Classic & Vintage - need help Peugeot PX-10/px-10E

hello i'm new to this site and i'm very interested in vintage bikes. originally i was looking for an italian bike, but i came across a french bike that i thought was very nice. i've dome some reading on this site and i think it is a PX-10. here is the info i have

Reynolds 531 decal on the seat tube, written in french.
looks like the champions rainbow above and below the lion (the black white blue red etc rainbow) not the color spectrum rainbow. i recall it had the olympic rings also above and below the lion on the seat tube
Also 531 decal on both fork blades 1/2 pain and 1/2 chrome
Nervex lugs
French Ideale Rodee Main Selon Rebour saddle
Atom pedals
rear triangle 1/2 paint and 1/2 chrome.
serial on bb 25XXXX i cant get the pic to come out on my phone camera but it does have 6 numbers.
needs to be repainted and wondering if this bike is worth any money, should i stay away or is it worth it if it is a px-10 and or is it a px10e

thanks in advance

ItalianB.

Hard to tell if it's the "e" variant. The main difference (I think) was a tweak in the geometry, easy to spot if you have an "e" and a plain PX side by side, but otherwise not easy to see. I don't think it's an "e", though, I believe those came in at first in 1973 and your bike dates to the sixties.

Worth? Well, it's worth something. Is it your size? This always makes me willing to pay more. I'd say 250-400$ would be fair, but being a cheap @#$%! I would try to talk the seller down. If the paint is really bad, and your goal is restoration not riding, consider that the cost of the restoration will prolly eat up $$$$.

Proviso: If the bike is blue and the head lugs are yellow, it's prolly worth more than the above estimate. That puts it early sixties.

yes the color is blue with the gold lugs. the bike is a good size for me. i did further research and i think it is a '66.
. the owner wants 800.00. i left my max at 1400. so this might be a bargain. if i restore it.
if it is chosen to be restored, should i not ride it or better left in the living room as a deco. piece??

$1400? :eek: Interested in a nice 56cm 1974 PX10LE?

$1400? :eek: Interested in a nice 56cm 1974 PX10LE?

lol, sure sounds like a bargain.

i wasn't going to spen 1400 on this bike, but i have been looking for a colnago, de rosa, and even found an NOS bianchi - problem was it went way over my budget, it was black and gold with gold rims sold in ebay for 2k+

i figure this px10 might be a good place to start. i narrowed it to '65 or '66 based on the following from classic rendevous:

c. 1965 - ex. #256700- the pic i have shows 256xxx serial on the BB. i will call the seller and get the other info. i used a camera phone so i could do some googling on the internet

"c. 1966 - ex. #501714

Observations - The Olympic rings are used on the seat tube of #501714 and #256700, commemorating participation or a possible victory at the Olympic Games of 1964.The seat tube decals also feature the Arc-en-Ciel rings, a nod to Simpson's 1965 World Professional Road Race victory."


now as i read this maybe it is a 65 instead of a 66. anyways he wants 800.00. maybe i'll offer him 400

Early 1960s PX-10s are very rare, and the better specimens are in high demand.

I really don't feel I can give you accurate advice on the pricing here, as you're wandering it unfamiliar territory here, at least for me. I've though about what I'd give for an early to mid sixties PX, and I am really quite unsure.

I know one from that approximate vintage (a bit earlier, I think 63, John E or Tmar or another poster may recall correctly) sold for about seven grand on ebay, but I consider that a sterling example of ebay pricing gone insane; I really don't think they are worth that much. I'm not certain I'd cough up that much for a nice Rene Herse, frankly.

I paid 435$ on ebay for a very close to flawless (minor decal flaws, local bike registration sticker) unrestored 1967 PX, all original. This is the most I've ever paid for a bike by a good chunk, but I consider it a good buy. I see lesser examples sell for more on occasion, thanks to the miracle of ebay pricing. 1967s are not common, but they do show up more than the blue/yellow combo. I really have absolutely no idea how I'd price one.

thanks for the advice and i see your point, these bikes are not all that rare. i just came across another px-10 today, i think that one was a 69 or 70., since it had nervex lugs, 531 reynolds and a 6 digit serial number. bike was to tall for me at 60cm.

i think i'm going for the '65 or '66 px-10. after reading some more on here i think 200 would be a good buy. it rides well and shifts nicely it would just need to be repainted. i gave him a down payment so hopefully i willhave a truck tomorrow and p/u my new peugeot. one thing i can say is that the bike rides very nice and i was surprised by the feel how the bike felt. i ride a giant tcr 1 carbon, '06 six13 cannondale (wow) and a r1000 cannondale and can say that the peugeot was a very well put together bike for that time

wish me luck on my quest for vintage

well i bought my bike today and i'm very happy with the purchase. i paid 200 plus a set of campy rims lambda i believe. i will start to work on this bike and try to get it back to top of the line condition. i can say that i really love the steel ride and quite impressed. i think it was a good buy. i dont think i could have bought a bianchi, omlo or de rosa for what i paid.

the cranks are "stronglight 45" does that ring a bell with anyone

Please post a pic (or better yet, pics). Better than a good buy. I think you got a steal, 200$ is certainly below what I would have considered reasonable. I would not sell one for less than that, from any period, let alone early.

