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Full Campy Centaur 10 speed! Deda Magic stem/bars, Deddaccai Energy frame, Ambrosio wheels, Era saddle.http://images.overstock.com/f/102/3117/30m/www.overstock.com/images/products/L400414.jpg
$1234.00!! $3 shipping!
limited sizes but if it fits, this thing is cheaper than just the grouppo!
overstock.com
UPDATE NOTICED BY WILLIECOYOTE- price reduced $999.00

got to be one of those too good to be true deals.

I'm thinking of buying it and I really don't need another road bike but every part on that bike is sweet! (except the seatpost, maybe).
Rubino tires too-solid tires!
Overstock always has deals like this, but this one is particularly sweet!

Centaur is the bottom of Campy's line; a complete gruppo sells for under $650. The price for the bike is OK, but nothing to get overexcited about, IMO.

RichC

i'd never even heard of the site. might have to keep an eye on it from now on.

Originally posted by Rich Clark
Centaur is the bottom of Campy's line; a complete gruppo sells for under $650. The price for the bike is OK, but nothing to get overexcited about, IMO.

RichC

You obviously know very little about Campagnolo.

Uh, what are you talking about?! Centaur (formerly Daytona) is directly comparable to Ultegra. That is a legit $1900 bike. Good luck finding a full Campy Centaur equipped bike for under that. Especially with DEDA control deck and nice wheelset. You hardly ever see a Campy bike at this price point. You will NEVER see a Centaur bike for $1300 I can bet the farm on that.
Full 105 bikes go for $1100 and Veloce (105 competitor) is below Centaur.


Originally posted by Rich Clark
Centaur is the bottom of Campy's line; a complete gruppo sells for under $650. The price for the bike is OK, but nothing to get overexcited about, IMO.

RichC

Man, you Campy fans are thin-skinned! I'm not saying it's not fine stuff, or not better than Ultegra, or anything else.

l'm just saying you can find comparable buys elsewhere. GVH will build you a complete bike with Centaur on a CAAD3 frame for $1400, for example, and you'll be able to get the frame in your size, too.

And I don't believe Marin is exactly famous for their road frames, either.

All I'm saying is that buying a partially-assembled leftover bike from an online retailer that's not even a bike dealer for a price that's only a hundred or two less than a better bike from a real dealer is not my idea of a bargain.

RichC

"Centaur is the bottom of Campy's line" = don't know what you're talking about. It has nothing to do with "thin skin" it is just plain inaccurate.

partially assembled bike? just like if you got it from anyone thru the mail? Yeah, I'll put a seatpost, pedals and handlebars on. Big deal. It's the same with any other mail order.

Caad 3 with what wheelset and parts? The Energy frame is more comparable to the Caad 4 or 5 so compare it to those prices.

Typical aluminum bikes with full Ultegra run $1600-$1800+
A 105 bike is about $1000-$1600+
All the parts (not including frame) will run about $1000
How much do others charge for shipping? $25-40

Marin road frames aren't famous but they are good. And yes, that is a GREAT deal for that bike!

Yup, Centaur (formerly Daytona) IS the bottom of the
Campy line, the racing line that is.
It is considered in the same line as Record and Chorus.
Recreational line include Veloce, Mirage and I believe
Xenon is the bottom of the barrel.
Alot of folks think Centaur is the most bang for the
buck of the campy lineup.
at $1237 shipping included this is a steal.

just my $.02 worth
Marty

Originally posted by lotek
Yup, Centaur (formerly Daytona) IS the bottom of the
Campy line, the racing line that is.
It is considered in the same line as Record and Chorus.
Recreational line include Veloce, Mirage and I believe
Xenon is the bottom of the barrel.
Alot of folks think Centaur is the most bang for the
buck of the campy lineup.
at $1237 shipping included this is a steal.

just my $.02 worth
Marty

Actually, Veloce is considered the 'entry level race' gruppo in Campagnolos line.

Centaur, Chorus and Record are not considered the 'same line' Centaur has parts that are not interchangeable with Chorus and record.
Xenon and Mirage are considered entry level...Veloce and Centaur are mid/upper mid level, Chorus and Record are the top......You think Centaur is bottom of the barrel? Keep deluding yourself.:(

Originally posted by H20.1
You think Centaur is bottom of the barrel? Keep deluding yourself.:(
Deluding myself? reread what I said, the bottom
of the RACING line.
Your mistaken about the heirarchy of Veloce and Centaur.
to quote from CAMPAGNOLO's web site:

The Veloce Groupset is the top of the middle range. The quality of the materials, the performance, the finish and its durability have moved it up to the top of the class.
and on Centaur

The Centaur groupset inaugurates the top end of the Campagnolo range and brings outstanding technological content and performance within the reach of a large number of users.


Marty

who is it that's making Marin's frames? Someone italian, and respectable I thought.

