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Well wanting to drop some weight my doctor/personal trainner (he does a bit of both) recommened a Low fat, high protien, low-mid carbs/starch
That in mind, does anyone have any recipies for that kind of diet? Please don't say just go to subway...that bores me and I love to cook...
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Cut 4 chicken breasts into quarters. Salt and pepper. Brown them in a skillet, on medium high heat with about a tbs of olive oil, just give them some color, don't cook them thru, remove. Brown 1 onion in the same skillet . Add 2 cloves crushed garlic and a cup of white wine. Add the chicken back in and simmer uncovered for about 15 minutes. Serve with a green salad. I love Girard's fat free caesar dressing.
Learn to love lowfat cottage cheese! It is low is calories, low in fat and has tons of protein.
--There are so many things you can do with it too! I mix in jam, or fresh fruit, or fiber cereal and fresh fruit. Its also good in protein shakes, use part milk, cottage cheese, frozen berries and protein powder.
--Also hummus and veggies - a good way to get get your veggies and protein at once.
--turkey jerky as a to-go snack. (best calorie to protein, non refrigerated snack out there)
-- if you love to cook, i like the south beach diet or other "low-GI" diet recipe books because they utliize good carbs (whole wheat, veggies, beans, etc) and high protein. they both have recipe websites.
-- ok an actual recipe. get package of turket cutlets, salt and sautee with cooking spray on medium heat to cooked through, but just barely. then put to side, and throw in some sliced mushrooms and onions on low-med heat for a couple minutes. add teaspoon cornstarch, some chicken broth and some vermouth (or white wine). stir and cook for another couple of minutes, add some capers. throw the turkey back in for a minute and then oila! low fat, high protein, and yummy turkey. the biggest mistake is overcooking the turkey cutlets and undercooking the mushrooms.
A high protein, low fat diet is just a "Politicaly correct" Atkins diet with no more thought or science to it than that.
I don't want to stop you making your own choices yet I feel compeled to post this reference so that you can have another point of view,
http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/southbeachdiet.html
For a couple of reasons the WAPF rates the South Beach diet less desirable than a low fat, high carbohydrate diet.
Regards, Anthony
A high protein, low fat diet is just a "Politicaly correct" Atkins diet with no more thought or science to it than that.
I don't want to stop you making your own choices yet I feel compeled to post this reference so that you can have another point of view,
http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/southbeachdiet.html
For a couple of reasons the WAPF rates the South Beach diet less desirable than a low fat, high carbohydrate diet.
Regards, Anthony
Uh... what happened to the Atkins company recently???
Uh... what happened to the Atkins company recently???
I've got no idea.
The Atkins diet wasn't reccomended by the WAPF although to be honest there was actually a gap in view between Dr Atkins and the company he started. Dr Atkins was closer to WAPF principles than the company. The company prompted soy based foodstuffs that aren't reccomended by WAPF.
I don't count carbohydrates and I don't reccomend it for anyone else. I eat plenty of vegetables but I don't eat starches which are lacking in nutrition anyway. I eat whatever I wan't in moderation and I'm not scared of fat. I genuinely don't like starchy foods.
Anyway, the WAPF point is that a high protein food diet lacking in fat is a recipie for malnutrition and in fact if your still suffer from fat paronia then eating high carbohydrate is healthier.
Regards, Anthony
Here's a great one. Tandoori chicken the easy way.
1 can Tandoori Chicken spice mix (purchase at Indian grocer)
A little salt
Yogurt (plain, nonfat if you want)
Chicken drumsticks, thighs, or breasts, on the bone.
Remove skin from chicken and put parts in a large mixing bowl. Sprinkle evenly with a little salt. Sprinkle with tandoori seasoning. Add yogurt and coat.
Allow to sit for a few minutes. Grill until done. Serve with flatbreads and simple salad. Yummy.
I've got no idea.
The Atkins diet wasn't reccomended by the WAPF although to be honest there was actually a gap in view between Dr Atkins and the company he started. Dr Atkins was closer to WAPF principles than the company. The company prompted soy based foodstuffs that aren't reccomended by WAPF.
