genericbikedude
09-17-05, 04:55 PM
I know that hard anodizing sucks and all, but they are cheap. How wide are they??
Bicycle Mechanics - How wide are Mavic MA40's?
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sch
09-17-05, 10:07 PM
A google on the rim brings up a table suggesting 20.3mm wide.
Steve
Steve
DannoXYZ
09-18-05, 01:45 AM
Why does hard-anodizing suck? It's a surface that's 10x stronger and longer-lasting than bare aluminium..
cs1
09-18-05, 03:09 AM
Why does hard-anodizing suck? It's a surface that's 10x stronger and longer-lasting than bare aluminium..
Not really. It's more decorative than usefull. It is also prone to being very brittle. It can crack and wind up doing more harm than good. There might be an article on Sheldon Brown's site concerning anodizing. I know there is one floating around cyber space somewhere. If it really was so good, why do most manufacturers machine it off of the braking surface? Isn't that where you want a hard protective surface?
Tim
Not really. It's more decorative than usefull. It is also prone to being very brittle. It can crack and wind up doing more harm than good. There might be an article on Sheldon Brown's site concerning anodizing. I know there is one floating around cyber space somewhere. If it really was so good, why do most manufacturers machine it off of the braking surface? Isn't that where you want a hard protective surface?
Tim
clayface
09-18-05, 04:55 AM
I know there is one floating around cyber space somewhere.
Jobst Brandt, wheel guru, wrote this about anodized wheels:
"Dark anodized rims were introduced a few years ago as a fashionable
alternative to shiny metal finish, possibly as a response to non
metallic composites. Some of these rims were touted as HARD anodized
implying greater strength. Hard anodizing of aluminum, in contrast to
cosmetic anodizing, produces a porous ceramic oxide that forms in the
surface of the metal, as much as 1/1000 inch thick, about half below
the original surface and half above. It is not thick enough to affect
the strength of the rim but because it is so rigid, acts like a thin
coat of paint on a rubber band. The paint will crack as the rubber
stretches before any load is carried by the rubber. Similarly,
anodizing cracks before the aluminum carries any significant load.
Rims are made from long straight extrusions that are rolled into
helical hoops from which they are cut to length. Rims are often
drilled and anodized before being rolled into a hoop and therefore,
the anodizing is already crazed when the rim is made. Micro-cracks in
thick (hard) anodizing can propagate into the metal as a wheel is
loaded with every revolution to cause whole sections of the rim to
break out at its spoke sockets. In some rims, whole sidewalls have
separated through the hollow chamber so that the spokes remained
attached to the inner hoop and the tire on the outer one. In
contrast, colored anodizing is generally too thin to initiate cracks.
As an example, Mavic MA-2 rims have rarely cracked except on tandems,
while the identical MA-40 rims, with a relativley thin anodizing, have
cracked often.
Anodizing is also a thermal and electrical insulator. Because heat is
generated in the brake pads and not the rim, braking energy must flow
into the rim to be dissipated to the atmosphere. Anodizing, although
relatively thin, impedes this heat transfer and reduces braking
efficiency by raising the surface temperature of the brakes. When
braking in wet conditions, road grit wears off anodizing on the
sidewall, an effect that improves braking.
Anodizing is not heat treatment and has no effect on the structural
properties of the aluminum."
The link: http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8c.2.html
Roberto
Jobst Brandt, wheel guru, wrote this about anodized wheels:
"Dark anodized rims were introduced a few years ago as a fashionable
alternative to shiny metal finish, possibly as a response to non
metallic composites. Some of these rims were touted as HARD anodized
implying greater strength. Hard anodizing of aluminum, in contrast to
cosmetic anodizing, produces a porous ceramic oxide that forms in the
surface of the metal, as much as 1/1000 inch thick, about half below
the original surface and half above. It is not thick enough to affect
the strength of the rim but because it is so rigid, acts like a thin
coat of paint on a rubber band. The paint will crack as the rubber
stretches before any load is carried by the rubber. Similarly,
anodizing cracks before the aluminum carries any significant load.
Rims are made from long straight extrusions that are rolled into
helical hoops from which they are cut to length. Rims are often
drilled and anodized before being rolled into a hoop and therefore,
the anodizing is already crazed when the rim is made. Micro-cracks in
thick (hard) anodizing can propagate into the metal as a wheel is
loaded with every revolution to cause whole sections of the rim to
break out at its spoke sockets. In some rims, whole sidewalls have
separated through the hollow chamber so that the spokes remained
attached to the inner hoop and the tire on the outer one. In
contrast, colored anodizing is generally too thin to initiate cracks.
As an example, Mavic MA-2 rims have rarely cracked except on tandems,
while the identical MA-40 rims, with a relativley thin anodizing, have
cracked often.
Anodizing is also a thermal and electrical insulator. Because heat is
generated in the brake pads and not the rim, braking energy must flow
into the rim to be dissipated to the atmosphere. Anodizing, although
relatively thin, impedes this heat transfer and reduces braking
efficiency by raising the surface temperature of the brakes. When
braking in wet conditions, road grit wears off anodizing on the
sidewall, an effect that improves braking.
Anodizing is not heat treatment and has no effect on the structural
properties of the aluminum."
The link: http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8c.2.html
Roberto