Advocacy & Safety - Is everybody who posts on this folder illiterate??

Geez, just look at all the misspellings in the title lines!!!

"Waht is cycliing advocacy?"

"Whatsa in front of me is not important!"

"thieft"

Man, **** plaec has gon downhil.......

I resent that remark...my mother and father were married months before I was born!

Is everybody who posts on this folder illiterate??

You misspelled "stubborn, self-righteous, and unable to understand others' opinions"

bk

You get what you pay for ;)

Try subtlety next time- you'll get extra points for it.

For the record, I think
"Whatsa in front of me is not important!"

is an imitation of Mario, a la, "Itsa me! I'ma gonna win"

I resent that remark...my mother and father were married months before I was born!

Mine weren't, but they were brother and sister for years before I was born, do I get points for that?

Is everybody who posts on this folder illiterate??

You misspelled "stubborn, self-righteous, and unable to understand others' opinions" Be careful about nit-picking peoples "faults" on this NG. You will get absolutely no sympathy (speaking from experience). People are not illiterate, they are lazy and if their message is spelled close enough to get the message across then it's OK with them. Typically, the attitude is this, if you try to spell check posters, you are considered "stubborn, self-righteous, and unable to understand others' opinions". Consider yourself lucky enough to recognize words that are misspelled and then let it be. They ain't gonna change for you. Live and let live.

d.tipton

How, precisely, does one post "on" a "folder"? Don't you mean in this forum, my pedantic friend? Also, according to what definition of literacy is it considered "literate" to end a sentence with two question marks?

Yours in pedantry,
PC

For the record, I think
"Whatsa in front of me is not important!"

is an imitation of Mario, a la, "Itsa me! I'ma gonna win"

Actually it was a twist from Cannonball Run, I believe "Whatsa behind me, she's not important!", but thanks for playing. Johnny, tell him what prizes he could have won...

Interesting commentary coming from a cutter who can't even spell his name correctly (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078902/) :)

Mine weren't, but they were brother and sister for years before I was born, do I get points for that?
Points, no, but perhaps extra toes.

Geez, just look at all the misspellings in the title lines!!!

"Waht is cycliing advocacy?"

"Whatsa in front of me is not important!"

"thieft"

Man, **** plaec has gon downhil.......

What's Geez mean?

folder? i guess you answered your own question.

There's a valid point to be made here. There was a recent thread regarding a newspaper editorial that painted an unkind picture of cyclists. One of the least literate members of the A&S forums contacted the writer by email, expressing his opinions in his own form of woefully poor grammar. Several of us agreed that we could not have chosen a worse spokesperson. The writer dismissed the forum member as a nut-job, partially based on the difficulty of understanding what he was trying to communicate. So let's view this as an opportunity for a constructive dialogue.

We all make tpyos once in a while. Happens to everyone. But how many of us dismiss the comments made by other members when their posts are barely legible? If someone has problems with basic spelling and punctuation, not to mention sentence structure, does this affect how you view their comments?

By the way, that was intentional, ok?

In my opinion, when someone opens their mouth and says something stupid, it's excusable unless it's on a regular basis. It's a different story when one is writing, however, because there is plenty of time to proofread and spellcheck, so really, if your posts look like crap, you're either dumb, lazy or both. Don't mean to sound harsh, and I know a lot of people are like "OMG, punk rawk, I don't give a **** what anybody thinks," but the truth is, if you consistently make childish spelling typoes, people are gonna think it's a child posting them. It doesn't have to look like your doctorate thesis, but it would behoove you to make it look like an adult human wrote it, dig?

How, precisely, does one post "on" a "folder"? Don't you mean in this forum, my pedantic friend? Also, according to what definition of literacy is it considered "literate" to end a sentence with two question marks?

:beer: If you're going to criticize style and grammar, you'd better be perfect yourself.

We all make the occasional type-o. We should just accept that as part of the conversational nature of this forum. On the other hand, there have been a few posts so full of mistakes that they were difficult to read. It shows a basic lack of courtesy to post something that's so poorly written that it's nearly impossible to read.

Geez, just look at all the misspellings in the title lines!!!

"Waht is cycliing advocacy?"
"Whatsa in front of me is not important!"
"thieft"

Man, **** plaec has gon downhil.......
I'm with you, Dave.



