Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - who here is vegan?

*disclaimer: not trying to in any way start a debate/flame war over the merits/validity of vegan or non-vegan diets, merely trying to guage how many there are here*

kind of interesting being a total noob to the fixed/singlespeed community (have an IRO mark V on order from before Tony's recent trajedy struck) but in the little research i've done into the community i've seen it mentioned several places that there are a lot of vegans in the ss/fixed community and i've seen a few people post that they were vegan so i was wondering how many of the people posting here are. i've been vegan for 6 years, just now as i said getting a bike and going fixed, wondering what the hell the connection between fixed gear riders and veganism is if there even is any sort of connection at all.

it's been done to death. search function is your friend
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=106352&highlight=vegan

the connection?
vegans are freaks who take their obsession with a healthy lifestyle to an extreme
fixies are freaks who take their obession with bikes to an extreme.

btw I like the freaky people...

derailleurs come from cows

I kill my food
and drink beer
and hard liquor
and swear
and actually ride my ****ing bikes

welcome aboard.

Is vegan really a lot more healthy? I thought it was a philosophy thing. I am not vegan, in case you can't tell.

']I kill my food
and drink beer
and hard liquor
and swear
and actually ride my ****ing bikes

welcome aboard.


Poor defenseless hash browns...

been vegan for about four years been riding fixed for about a year and a half.

Poor defenseless hash browns...
:lol:
no mercy

I'm vegan.

It was not at all a health decision, though I've definitely gotten healthier since I made the switch. But I think the reasoning is mainly just because I pay attention to what I eat now, whereas before I'd not pay as much attention and just didn't eat as healthy. If you're already being picky about trace animal ingredients, it's not hard to be picky about hyrdogenated oils and such too. Also less junk food is vegan, so you just kinda cut it out and don't miss it. That said a vegan could still be an unhealthy eater and try to live off of twizzlers, hershy's chocolate syrup and non-frosted fruit flavored poptarts.

yeah vegans can still die too, its not immortality.

that said im only an octo-lavo vegetarian.

i used to deliver for foodswings in brooklyn, its a vegan fast food restaraunt, i was far from healthy, Everything i ate was depp fried....everything.

']I kill my food
and drink beer
and hard liquor
and swear
and actually ride my ****ing bikes

welcome aboard.

I do all of those things except for killing my food. Or [165]'s food, for that matter.
I do kill fruitflies and mosquitos sometimes, but still have the audacity to call myself a vegan,
and I even write a blog about it (see below).

And *gasp* I eat honey. What kind of ***** is that, you ask? Good question, but I do.

Vegan and healthy.

i didn't eat animals for a very long time.

now i do.

beer is good too.

I have been vegetarian my entire life - blessed to have hippy parents! Vegan was a natural progression for me and it's been 12+ years now, maybe more. Growing up vegetarian to now is funny because you see people come and go and it is defiantly trendy to be socially conscience with your diet now. I welcome the trends - the more the better! It used to be so hard to find a heath food store and now they are on every corner as well as vegi options on menus. Makes my life easier. The same thing with the fixed gear explosion - it makes it easier to get bikes and parts... people complain but with the influx of vegans and bike enthusiast it makes life easier - less of a struggle to get the things you love.

I'm a vegan. It's about simplicity and sustainability for me, and so is riding my fixed gear. Go figure.

there both cool at the moment...... just wait it will pass.

Not anymore... but still vegetarian. Does that count or not extreme cool enough?

oh god there are poser vegans too? do you go to vegan websites and find 529563936 threads about hipster vegans? are the ready-wrapped vegan sandwiches in e vil delis the equivalent of pistas? do you hate stella mccartney for adidas the way these guys hate team puma? is that yellow guide to vegan eating in nyc the equivalent of a spoke card?

:roflmao:

Don't eat red meat or pork. Does that make me Vegan? :D

I eat vegans! does that make me a vegan! You are what you eat, right?

Christ, I love steak. Honestly. Love it. I enjoy delicious too much to be vegan or vegetarian - and this isn't to say there aren't delicious veg dishes - I was accidentally vegetarian for a month or two a little while ago just because that's the food I happened to prepare for myself - there just isn't the variety and depth.

what do we do... at the bar-b-q... if we're vegan!?!