Originally posted by lotek

Deluding myself? reread what I said, the bottom
of the RACING line.
Your mistaken about the heirarchy of Veloce and Centaur.
to quote from CAMPAGNOLO's web site:

and on Centaur


Marty

My point is that 'bottom of the barrel' or bottom of anything is not how Id label Centaur stuff.

Many people I know consider Veloce to be entry level race (which I agree with), I know people who raced on Veloce for quite a while..... also Campagnolos website says nothing about Centaur being their entry level race group.

Well I think we could get to arguing
semantics but I really don't want to go there.
My original point was very tongue in cheek.
I don't for a minute think that centaur is
bottom of the barrel.
And I also don't believe that Veloce is in
any way an inferior group, yeah there
are differences in finish and materials but
it still functions very well.
FWIW I'd take veloce over ultegra any day
but then thats just my preference.

Marty

Marin's are very nice bikes, I have a friend who swears by them with a full campy groupo, sounds like a good deal to me, for a nice bike. :)

All I was trying to say was that you can normally get a Centaur bike for around that price anyway. Not that all Centaur bikes are that price, but that the Overstock deal, while very good if you happen to fit the geometry in one of the few (all small) sizes they have left, is not the deal of a lifetime, not super exceptional, and certainly not cheaper than just buying the gruppo alone as one poster asserted.

Saying "bottom of Campy's line" was inaccurate, although I did mean to echo what Camagnolo themselves say -- that it's their "entry" to their "professional" level components.

And I absolutely believe that buying an expensive bike from a non-cycling source is fraught with peril, unless you are already familiar with the model in question. And I wonder what this means: "Warranty: 30 days limited - manufacturer."

If seeing this made anybody out there yearn for a Centaur bike but they need a bigger frame or different geometry, www.gvhbikes.com has a sterling reputation.

RichC

All I was trying to say was that you can normally get a Centaur bike for around that price anyway. Not that all Centaur bikes are that price, but that the Overstock deal, while very good if you happen to fit the geometry in one of the few (all small) sizes they have left, is not the deal of a lifetime, not super exceptional, and certainly not cheaper than just buying the gruppo alone as one poster asserted.

I've never seen a Centaur bike for anywhere near that $1200 price. About the closest I've seen is the Bianchi Veloce which one of the LBS had on sale/closeout at $1100, but it has the Campy Mirage/Veloce 9spd setup. I've also seen the Pinarello Angliru with the same group as the Bianchi except it was priced at $1500. And that's with a full Veloce group (with no Mirage components) costing about $200 less than the Centaur group.

But as you said, you can certainly buy Centaur for less than the price on this bike, but if the size fits you this is a hell of a deal.

Andrew

Originally posted by Rich Clark
All I was trying to say was that you can normally get a Centaur bike for around that price anyway. Not that all Centaur bikes are that price, but that the Overstock deal, while very good if you happen to fit the geometry in one of the few (all small) sizes they have left, is not the deal of a lifetime, not super exceptional, and certainly not cheaper than just buying the gruppo alone as one poster asserted.



talking in circles makes me want to :crash:

Why do you keep pushing gvh? This deal still beats them and I was just pointing out something I came across that was a good deal that I wanted to pass on to the group is that ok with you?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Ajay213


I've never seen a Centaur bike for anywhere near that $1200 price. About the closest I've seen is the Bianchi Veloce which one of the LBS had on sale/closeout at $1100, but it has the Campy Mirage/Veloce 9spd setup. I've also seen the Pinarello Angliru with the same group as the Bianchi except it was priced at $1500. And that's with a full Veloce group (with no Mirage components) costing about $200 less than the Centaur group.

But as you said, you can certainly buy Centaur for less than the price on this bike, but if the size fits you this is a hell of a deal.

Andrew

Bianchi Veloce's sport FULL Veloce components. To my knowledge they have never had Mirage components....for the last 3 years they have been full Veloce with Centaur front deraileur on the triple.

My Veloce was 1300 on closeout and 1450 regular......Ive never seen a Centaur bike for less than 1400..

Originally posted by H20.1
Bianchi Veloce's sport FULL Veloce components...
Actually, I understand that it has a Centaur FD... :D

Originally posted by velocipedio

Actually, I understand that it has a Centaur FD... :D

bastard! :mad: :o :crash: :D

My wife has Bianchi Campione and that model
has the mix of Veloce and Mirage.

Marty

Yep, you guys are of course correct here, I mixed up the models of Bianchi (and probably a bunch of other bikes). I believe the Pinarello I mentioned is also full Veloce as well...at least some versions of it (their website lists Veloce or Xenon).

The point is still the same, I've never seen a Centaur 10spd bike for anywhere near the $1200.