I don't count carbohydrates and I don't reccomend it for anyone else. I eat plenty of vegetables but I don't eat starches which are lacking in nutrition anyway. I eat whatever I wan't in moderation and I'm not scared of fat. I genuinely don't like starchy foods.
Anyway, the WAPF point is that a high protein food diet lacking in fat is a recipie for malnutrition and in fact if your still suffer from fat paronia then eating high carbohydrate is healthier.
Regards, Anthony
Yeah, I've never been a fan of fad-diets much anyway. Personally I don't think fats and cholesterol's that bad. I don't know if it was an editing error in that book-review, but fats aren't used to build cell-walls, it's cholesterol. Fats are just the carrier that transports cholesterol in and out of the liver, like a semi-truck. And cholesterol's the building blocks for most hormones too.
I think the main problem we have from complications with fats and obesity is that people just eat way too damn much for the level of exercise they're doing... It's simple, calories-in vs. calories-out.
I've lost 60 lbs since 1-Jan from eating mainly desserts! My diet consists of 60-80% carbs depending upon the workouts I'm doing. On weekend rides, I'll burn off over 6000 calories and most of my intake's carbs. Certainly doesn't seem to hurt one bit as I'm getting closer and closer to losing the 100lbs I gained since hanging up the bike 10years ago. :)
Hi Anthony G -
I gotta say - I really respect the WAPF, and appreciate your input. But every time someone asks for advice that is not perfectly aligned with the WAPF, you hijack the thread and use it as another soapbox oppurtunity to spread the word.
I can understand if the threads' goal is to debate different types of diets out there - but when someone is asking for advice on a particular subject and you dont agree with it, perhaps you should just let it slide. As they say, if you aren't a smoker, stay out of the smoking section.
I believe there isnt one right way of eating, one right way of training, one right way of practicing religion, or one right way of practicing politics. There are different ways that are right for different people.
If you need to be adamant that your way is right, show it through how you live your life, not by pressing your ideas on others.
sorry for the rant, but had to get it off my chest.
silly
I've lost 60 lbs since 1-Jan from eating mainly desserts! My diet consists of 60-80% carbs depending upon the workouts I'm doing. On weekend rides, I'll burn off over 6000 calories and most of my intake's carbs. Certainly doesn't seem to hurt one bit as I'm getting closer and closer to losing the 100lbs I gained since hanging up the bike 10years ago. :)
Preach on brother :D My diet is comprised of 70-85% carbs and I have trouble keeping weight on with my excersize level.
I don't remember the OP askinfg for anyone's opinion on the merits of his Doctor's advise. Presumably he has enough sense to listen to a doctor he knows instead of complete strangers. AnthonyG already has about 20 other threads going talking about high fat diets. Is it necessary to hijack every post that uses the word "fat". Dude get a life. Eat a vegatable and chill out.
Hi Anthony G -
I gotta say - I really respect the WAPF, and appreciate your input. But every time someone asks for advice that is not perfectly aligned with the WAPF, you hijack the thread and use it as another soapbox oppurtunity to spread the word.
I can understand if the threads' goal is to debate different types of diets out there - but when someone is asking for advice on a particular subject and you dont agree with it, perhaps you should just let it slide. As they say, if you aren't a smoker, stay out of the smoking section.
I believe there isnt one right way of eating, one right way of training, one right way of practicing religion, or one right way of practicing politics. There are different ways that are right for different people.
If you need to be adamant that your way is right, show it through how you live your life, not by pressing your ideas on others.
sorry for the rant, but had to get it off my chest.
silly
I'm sorry if it came over that way but I felt it was important to post a reference on the subject so that an alternative view could be heard. As I said it's up to everyone to make their own opinion based on the best information.
Regards, Anthony
I don't remember the OP askinfg for anyone's opinion on the merits of his Doctor's advise. Presumably he has enough sense to listen to a doctor he knows instead of complete strangers. AnthonyG already has about 20 other threads going talking about high fat diets. Is it necessary to hijack every post that uses the word "fat". Dude get a life. Eat a vegatable and chill out.
Actually I DO eat vegetables!