Be careful about nit-picking peoples "faults" on this NG. You will get absolutely no sympathy (speaking from experience). People are not illiterate, they are lazy and if their message is spelled close enough to get the message across then it's OK with them. Typically, the attitude is this, if you try to spell check posters, you are considered "stubborn, self-righteous, and unable to understand others' opinions". Consider yourself lucky enough to recognize words that are misspelled and then let it be. They ain't gonna change for you. Live and let live.

d.tipton
^^And that's why I generally don't make a big deal of it.

People think that because they're giving free advice they don't have to make an effort.
Others are just lazy, and don't want to give language the respect it deserves.
Others seem to think that because "you get the message anyway", it's not important how well it's written.
And yet others will retort to a thread about illiteracy by nitpicking the OP.
"Pedant" is far too easy a label to slap on anyone who complains about lazy, sometimes atrocious grammar and spelling.

I have now gotten to the state where sometimes I see the correct version of something, and I have to re-read because I'm so used to it being wrong that I have to think about it. That's just wrong!

Mind you, Dave, have you ever checked out some of the gaming forums? Now *that's* scary :eek:

Hey, moderator, wherever you are, wouldn't this thread be better moved to General, or Foo?

...if you consistently make childish spelling typoes, people are gonna think it's a child posting them.

Yea, but if you make ONE typo (OMG, should I have made that all caps? What will people think of me?) or grammar mistake, people still jump down your throat. Posters get way too anal when it comes to spelling here.

Yea, but if you make ONE typo (OMG, should I have made that all caps? What will people think of me?) or grammar mistake, people still jump down your throat. Posters get way too anal when it comes to spelling here.Yeah, I'll agree with that.

Others seem to think that because "you get the message anyway",



Hmm!

I believe that should be:

Others seem to think that because "you get the message anyway,"

The point being that we all make mistakes. It took me a long time to not worry about spelling and grammar. Now I concentrate on what the person is trying to communicate, no matter how obfuscated the message may be.

But, I do object to the common spelling mistake, often used by those correcting other's grammar, of stating, "That grammer is wrong," or similar statements. That really gets to me. At least they should know enough to spell grammar correctly, if they are going to criticize someone else's grammar!

No, people just can't type.

You've stepped into a losing battle. It took me years to learn to ignore bad grammar and spelling.

One problem that I've noticed is that many of the people who are the worst offenders, and who will say "Lighten up, you're just being a pain, you know what I meant!" seem to function a little differently when it comes to language. I think some of us function more aurally, others more literally. When someone has written a piece of text with a misused homonym, or an improperly placed hyphen or something like that, when read aloud it SOUNDS fine. I think some people mentally convert the writing into subvocalized speech as they're reading, and they're "listening" to that rather than directly reading. For them, homonyms and such are not a problem.

I personally read directly, and when I hit a misuse such as that, it's like a train wreck in my thought flow. I think people who do not subvocalize what they're reading generally read faster and perhaps with better understanding (after all, some meaning is lost in the process of vocalizing). But if the prose is not gramatically correct, it can derail your brain. Then you have to stop, back up, re-read the sentence a few times, untangle the grammar, and try to figure out what the writer actually meant. It's really a PITA.

So to the writer, and to people who think like that, it does seem that the complainers are being ridiculous and pedantic, and they probably can't even really understand what the problem is. But to those complaining, there is a real issue; rather than a clear transfer of ideas from one person to another as we're used to, we're presented with a tangled pile of rope with ideas tied to it, and we have to untangle it before really being sure that we understand the original intent.

So I've given up on worrying about it. I think there are two types of people, one thinks literally and expects to receive a carefully crafted piece of communications that unambigously relates the authors intent; the other kind thinks aurally and when they receive written or aural communications, they just toss the ideas into a heap and assume that whatever their brain makes of the heap is probably what the author intended. I have seen a lot of misunderstandings result from the latter thought process. They think they know what the author meant, but I don't think they can ever be sure of it. Nor can another person really be sure of it when reading THEIR writing.

Similarly, some people have used computers and forums such as this as an opportunity to spend minutes or even hours to write thoughtful and edited ideas and responses. But it seems that most people have used the same facilities to slap stuff out practically without thinking about it. I think many posts are made with less thought than a spoken remark at a party.

However, I don't think you'll ever get someone from camp B to join camp A.

I know this seems elitist. Sorry, I'm just presenting my ideas :->

Nicely presented.

