along on the chipseal.

q and not u
the faint
at the drive in
!!!
And you will know us by the trail of dead
Bayside
The black keys
bloc party
interpol
Bright eyes
the constantines
dandy warhols
death cab for cutie
the decemberists
desaparacidos
doves
elliott smith
elvis costello
frank black and the catholics
franz ferdinand
galatic
gomez
gov't mule
Ghosts and vodka
grateful dead
greyboy allstars
idlewild
iron and wine
jack johnson
jeff buckley
john vanderslice
kaiser chiefs
JT and the clouds
kings of leon
the killers
kind of like spitting
the mars volta
matt pond pa
the meters
modest mouse
medeski martin and wood
nada surf
new pornographers
now its overhead
pavement
stephen malkmus
phish
pink floyd
postal service
pretty girls make graves
queens of the stoneage
radiohead
rancid
ratatat
red hot chili peppers
rilo kiley
rjd2
robert cray
ryan adams
sea and cake
sex pistols
the shins
nick drake
sigus ros
snow patrol
sondre lerche
soul coughing
sparta
stereophonics
string cheese incident
strokes
sufjan stevens
system of a down
television
tom waits
turin brakes
TV on the radio
the vines
the whitestripes
the who
widespread panic
wilco


im sure there's more but that's all i can think of right now

It'll take me too long to name all the bands i listen to. Lets make it nice and simple....I like listening to Trance and Rock.

punk rock!!! GREENDAY!!!

What is hardcore? Straight edge or is that a different genre? I always thought of it as your basic metal(hardcore, that is).

Hardcore and Metal are very different. While Metal has its roots in 70s Rock, Hardcore is a style derived from late-70s Punk bands. Early artists that made up the ground between Punk and Hardcore include Crass, early Black Flag, Adolescents, Flux of Pink Indians, the first Bad Brains record, Minor Threat, etc. Basically, faster, more intense Punk Rock with a different vocal style a lot of the time. Things really started to separate between Punk and Hardcore with Bad Brains and Minor Threat, so we have Washington D.C. to thank for that. Since the late-70s and early-80s, there have been countless spin-offs of the original style (both good and bad), and most bands refered to as "Hardcore" by the masses today have little or nothing to do with the style, and are more often than not, horrible fashion-oriented pseudo-Metal bands.

We also have D.C. to thank (or blame) for Straight Edge. Minor Threat gave title to the "Straight Edge" lifestyle in the early eighties. Straight Edge means: no alcohol, no drugs, no tobacco, no casual sex. Before the term was around (allegedly thought up when Ian and Jeff were making posters for a Minor Threat show, and realised how a ruler stood well for their lifestyle -- straight, and always on point), there were bands and a sort of scene surrounding a drug-free Punk counter-culture, namely Teen Idles, which was Ian MacKaye's band before Minor Threat. The whole "movement" arose as a revolt against the tough guy, drunk Punk mentality that plagued the Punk Rock scene as a whole. There is still a massive Straight Edge scene today, but key years for the style were 1981 - 1983 (Minor Threat, birth of the lifestyle), 1988 (first revival), and 1997 (second revival).

Ian also ran Dischord Records, which is arguably the most important independent label of all time. When Hardcore in its purest and earliest form died (basically, when Minor Threat broke up), the scene became really stagnant, and degenerated once again into a pissing contest between thoughtless, overly masculine Punks with no values or direction in life. Once again, Dischord helped bring an end to this with bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace, which eventually formed Fugazi a few years after each bands' demise. This time period (Summer of 1985) was known as Revolution Summer, and was the first time that introspection had really been a part of Hardcore/Punk music in the US. For years to come, and even to this day, Dischord is still releasing inventive and socially relevant independent music spanning from Indie Rock to Punk to Hardcore and everything in-between. The label was a launching pad for intelligence and progessive activism within the Punk and Indie counter-cultures, and remains one of the most well-respected labels to ever exist in any style of music.



What the hell's a vegan band? What exactly does vegan music sound like? Are all the lyrics about being vegan? Don't understand, probably never will, but, c'mon, help me out a little. Seriously, I'd like to know.

The majority of Vegan Straight Edge Hardcore bands play more metal-influenced strands of Hardcore. It's not so much a music thing as it is a moral thing, though. Out of the Vegan/SE Hardcore scene came a movement known as Hardline, which centred itself around militant Vegan, Straight Edge, Pro-Life, and homophobic beliefs as a means to save the earth from its destruction at the hands of the "impure." The obvious example is Earth Crisis, but there are others...none of which are any good or even slightly important to Hardcore as a culture or a musical style. Vegan Reich was hilarious, though.