(name that movie)

i dont have the willpower to be. And i really like eating animals. seriously. I have tried several. from monkey to turkey. I would probably eat human if it was legal. MUhahahahahahahahahaha

derailleurs come from cows
Do they really? How so? :eek:

.. there just isn't the variety and depth.

well of course that's technically true (how could a subset contain more elements than its parent set?), most of the vegetarians and vegans that I know (these are people who enjoy cooking) have diets containing far greater variety than most meat-eaters.

"what's for dinner tonight? beef or chicken? mcdonalds?"

It's kind of like people who really get into bikes -- they seek out new components, manufacturers, options... Find a Mallwart bike owner who knows what a moustache bar is.

Not a vegan. I do eat as organic as I can though, and try to avoid eating overly processed meats and whatnot.

But, I occasionally love me a big juicy steak or burger.

I NEVER EVER EVER eat fast food though.

So do Vegans breastfeed their young? I heard this question asked and never heard the answer. If you are Vegan can you tell me if they do or if they don't? And if they do why is that okay since the Vegan young would be ingesting an animal product, and if they don't why is that also okay since breastfeeding is 100% natural? Hmmmm? (I know this has nothing to do with cycling but I didn't start this thread).

seriously?

veganism isn't about not consuming animals products just for the sake of not consuming animal products, it's about not consuming animal products as a rejection of the inhumane exploitation of animals for the most part and health as well. breast feeding is the healthiest thing for babies (if the mother is healthy) and is done totally willingly on the part of the mother. why wouldn't it be ok?

So do Vegans breastfeed their young? I heard this question asked and never heard the answer. If you are Vegan can you tell me if they do or if they don't? And if they do why is that okay since the Vegan young would be ingesting an animal product, and if they don't why is that also okay since breastfeeding is 100% natural? Hmmmm? (I know this has nothing to do with cycling but I didn't start this thread).

I, and most other vegans, don't consume animal products because we don't want to support the exploitation of animals. Generally breast feeding isn't exploitive, so vegans are fine with it. (I've actually been asked this before, I guess I see where the confusion comes from, but it's rather funny to think of vegans being against breast feeding :D)

well of course that's technically true (how could a subset contain more elements than its parent set?), most of the vegetarians and vegans that I know (these are people who enjoy cooking) have diets containing far greater variety than most meat-eaters.

"what's for dinner tonight? beef or chicken? mcdonalds?"

It's kind of like people who really get into bikes -- they seek out new components, manufacturers, options... Find a Mallwart bike owner who knows what a moustache bar is.

People that have no concern at all for exploring food are as frustrating and confounding to me as anybody can be, even moreso than the overweight SUV drivers that seem to want to run me over everyday. I agree, vegans at least pay attention to what they eat and tend in my experience to seek out as much variety as they can, still the food choices they make are largely philosophical (and I suppose the rub is that this is a philosophy with which I do not agree) and the contention that it's for health is pretty tenuous, if you ask me. Food is too great for me to put any restrictions on myself. Being healthy is a question of moderation, not restriction as far as I'm concerned.

Slow food, good wine, good beer, biking, good books. In my perfect world these would be on everyones list of most important things if you ask me.

anytime there's a conversation about food I feel the need to mention that I ate raw horse meat. SO THERE!

i love how people who eat meat always contend that veganism is just a trend and people do it to be cool, and it will die out soon blah blah blah. you guys are idiots. it's also pretty pathetic that it took so long for someone to actually say something about the exploitation of animals. we aren't just talking about food here either. if you want to see real horror take a look at animal experimentation and the **** that cosmetic companies do to "test" their useless products.

i'm sure i will get attacked for this post though with all the meat eaters that get their feelings hurt.

my feelings don't get hurt - they get sated with delicious prime rib wrapped in bacon and ground beef sprinkles.

meat-heads are so predictable

do all the vegans on this thread use nylon toe straps and synthetic saddles?

uh oh - here it comes!
PETA in Doc Martens...

damn still cool........ ill check back tomarrow.

I didn't go Bowhunting for an elk this year. That's kinda vegan isn't it?

165 you are so punk!

I ate monkey once. It wasn't that great. The same person whose fed it to me also fed me bush-rat. Twas a great delicacy in his mind. Not in mine.

i've eaten guinea pig (called cuy in peru). where'd you have monkey?

it was kinda tasty, actually, but the small bones make it a bit of a pain to get through.