You know the funny thing is that I eat MORE vegetables than many of the people who follow vegan/vegetarian diets. Go figure that one out.
Regards, Anthony
I'm sorry if it came over that way but I felt it was important to post a reference on the subject so that an alternative view could be heard. As I said it's up to everyone to make their own opinion based on the best information.
I agree an alternative opinion is good, however considering that you include the link in every thread related to food, I dont consider it alternative anymore. Also, the poster wasn't asking advice on what he should be eating, he was looking to follow his doctor's advice. And when someone gives advice that wasnt requested, thats when it starts falling into the soapbox category IMHO. Perhaps we could have a seperate thread on the WAPF that you could make sure to keep going...
Actually I DO eat vegetables!
You know the funny thing is that I eat MORE vegetables than many of the people who follow vegan/vegetarian diets. Go figure that one out.
Regards, Anthony
I don't really care. Do you know any good low fat recipes? Anthony, we are going to have to start calling you D.B. Cooper.
I agree an alternative opinion is good, however considering that you include the link in every thread related to food, I dont consider it alternative anymore. Also, the poster wasn't asking advice on what he should be eating, he was looking to follow his doctor's advice. And when someone gives advice that wasnt requested, thats when it starts falling into the soapbox category IMHO. Perhaps we could have a seperate thread on the WAPF that you could make sure to keep going...
I understand your point but I'm going to have to disagree on a couple of points. OK this IS an extreme example but if someone asked for advise on how to commit a hate crime or murder someone should I refrain from saying anything simply because I don't have any advise on the subject.
Giving references is something I beleive in doing on scientific principles and theres not enough of it being done.
Regards, Anthony
I don't really care. Do you know any good low fat recipes? Anthony, we are going to have to start calling you B.D. Cooper.
Hey you can eat low fat recipies as much as you like. My point is that low fat, low carb, high protein diets are simply a politicaly correct creation that are less healthy than low fat, high carbohydrate diets.
My aim is to inform. After that it's up to you.
Regards, Anthony
I understand the Americans and Australians are separated by a common language, but, Anthony I really don't know what you didn't understand about my last post.
If your point is to inform start a new thread, if your point is to annoy, continue to hijack this thread.
I understand the Americans and Australians are separated by a common language, but, Anthony I really don't know what you didn't understand about my last post.
If your point is to inform start a new thread, if your point is to annoy, continue to hijack this thread.
I put forward my message at the beginning. If you wanted to ignore it so be it. No one had to respond.
What's going on now is an example of group dynamics or peer preasure. By taking me on you are hoping that I will desist from posting anything that doesn't fit the current politically acceptable view.
Verbal bullying basically!
Look I've always stood up to bullying so it's not an aproach that's going to get you anywhere with me.
Regards, Anthony
Anthony, you have answered my question. Its a shame you didn't realize you were answering it.
Anthony, you have answered my question. Its a shame you didn't realize you were answering it.
AHH don't "KID" yourself CardiacKid. LOL, I cracked a funny!
I can understand a bullying post when I read one.
Regards, Anthony
Edit: Wow that came off bad.
I'm not out to debate whats the best diet.
Honsetly I think the low carb thing isn't going to work for me, I'm used to eating a very big carb meal before riding, so thats out.
Basicly I want some recipies that are low in fat/cals.
Your really alinging your use of WAPF bandwagon with commiting a Hate crime on whether you should be involved or not. Get real.
I understand your point but I'm going to have to disagree on a couple of points. OK this IS an extreme example but if someone asked for advise on how to commit a hate crime or murder someone should I refrain from saying anything simply because I don't have any advise on the subject.
Giving references is something I beleive in doing on scientific principles and theres not enough of it being done.
Regards, Anthony
Well wanting to drop some weight my doctor/personal trainner (he does a bit of both) recommened a Low fat, high protien, low-mid carbs/starch
That in mind, does anyone have any recipies for that kind of diet? Please don't say just go to subway...that bores me and I love to cook...
This is kind of boring but good.
4 thawed boneless, skinless chicken breasts. Place in baking dish.
Slice one green pepper into long strips and bunch of fresh mushrooms. Most supermarkets have pre-sliced mushrooms in the produce isle. Maybe red onions if you are so inclined. Spread evenly on top of chicken.