Be careful about nit-picking peoples "faults" on this NG. You will get absolutely no sympathy (speaking from experience). People are not illiterate, they are lazy and if their message is spelled close enough to get the message across then it's OK with them. Typically, the attitude is this, if you try to spell check posters, you are considered "stubborn, self-righteous, and unable to understand others' opinions". Consider yourself lucky enough to recognize words that are misspelled and then let it be. They ain't gonna change for you. Live and let live.

d.tipton


Me personaly i got better things to do than spell and grammer check posts. Things like oh i dont know work on my bike go out on a ride. Clean a place out in my room to put my bike in for the winter....

Oh and to the OP waht was a good old fasion typo. You know the things you do when you time your key strokes wrong or your fingure hits the wrong key. And this is a sub forum not a folder (even though it uses a folder icon)

http://aspell.net/win32/
Spell checker for text.

http://aspell.net/win32/
Spell checker for text.


Lol wont work im on linux :)

edit
seems it is for linux as well i might just have to give it a run through for the heck of it and see how it does.

Besides those things can make a huge mess of your spellign jst as fast as they can correct it. Try writeing out a big email with gmail then spell checking. Theres a accident waitign to happen. It corrects spell to speel lol.

I dislike bad spelling and grammer. Some folks make points that you want to understand and learn from, but are hard to comprehend with certainty. Otherwise, random misspellings happen due to a hurried nature of getting the post accomplished. I've gone back and edited, but toher times don't ahve the time.

;)

Folder? Is that using internet slang?

I dislike bad spelling and grammer. Some folks make points that you want to understand and learn from, but are hard to comprehend with certainty. Otherwise, random misspellings happen due to a hurried nature of getting the post accomplished. I've gone back and edited, but toher times don't ahve the time.

;)

In a rush?

Folder? Is that using internet slang?


My first thought when i seen this post was the op was newb to the internet. Ive never heard the term folder used to describe a forum or sub forum. The net doesnt have folders or drives it has sites and pages.

And oh ye to the original poster proper gramer would be in this folder not on this folder :)

Just cause he wants to hassle others about their grammer

I dislike bad spelling and grammer., but toher times don't ahve the time.

;)
/me pokes savas
ahem hint hint ;)

Just kidding :D

Lol wont work im on linux :)


http://spellbound.sourceforge.net/

http://spellbound.sourceforge.net/

On some posts on forums i just use dslreports spell checker. It works great best one ive found.

Be careful about nit-picking peoples "faults" on this NG. You will get absolutely no sympathy (speaking from experience). People are not illiterate, they are lazy and if their message is spelled close enough to get the message across then it's OK with them. Typically, the attitude is this, if you try to spell check posters, you are considered "stubborn, self-righteous, and unable to understand others' opinions". Consider yourself lucky enough to recognize words that are misspelled and then let it be. They ain't gonna change for you. Live and let live.

d.tipton

Nitpicking is faulting someone for misplacing a comma or transposing letters. When you complain about the public slaughter of the English language, you are not nitpicking.

And, in addition, you pick up habits from the people with whom you associate. No one is asking for perfect English, but something close to it would be an improvement. I would hate for people visiting this site to think cyclists are unschooled, illiterate morons--whether or not that is the actual case.

Their are four errirs in this sentance.

Is everybody who posts on this folder illiterate??

Which folder are you talking about?

This one:
http://www.dahon.com/images/lf-jetstreamxp.jpg

This one:
http://airframe.foldabikes.com/images/airframefold.gif

How 'bout mine:
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/SWIFT_FOLD-2.JPG

Certainly you can't be talking about any of these folders:
http://www.long-john.com/GoBike%20(35).JPG

I agree. Please..."everybody" don't posts anything illiterate on any of these fine folders. It just ain't right.

uh.. typing ain't spellin.

and you spelled forum "folder".

There's a valid point to be made here. There was a recent thread regarding a newspaper editorial that painted an unkind picture of cyclists. One of the least literate members of the A&S forums contacted the writer by email, expressing his opinions in his own form of woefully poor grammar. Several of us agreed that we could not have chosen a worse spokesperson. The writer dismissed the forum member as a nut-job, partially based on the difficulty of understanding what he was trying to communicate. So let's view this as an opportunity for a constructive dialogue.

We all make tpyos once in a while. Happens to everyone. But how many of us dismiss the comments made by other members when their posts are barely legible? If someone has problems with basic spelling and punctuation, not to mention sentence structure, does this affect how you view their comments?

By the way, that was intentional, ok?

Right.