Andrew

FWIW, I built a LeMond Zurich 2001 frame, Centaur-10 equipped with Chorus hubs, CXP33 rims, 3T, etc. for around $ 1400. I paid just over $ 300 for the frame/fork. Everything on the bike is new, except for the frameset. So, IMO that is a good deal if you're small.

I got my bianchi SL Daytona for $1200.00. I thought that was a pretty awesome price! It was a left over 2001 but brand new.

I think alot of you have sticks in yer azzes over this Campy stuff.Excel sells a Centaur build kit for $889. That leaves about $345 for the frameset.Try and do better for that money!Marin is ok,and made by a small shop in Italy I think.I wouldn't throw it out with the dishwater.Warranty might be asn issue for them that worry about such stuff.

I think alot of you have sticks in yer azzes over this Campy stuff

I suppose you would know - your posts seem to indicate a certain expertise in that nether area.

OTOH, you can get a Centaur gruppo for nearly half what you quoted, so the frame could be better for that overall price.

Cheers...Gary

:roflmao:

Geez, what a fuss over the Campy line.

It looks like a good deal to me Racerx!

When you buy a bike, do you go for a small frame or a large frame? The reason I ask is, I was ordering my bike the other day, and I couldn't decide between a 54cm or a 56cm. They both fit, just one has a little longer stem and more standover height. The Specialized rep said for racing a smaller frame would be better if I could get away with it. But I'd never heard of that before, other than for track racing.

Originally posted by gmason




OTOH, you can get a Centaur gruppo for nearly half what you quoted, so the frame could be better for that overall price.

.Gary duh?? do you know the difference between a grouppo and a build kit. Everything you need to build the bike.check www.excelsports.com

In hopes not to get in the middle of anything here. But if you go back to the site, the bike price has been reduced.
They're askin $999.99 now, but only have 3 sizes, 49, 51, 53
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it, for what its worth.

If I could only ride a 53

wonder if you could get some kind of surgery to make yourself shorter, that way I could ride smaller/lighter bikes :D

duh??

Good to see the quality of your posts improving. :o

Sorry to disappoint - but yes I do. It was supposed to be an indicator, not an anal comparative. Would you prefer $500?

Cheers...Gary

Originally posted by fubar5

When you buy a bike, do you go for a small frame or a large frame? The reason I ask is, I was ordering my bike the other day, and I couldn't decide between a 54cm or a 56cm. They both fit, just one has a little longer stem and more standover height. The Specialized rep said for racing a smaller frame would be better if I could get away with it. But I'd never heard of that before, other than for track racing.

If you can fit the 54cm than I would go for it. The bike feels more "tossable" and if you are going for weight, the smaller frame is better. Also, it allows you to drop the bars down further for a more aero position on the bike.
If you aren't racing or the 56 headtube height is good for you than either one is ok.

take a look at this
$1000 for 853 frame with full ultegra...


http://www.supergo.com/itemdisplay.asp?itempageitemid=18922

http://www.supergo.com/images/items/completebikes/full/SGO_R853_Red-f.jpg

change out the wheelset, and you have a really nice bike.

edit: this was supposed to be an edit for the last one...

The Supergo bike is ok. I think the Marin frame is better and has better components like the stem, post, fork and bars. dig the paint matched straight bladed fork too. The Scattante has generic parts for that.
The Marin also has a much better wheelset and paintjob.

Heck, if you're going to spend a grand $ you might as well get a discounted name brand rather than the "generic" bike. Nothing wrong with the Scatt but it still isn't as good a deal as the Marin. Everything on the Marin is name-brand stuff.

I noticed it is a white bike with different components- it was the red/blue one when I originally posted. I like the white better! Looks very Italian-chic.

Originally posted by RacerX


If you can fit the 54cm than I would go for it. The bike feels more "tossable" and if you are going for weight, the smaller frame is better. Also, it allows you to drop the bars down further for a more aero position on the bike.
If you aren't racing or the 56 headtube height is good for you than either one is ok.

Thanks alot. I'll go ahead with the 54 cm then.:beer:

the bike is now reduced down to 899... and there's a 10%off coupon floating around somewhere

NOW is it a great deal?? :)

I was in Las Vegas last week.
I visited a Sporting goods store called Sport Chalet.
I was SHOCKED to see Campy equipped Marin bikes on the floor. When I saw the price tag at like 1199, I thought it seemed like a pretty decent deal. When the bike shop Manager saw me drooling on them he came over to let me know they were on clearance for an additional 25% off. I nearly fell over. Of course, I still didn't have the money to buy one, but man was I impressed.
Hey, anyone out there, they probably still have a couple on sale!!
(They are at the new store on Charleston out in Summerlin.)

ChipR

I also noted that they had what appeared to be a pretty well set-up "bike shop" area and the Mgr. seemed pretty knowledgeable about the products. I know nothing about thier service but I would imagine that it would, by default, be better than an on-line retailer. Just my 0.02