Use one can (or two if you love tomatoes :) ) of Del Monte Diced Tomatoes with Basil, Garlic, and Oregano. Pour over everything. Bake at 350F for 45 minutes (covered or uncovered, your choice) or until chicken is cooked through.
Prepare 1/2 to 1 lb of pasta of your choice. I prefer noodles with high surface area (bow ties or riggatoni). Serve chicken and veggies over bed of pasta. Serves four.
Get a George Foreman grill. I LOVE mine. You can cook/make so many things as well.
Well wanting to drop some weight my doctor/personal trainner (he does a bit of both) recommened a Low fat, high protien, low-mid carbs/starch
That in mind, does anyone have any recipies for that kind of diet? Please don't say just go to subway...that bores me and I love to cook...
Subway would not fit that bill anyways. It is just bread (a whole loaf actually) with highly proccessed deli meats/cheese on it. How does the company get so many people to think Subway is fresh. Those meats last forever with how much preservative is in them. Jarad will die young...
One of my favorite recipe books is Eat More, Weigh Less by Dr. Dean Ornish. He supports a diet with only 10% fat. I can't keep my fat % that low for my whole diet, but his recipes are the best I have found . . . lots of flavor and spices, very little fat, low calories, and high vegetables. He has another one called something like Everyday Cooking which also has nice recipes.
He has everything from pizzas, chili, and quesadillas to apple crisp and peach cobbler.
Sandyy
Protein
• Meat (steak, chicken, lean beef, etc.)
• Natural Peanut Butter
• Milk
• Whey Powder
• Peanuts
• Eggs
• Fish
• Cottage Cheese
• Tuna
Here is a recipe the OP might like. Do you like that canned pink salmon? Not the old fashioned kind with rubbery little bones, but the kind that comes in little cans like tuna? It's pretty tasty, mostly protein, some of that good Omega-3 fat, no carbs at all. Well, here's a recipe for it that makes one serving for a cyclist or two servings for normal people:
Elvish Salad
Chop 1 small head of romaine lettuce, half of a large red sweet pepper, and half a small red onion. Mince a clove of garlic. Toss it all in a salad bowl. Drizzle over it 1 tsp. extra virgin olive oil and the juice of 1/2 lemon. Put the little can of salmon on it. Season with salt and black pepper.
I think you'll like this salad. The recipe is simple and delicious. It's high in protein, low in carbs and fairly low in fat. It has lots of nutritional value, no matter what kind of diet you are following.
OT: Personally, like most cyclists, I go for a high carb, moderate protein, low fat diet. That's what works best for me, and my doctor approves. But if the OP wants something else, I will either give him something else, or shut the hell up.
High protein diets have been disproved long ago. They have no advantages and they stress the kidney's in having to process out and eliminate all that excess protein.
The term "low fat" is misunderstood. It should be "low animal fat". You need at least 30% of your calories from fat for good health. Less than half of that 30% should probably come from meat/cheese/ milk/etc. A good source of non-animal fat is peanut better. Fish is another good source, if you like Mercury. Choose fish at the bottom of the fish-food chain to minimize the mercury. Sardines packed in olive oil are a good choice. Olive oil is another good non-animal source of fat.
Al
Elvish Salad
Chop 1 small head of romaine lettuce, half of a large red sweet pepper, and half a small red onion. Mince a clove of garlic. Toss it all in a salad bowl. Drizzle over it 1 tsp. extra virgin olive oil and the juice of 1/2 lemon. Put the little can of salmon on it. Season with salt and black pepper.
Pure gold! Thx! :)
I actully decided against any fancy diets and got in touch with my uncle, a personal trainner, nutritionalist, and kick boxing instructor. He drew me up a well balanced diet that leaves me eating 5 small-medium meals a day (a sample meal is like a salad with grilled chicken boiled eggs (no yellow only white) cucumbers, bell pepers, shredded carrots and low fat dressing of your choice, the whole thing is done by weight more or less, a couple of ounces of chicken, and a quarter cup (at most) dressing. It gives me a pretty round meal (protien, fiber, vitamins, anti oxidents, and I'm sure other things) before a work out, I can have a baked potatoe with it as well (easy on the trimmings, low fat sour cream, chives, smidge of bacon bits, and a little bit of cheese)
So far, its the easiest to follow for me, I love it, cause I can do a lot with it
OK this argument comes around every month or so.