Thankfully, people like that don't exist anymore (except a few in Salt Lake City, but they're likenable to D&D geeks, and you don't really see them outside of their parents' basements too often), and it was a very short-lived, yet very dark period in the history of Punk Rock. There are still a lot of militant Straight Edge (but not vegan) kids around, mainly in Boston, and mainly associated with an organisation (see: street gang) called FSU (Friends Standing United). They're a joke and have nothing to do with Hardcore. Keep that **** on the football field, bros. As of late there have been more and more artists, labels, and people involved in the Hardcore community speaking out against FSU and meathead attitudes as a part of Punk Rock in general, which is a good thing that sometimes has unfortunate consequences. A couple months ago the singer of Dangers! wrote a song called "Neo-Neo Nazis (Stop F.ucking S.hit U.p)," and he was severely beaten and had many threats on his life if his band ever attempted to play a show in certain cities. With any luck, FSU will die out pretty soon (maybe their jock straps will bake their sperm count?), and things can get back to normal.

Anyway, there are many bands that are Vegan and/or Straight Edge yet retain a positive (or at least non-militaristic) attitude to their music. On the whole, Hardcore (specifically the socially conscious sort) serves as a good tool for kids to turn their aggression into something that can serve a purpose or (attempt to) make a change, as opposed to taking it out in outwardly violent or self-destructive ways. Right now things are in a state of flux, with many pseudo-Hardcore bands gaining popularity and bringing in a steady flow of kids who have no idea what's going on into a community with long-standing values and codes, and they're creating a negative impact. My town is full of these kids. Hopefully they'll either wise up and make a positive change, or move onto the next trend before they can do anything permanent.



Lots of injuries at those shows(straight edge/hardcore)? 'Cause it sounds like a good recipe for 'em. Just curious.

Potentially. With a lot of tough guy (militant) Hardcore bands, you get a lot of idiot kids doing stupid ninja **** in the "pit" (I abhor that term) and punching/kicking/tackling who is unfortunate enough to get in their way. When I saw Books Lie in a friend's basement last Summer, the entire room was full of aggression, but it was of the positive sort -- no one got hurt and everyone had a killer time. Really it all depends on what bands are playing, what town you're in, the other people at the show, etc. Generally I don't participate in all the male bonding bull****, but I like to dance (um, hard to explain what I mean by "dance") and do so when it's possible to without much of a risk. As I don't listen to much Hardcore anymore, I'm usually always pretty invovled in whatever show I'm seeing, since you're not likely to get hurt watching a band whose members' average weight is about ninety pounds.

Sorry if that was craaaaaazy ranty.

First off...wow! Thanks for the deep reply. I was just thinkin' about this thread this week and had pretty much given up on a response to my(admittedly provocative) post.


Hardcore and Metal are very different. While Metal has its roots in 70s Rock, Hardcore is a style derived from late-70s Punk bands. Early artists that made up the ground between Punk and Hardcore include Crass, early Black Flag, Adolescents, Flux of Pink Indians, the first Bad Brains record, Minor Threat, etc. Basically, faster, more intense Punk Rock with a different vocal style a lot of the time. Things really started to separate between Punk and Hardcore with Bad Brains and Minor Threat, so we have Washington D.C. to thank for that. Since the late-70s and early-80s, there have been countless spin-offs of the original style (both good and bad), and most bands refered to as "Hardcore" by the masses today have little or nothing to do with the style, and are more often than not, horrible fashion-oriented pseudo-Metal bands.
This is what I thought of when I saw hardcore. Of course, I'm less than pleased with the insane amount of genres/sub-genres infesting the world of music today. Naturally, there are many different types of music, but how far do we have to break it down? Jeez!




We also have D.C. to thank (or blame) for Straight Edge. Minor Threat gave title to the "Straight Edge" lifestyle in the early eighties. Straight Edge means: no alcohol, no drugs, no tobacco, no casual sex. Before the term was around (allegedly thought up when Ian and Jeff were making posters for a Minor Threat show, and realised how a ruler stood well for their lifestyle -- straight, and always on point), there were bands and a sort of scene surrounding a drug-free Punk counter-culture, namely Teen Idles, which was Ian MacKaye's band before Minor Threat. The whole "movement" arose as a revolt against the tough guy, drunk Punk mentality that plagued the Punk Rock scene as a whole. There is still a massive Straight Edge scene today, but key years for the style were 1981 - 1983 (Minor Threat, birth of the lifestyle), 1988 (first revival), and 1997 (second revival).