They are good rides. They get dogged a bit, mostly for the French threading issues and the derailleurs, but they're really nice bikes.

You likely need a stronglight specific crank remover. These are available thru www.biketoolsetc.com; stein makes them. A bit pricey at 30$, but given what you paid for the bike, you can certainly afford it.

Poguemahome, thank-you for the excellent link.

One of the big debates for vintage bicycles is to repaint or live with the patina. Doing it proper and replacing the decals costs several times more than what you paid for the bicycle (a great deal BTW). Anything less will erode the value for resale and for many it will be worth less than if you had not repainted it. In the end it all comes down to what you can tolerate and what your future plans are for the bicycle. In the end, it is your choice, but I thought I should mention the downside, in the event that you had not considered it.

For some reason, I'm thinking that the model 45 was a steel, cottered crankset that used the small, 5 pin, TA bolt circle. Perhaps it's just because reversing the numbers creates the common model 54, steel, cottered crankset. I'm probably wrong, as all the PX10 that I've seen have used cotterless cranks, even well back into the 1960s.

Poguemahome, thank-you for the excellent link.

One of the big debates for vintage bicycles is to repaint or live with the patina. Doing it proper and replacing the decals costs several times more than what you paid for the bicycle (a great deal BTW). Anything less will erode the value for resale and for many it will be worth less than if you had not repainted it. In the end it all comes down to what you can tolerate and what your future plans are for the bicycle. In the end, it is your choice, but I thought I should mention the downside, in the event that you had not considered it.

For some reason, I'm thinking that the model 45 was a steel, cottered crankset that used the small, 5 pin, TA bolt circle. Perhaps it's just because reversing the numbers creates the common model 54, steel, cottered crankset. I'm probably wrong, as all the PX10 that I've seen have used cotterless cranks, even well back into the 1960s.

good point i'm going to work quickly and diligently and start polishing up the aluminum i will take it to a professional for paint and restoration. i love this bike. i have a 4k bike that sits in my living room and i can't wait to go someplace just to ride the px-10. i am very impressed with this steel bike

Poguemahome, thanks for the link. i was able to check it out and thats what i'll need to get the project under way.. how can i tell the model of crank. it actually stated stonglight 45 smaller ring and bigger is a 52, i thought this was model # at first and realised it was the size of the rings. the cassete is an Atom. the hubs are high flanged but no markings laced to mavic rims. the owner said that he was pleased to sell it to me when he saw the smile on my face, since he can't ride anymore he is happy it is going to someone who will enjoy it

as far as the death stem it's an AVA do i really need to replace it or can i just ride around town with it. i would like to polish it up since it is al., but if it has to be replace what would or coudl i use????

Look for an atax stem, or you can samd down a modern one to get it to fit. If your cranks are pre about 1977, you certainly need the Stronglight remover. To make sure, take a standard 22mm remover and place it in the crank threads. It should just drop in. Alternately, if you don't have a crank remover handy, take some modern dustcaps and see if they'll thread in. I'm betting they won't, they'll drop in like a 22mm crank remover. Handy info page on French bikes, written by one of the many folks in this world smater than I:
http://sheldonbrown.com/velos.html

Post pics, darn it. 52/45 was the standard Stronglight gears on many of their cranks, though I have a sixties one that I believe is 49/46.

Crankset ---

Check out the following link for some good photos of the most common vintage Stronglight cranks pay special attention to models 93 49 57 63:

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/France/Stronglight_main.htm

The cranks most commoonly found on PX-10s, any time past the late '60s, are the model 93, which can be quickly identified by the single wide groove on the outside of the arms.


The models 57 and 63 are quite rare. They were both made for only the top-end bikes and produced in smaller numbers during a period of lower demand for racing bikes. They have the same double fluting and central oval on the arms as the mod.49 but they have a wider BCD of 122mm - just as on the #93. Those two (49 & 63) commonly sell for $400-600 on ebay - in any condition.

Model 49 was used on many different models from the 1950s through the 1970s. These cranks have the small 80mm BCD for attaching the outer chainring to the cranks. These cranks are often found with TA chainrings. In fact, TA began supplying chainrings designed to attach to this model long before they made their own cranksets. The TA inner rings were available as small as 26t.

Models 49 & 93 are often auctioned for around $100 in good condition. That's not because they are in any way inferior, just because they were so very commonly found not only on Peugeots, but on many many different europran bikes during the big US Bike Boom years of the early 1970s.

Replacement chainrings in many sizes can be found for any of the cranksets, even NOS condition, and usually at very reasonable prices. With the 122 BCD mountings, the cranks will accept inner rings down to at least as small as 38 teeth.

If rusted, the chainring bolts for connecting "most" of the chainrings are easy to find. They are the same 10mm as are commonly used today for most any cranksets.

Excellent buy on that bike!