Does anyone have any real evidence to suggest that animal fats /saturated fats are harmful or are you just spreading mis-information.
Fats are classified as saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsatrated depending on the chemical bonds within and now there's the dreaded transfatty acids as well.
Saturated means that all the chemical bonds within the fatty acid are ATTACHED to another molecule. This means that saturated fats are VERY stable and very resistent to attack by heat or oxegeon. This is VERY desirable.
Polyunsaturated fats have the most unattached bonds within there chemical structure and therefore are the most reactive. They are easily damaged by heat and oxegeon so are not the best choice for cooking although that seems to be there main use these day's. Transfatty acids will start an oxidative reaction all on there own without any outside influences and are just evil.
Now there's nothing radical in what I've written here. It's all pretty mainstream.
Now simplistically the traditionalist view that I support say's that you are what you eat so if you eat saturated fat your body will be made of saturated fat and this is GOOD because saturated fats are stable and resist oxidative damage and there is no scientific evidence in existence that shows that saturated fats have any link or association with heart disease.
The mainstream view is that saturated fats are bad because they are linked to heart disease even though they can't come up with any evidence to support this theory and that polyunsaturated fats are good because their unstable chemical structure is supposed to act like a sponge, attaching themselves to free radicals and escorting them out of the body. Nice theory but no evidence to support it.
Alternative research suggests that plaque in the arteries has more to do with infection than diet and the irony here is that saturated fats have antiviral, antibacterial and antifungal properties. Just what you need if your fighting infection.
See, http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/hd.html
Regards, Anthony
Dear Anthony G,
The original poster asked for a receipe over a month ago. You've posted nine times since. Each post has either defended your right to post or defended/promoted a website. Stop it. You made your point several weeks ago. Let the truth of your "argument" set in through your silence. Each post you make pimping WAPF makes me less and less inclined to try anything you have to say. If you have a receipe, give it.
Sincerely,
Patrick
OK this argument comes around every month or so.
Does anyone have any real evidence to suggest that animal fats /saturated fats are harmful or are you just spreading mis-information.
Regards, Anthony
What do you need as "real" evidence? Two possible sources that come to mind is the 2005 USDA nutrition guide and Chris Carmichaels Food for Fitness which is co-authored by nutritionists. You could also talk to your doctor.
The government guide has been evolving for decades essentially tracking the increase in understanding of nutrition's impact on health. You'll find the consensus opinion of some of the country's leading experts on the subject of what you should eat. The recommendations are not high protein and high animal fat, it's will be quality carbs. It's 80 pages is available as a free download. You can find it with Google.
Carmichaels book provides some supporting rationale and is slanted to the athlete. Your doctor might or might not have some nutrition training.
Al
This theory that animal fat is bad has been around for long enough now that there should be no more excuses for not having the scientific evidence to prove it. Scientific evidence is the standard in the western world. Not a consensus amongst followers and promoters of a faith.
This whole farce is kind of embarrasing I know and having me continue to challenge it is even more embarrasing. Anyway here in the western world we beleive that scientific evidence is king and not just a "consensus". Anyone got any scientific proof?
Regards, Anthony
This theory that animal fat is bad has been around for long enough now that there should be no more excuses for not having the scientific evidence to prove it. Scientific evidence is the standard in the western world. Not a consensus amongst followers and promoters of a faith.
This whole farce is kind of embarrasing I know and having me continue to challenge it is even more embarrasing. Anyway here in the western world we beleive that scientific evidence is king and not just a "consensus". Anyone got any scientific proof?
Regards, Anthony
Read the comment more carefully. it was a consensus of experts in the field reviewing the body of scientific evidence. That's the way science works until everything is known, which it isn't. If there's a better way, let's hear it. You eat all the animal fats you want. Possibly your genetics and exercise levels are such it might not matter all that much. Some folks live to 100, are never sick and smoked all their lives.