Ian also ran Dischord Records, which is arguably the most important independent label of all time. When Hardcore in its purest and earliest form died (basically, when Minor Threat broke up), the scene became really stagnant, and degenerated once again into a pissing contest between thoughtless, overly masculine Punks with no values or direction in life. Once again, Dischord helped bring an end to this with bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace, which eventually formed Fugazi a few years after each bands' demise. This time period (Summer of 1985) was known as Revolution Summer, and was the first time that introspection had really been a part of Hardcore/Punk music in the US. For years to come, and even to this day, Dischord is still releasing inventive and socially relevant independent music spanning from Indie Rock to Punk to Hardcore and everything in-between. The label was a launching pad for intelligence and progessive activism within the Punk and Indie counter-cultures, and remains one of the most well-respected labels to ever exist in any style of music.

That's what straight edge meant to me, but I always wondered about it's disciples. Sexually, I thought abstinence was preferred, but that might have been the more radical straight edgers. There seemed to be an awful lot of repressed anger/sexual feelings in the people I knew who claimed to be straight edgers, tho. I had a buddy who stopped smoking, drinking, being a neo-nazi, etc. and he actually seemed more aggressive than before. He was an intense individual anyway.





The majority of Vegan Straight Edge Hardcore bands play more metal-influenced strands of Hardcore. It's not so much a music thing as it is a moral thing, though. Out of the Vegan/SE Hardcore scene came a movement known as Hardline, which centred itself around militant Vegan, Straight Edge, Pro-Life, and homophobic beliefs as a means to save the earth from its destruction at the hands of the "impure." The obvious example is Earth Crisis, but there are others...none of which are any good or even slightly important to Hardcore as a culture or a musical style. Vegan Reich was hilarious, though.

Thankfully, people like that don't exist anymore (except a few in Salt Lake City, but they're likenable to D&D geeks, and you don't really see them outside of their parents' basements too often), and it was a very short-lived, yet very dark period in the history of Punk Rock. There are still a lot of militant Straight Edge (but not vegan) kids around, mainly in Boston, and mainly associated with an organisation (see: street gang) called FSU (Friends Standing United). They're a joke and have nothing to do with Hardcore. Keep that **** on the football field, bros. As of late there have been more and more artists, labels, and people involved in the Hardcore community speaking out against FSU and meathead attitudes as a part of Punk Rock in general, which is a good thing that sometimes has unfortunate consequences. A couple months ago the singer of Dangers! wrote a song called "Neo-Neo Nazis (Stop F.ucking S.hit U.p)," and he was severely beaten and had many threats on his life if his band ever attempted to play a show in certain cities. With any luck, FSU will die out pretty soon (maybe their jock straps will bake their sperm count?), and things can get back to normal.

Anyway, there are many bands that are Vegan and/or Straight Edge yet retain a positive (or at least non-militaristic) attitude to their music. On the whole, Hardcore (specifically the socially conscious sort) serves as a good tool for kids to turn their aggression into something that can serve a purpose or (attempt to) make a change, as opposed to taking it out in outwardly violent or self-destructive ways. Right now things are in a state of flux, with many pseudo-Hardcore bands gaining popularity and bringing in a steady flow of kids who have no idea what's going on into a community with long-standing values and codes, and they're creating a negative impact. My town is full of these kids. Hopefully they'll either wise up and make a positive change, or move onto the next trend before they can do anything permanent.


That was the main issue I wanted to resolve. I mean, if your band is, let's see, "pro-turtle", then a lot of your songs might contain a pro-turtle bias. I can't see every single song, album or appearance being a turtle-fest, tho. Surely there would be other/conflicting agendas from bandmates/management, etc. I would hope so, in any case. Not that there's anything wrong with being vegan. It just strikes me as very limiting to pigeonhole oneself like that. Most people I know have a wide range of likes/dislikes/indifference.




Potentially. With a lot of tough guy (militant) Hardcore bands, you get a lot of idiot kids doing stupid ninja **** in the "pit" (I abhor that term) and punching/kicking/tackling who is unfortunate enough to get in their way. When I saw Books Lie in a friend's basement last Summer, the entire room was full of aggression, but it was of the positive sort -- no one got hurt and everyone had a killer time. Really it all depends on what bands are playing, what town you're in, the other people at the show, etc. Generally I don't participate in all the male bonding bull****, but I like to dance (um, hard to explain what I mean by "dance") and do so when it's possible to without much of a risk. As I don't listen to much Hardcore anymore, I'm usually always pretty invovled in whatever show I'm seeing, since you're not likely to get hurt watching a band whose members' average weight is about ninety pounds.

Sorry if that was craaaaaazy ranty.


Crazy, but in a good way, I think. Thanks again.:D

To get back on topic a bit: I like many different types of music, but not all of every type....;)