......if you want to see real horror take a look at animal experimentation and the **** that cosmetic companies do to "test" their useless products....

If that's your idea of "real horror" then you should get out more. For example to Sudan, or Liberia, or Somalia, or Iraq, and on and on and on. Nice for you that you are so healthy and wealthy that you can afford such dainty scruples. The choices are a bit more complicated for most people in this world.

I love animals.....they're delicious!

DW

i was wondering if you'd weigh in on this ;)
welcome to the developing flamewar! grab a drink, sit back, and enjoy the show (you're a scotch man, right?)

do all the vegans on this thread use nylon toe straps and synthetic saddles?

Clipless, but when I was using clips and straps they were nylon. Shoes are non-leather as well.

My fixie has an old leather Cinelli Saddle. I don't let it bother me as it came off my mother's bike after she replaced the saddle with something more comfortable for her. If I didn't use it, it'd be left unused.

My geared bike has a "Selle Italia Onda Sudy". It might have some leather in it, I'm not sure. :(

If I was buying a saddle, I'd go synthetic, or if for some reason I really wanted leather I'd go used.

If that's your idea of "real horror" then you should get out more. For example to Sudan, or Liberia, or Somalia, or Iraq, and on and on and on. Nice for you that you are so healthy and wealthy that you can afford such dainty scruples. The choices are a bit more complicated for most people in this world.

Disclaimer: I'm a vegan.

Yes, there are "real horrors" in Sudan, Liberia, Somalia, Iraq, etc, etc. However it is my opinion that these horrors are no better or worse than those committed against animals. The ONLY difference is that animal experimentation occurs outside of our species. Perhaps you think that is enough to make it less wrong (or a dainty scruple) but clearly there are those that don't.

There is also nothing that says that I can't be outraged at animal experimentation AND the human rights atrocities in the third world. Just because there are horrors in the world that you contend are "worse" than those against animals doesn't mean I should stop what I believe in.

Finally, to quote Minor Threat, "At least I'm ****ing trying, what the **** have you done?" Are you in Somalia feeding starving children right now? If you aren't, then who are you to judge?

P.S. - I'm not one to preach. I just really hate it when people talk about starving children as a defense against veganism, even when they are doing nothing to end world hunger.

P.P.S - Veganism is a more sustainable diet and could well end world hunger (although realistically, world hunger is caused by lack of distribution channels more than lack of production).

My friend, I'm neither for or against Veganism. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, and if they are held with sincerity and integrity then I certainly respect them. But I find it vexing that people call others "idiots" and "meatheads" and the like, simply because they don't share - or express - the same values. I find that its also usually true that people who are most interested in judging the actions of others have a high opinion of their own moral virtues - and that they are usually hipocrytes. "easy virtue". I'm all for people leading their lives according to whatever morality they sincerely embrace. Its the pushing of those standards on others that I find kind of ugly. Its the Mullah Omar, Usama Bin Laden type of thing, you know?

As for the rest of it, yes I see a difference between human suffering and animal suffering. I think that if you are ever exposed to that depth of human suffering you might see it the same way too.

And yes, I have been there.

Scotch, scotchy scotch scotch....i love scotch
Actually, I like beer ( even though it is an instrument of the Devil...) ;) but only stuff like SNPA and RH ESB, the more bitter, the better...
Actually, its time to hit the rack, I need to finish a frame and ship it off before noon tomorrow...just a hint, its got a couple lugs on it....

DW

lugs!? you? i hope that there will be pictures!

My friend, I'm neither for or against Veganism. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, and if they are held with sincerity and integrity then I certainly respect them. But I find it vexing that people call others "idiots" and "meatheads" and the like, simply because they don't share - or express - the same values. I find that its also usually true that people who are most interested in judging the actions of others have a high opinion of their own moral virtues - and that they are usually hipocrytes. "easy virtue". I'm all for people leading their lives according to whatever morality they sincerely embrace. Its the pushing of those standards on others that I find kind of ugly. Its the Mullah Omar, Usama Bin Laden type of thing, you know?

As for the rest of it, yes I see a difference between human suffering and animal suffering. I think that if you are ever exposed to that depth of human suffering you might see it the same way too.

And yes, I have been there.

Perfectly understandable. I just don't like it when people compare human and animal suffering in a way that makes veganism look "wrong."