Al
Stick some skinless chicken breasts in your crock pot for the afternoon. When they're done, chop them into 1/2 in pieces. Take a little olive oil and cook some garlic and some onion a little cumin and oregano and some green chiles. Add the chicken and some of the broth.
I wrap this in a whole wheat flour tortilla and eat way more than I should. If you can find the frozen roasted, peeled, chopped green chile it is very, very good. Of course, the hotter the better (gotta get those endorphins going)!
Oh, Anthony G. GIVE IT A REST DUDE!
Don't neglect the good fats... olive oil, nuts.
And I love sweet potatoes, winter squashes (roast them both with drizzled olive oil) and bean. Lentils, chickpeas, cannolini.. bean soups are the best!
Read the comment more carefully. it was a consensus of experts in the field reviewing the body of scientific evidence. That's the way science works until everything is known, which it isn't. If there's a better way, let's hear it. You eat all the animal fats you want. Possibly your genetics and exercise levels are such it might not matter all that much. Some folks live to 100, are never sick and smoked all their lives.
Al
Actually science isn't a consensus of experts. To have scientific evidence you need to know cause and effect. You also need to have done a suitable, controlled scientific trial. A number of trials have been conducted trying to prove that animal fats were harmful but embarrasingly they all proved the opposite.
Why haven't you been told? Well judging by my responses here it's because you didn't want to know!
The issue in my view is that's it's become a political problem, not a scientific one and that's exactly what's going on here. I apoligise for being a smart arse because I think I know better but if anyone has any evidence to prove me wrong then please do so.
Regards, Anthony
Actually science isn't a consensus of experts. Regards, Anthony
Public policy is developed by consesnus of experts who review the status of the science (what's known and not known) and then promulgate guidlines. By the way, I worked in research and development (i.e. "science") for thirty five years. I have some experience in "science", not to mention the education. Maybe you should bone-up a little on the subject.
Al
So, not to change the subject and get back on topic, but. . . .
How is Elvish doing on the new new diet? It looks like not many carbs, still. Do you get enough energy to ride your bike?
Public policy is developed by consesnus of experts who review the status of the science (what's known and not known) and then promulgate guidlines. By the way, I worked in research and development (i.e. "science") for thirty five years. I have some experience in "science", not to mention the education. Maybe you should bone-up a little on the subject.
Al
One of the difficulties in takling about science is that no one knows what it is because no one does any.
Research and development is NOT science. Science is research and development that has been conducted USING the scientific method. Just because your doing research and development doesn't mean your doing science by any measure and you've put your finger on the problem here.
By definition you can't patent science, only research and development so science can only be done by public or philanthropic organizations. Private organizations that wish to patent their research by definition prevent one of the most important aspects of science from taking place. That is the "free and fearless critical review by ALL it's peers". Not just a selected one who doesn't have the resources at their disposal to do a credible job anyway.
Science isn't science just because somone of high rank say's it is. Science must always be put on the table and a critic like me always has a right to ask difficult questions and also to be given the evidence and not be fobbed off. I'm still waiting to see what "science there is to support the lipid theory and most importantly what control study they did in the first place.
So to end one of my favorite questions. What is the scientific method and who did the scientific trial that proved it works?
Regards, Anthony
So, not to change the subject and get back on topic, but. . . .
How is Elvish doing on the new new diet? It looks like not many carbs, still. Do you get enough energy to ride your bike?
Yeah the baked potato helps (when I eat one) and if I feel a bit, off I munch on a clif bar or gel and I'm fine its actully a lot like the track diet I ran on, sometimes I'd munch ona loaf of bread on teh way to the meets :p
I found out last week that I have borderline high cholesterol. My docter recommended cutting out cholesterol and saturated fat from my diet. Make your own conclusions.
I found out last week that I have borderline high cholesterol. My docter recommended cutting out cholesterol and saturated fat from my diet. Make your own conclusions.
If your doctor say's that your cholesterol is slightly elevated then most likely it's at the correct level.
See, http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/benefits_cholest.html and make of it what you will.
Regards, Anthony
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