Their are four errirs in this sentance.

:)
Its suppose to be more like this :p

**** sentnece has erorrs in it

Human mind will still interprate it as "this sentence has errors in it". Even with all the transposed letters and spelling errors. Yours show a valid point though. Even with major grammer and spelling errors you still get your point accross. There was a email that made rounds some time ago that was like 12 or 15 lines long and had over 50 spelling errors and mixxed up letter. Yet just reading it and youd say wtf is this guy talking about then you re read it more carefully and see the errors.

Spelling esp with simply out of order letters is not very important in a writen or typed media. As lnog as all the lteters are thrwe and first and lsat are corerct we have no porblem readnig typed messages.
























i included a few more mixxed up letters in my post some where but i bet untill most read this last line they did not even notice them. For those of you who did congratulate your self your n a very small group that makes up less than 25% of the worlds native english speaking population :)

and you spelled forum "folder".
Whoa, that's like spelling "cat" as d-o-g. That can't possibly be a typo. :eek:

There's a valid point to be made here. There was a recent thread regarding a newspaper editorial that painted an unkind picture of cyclists. One of the least literate members of the A&S forums contacted the writer by email, expressing his opinions in his own form of woefully poor grammar. Several of us agreed that we could not have chosen a worse spokesperson. The writer dismissed the forum member as a nut-job, partially based on the difficulty of understanding what he was trying to communicate. So let's view this as an opportunity for a constructive dialogue.

We all make tpyos once in a while. Happens to everyone. But how many of us dismiss the comments made by other members when their posts are barely legible? If someone has problems with basic spelling and punctuation, not to mention sentence structure, does this affect how you view their comments?

By the way, that was intentional, ok?

That moron picked out 3 or 4 spelling screw ups out of around 10 emails to him from me. There was many other emails to him i didnt post all had correct spelling and grammer. I checked and double checked. The ones i posted got screwed over by gmails spell checker. The other emails i sent him i used dlsreports spell checker on that does work.

I sent him spell corrected versions of the same emails i posted here as well. Explaing gmails screw up to him. Gmail if youve never used it is a beta email service from google. Its spell check system is um very beta. It stripped all the spaces out of one email i sent. It was correcting spelling to speeling. I dont know if some joker messed with the dictionary gmail uses or if it was screwed up to begin with.

Their are four errirs in this sentance.
Aha! I figured out the fourth. Good one.

Nitpicking is faulting someone for misplacing a comma or transposing letters. When you complain about the public slaughter of the English language, you are not nitpicking.

And, in addition, you pick up habits from the people with whom you associate. No one is asking for perfect English, but something close to it would be an improvement. I would hate for people visiting this site to think cyclists are unschooled, illiterate morons--whether or not that is the actual case.

Reference the Studnet (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=131436&page=1&pp=15) thread and watch the anti-speller/grammar advocates come out of the woodwork.
Someone mispells. Another points it out. The anti-speller/grammar advocates say "who are you to say that's incorrect". Another posts with the maximum amount of errors possible in one post. The anti-speller/grammar advocates DECIDE thats too much and pound you even more. It's ironic that the the anti-speller/grammar advocates call the nitpickers elitist.

Long live the nit-pickers!
d.tipton

That moron picked out 3 or 4 spelling screw ups out of around 10 emails to him from me. There was many other emails to him i didnt post all had correct spelling and grammer


grammar

grammar

grammar

grammar

grammar

You best get one more spellchecker! Your current one isn't very good.



:eek: . . . i . . . didnt . . . there was . . . . :eek:

...**** sentnece has erorrs in it ...
This séance has horrors in it
Did I get it right?

Amazing how you think the mind puts things together. Just don't forget, different minds put things together differently. That's why if you want a SPECIFIC message to be received, you have to deliver a specific message, not a message that's just in the ballpark.

Eats, shoots, and leaves (http://eatsshootsandleaves.com/ESLquiz.html)

d.tipton

Geez, just look at all the misspellings in the title lines!!!

"Waht is cycliing advocacy?"

"Whatsa in front of me is not important!"

"thieft"

Man, **** plaec has gon downhil.......

U knead to kalm doown. Its knot to bad.

:D

Koffee

U knead to kalm doown. Its knot to bad.

:D

Koffee

Lol i wish a mod would fix that one for me the waht instead of what.

Lol i wish a mod would fix that one for me the waht instead of what.

wat u talkin bout?

:D