So are you a rookie or still just a wannabe 'fireman'? Most experienced firefighters tend to know that sometimes it is better to just keep your trap shut and have folks think you a fool, rather than to open it and remove all doubt, as your post has.

I'm thinking he's just a frustrated rookie that's angry because they are still making him clean the head and do the dishes. My father-in-law being a 20 year pro, I've met a lot of firemen. None with this kind of attitude.

So are you a rookie or still just a wannabe 'fireman'? Most experienced firefighters tend to know that sometimes it is better to just keep your trap shut and have folks think you a fool, rather than to open it and remove all doubt, as your post has.

Just a few hours ago I was at a four way stop with a line of cars in every direction. To my right comes another cyclist passing everyone in line. Did he stop at the sign? No, he blew right through it in front of four other cars waiting their turn, not to mention all the cars he cut in front of to get to the sign. What makes him so special that he doesn't have to wait his turn? My personal favorite: when a cyclist passes everyone on the right to get to an intersection and then cuts left into the crosswalk. These are the things that really annoy me Chip.

I'm thinking he's just a frustrated rookie that's angry because they are still making him clean the head and do the dishes. My father-in-law being a 20 year pro, I've met a lot of firemen. None with this kind of attitude.

Stop, your making me feel guilty.

Just a few hours ago I was at a four way stop with a line of cars in every direction. To my right comes another cyclist passing everyone in line. Did he stop at the sign? No, he blew right through it in front of four other cars waiting their turn, not to mention all the cars he cut in front of to get to the sign. What makes him so special that he doesn't have to wait his turn? My personal favorite: when a cyclist passes everyone on the right to get to an intersection and then cuts left into the crosswalk. These are the things that really annoy me Chip.

So a minority of cyclists run stop signs same deal for cars. If i had a camera mounts and a good cam corder and some way to hide it i could show you 2 4 way stops a 2 way and multiple 1 ways. All of them have id say 50 to 60 cars go through with out even thinking about slowing down. Other than my 2 idiot brothers i dont think i can say ive seen a cyclist run a stop or break any trafic laws around me. Im sure it happens hell i know it does. If you put cams on every stop with in say 10 miles of a central point like say your firestation. Left it run for a week and did a count on cyclists both stopping and running and did the same for cars then broke it down in to a % im sure it would be very close to a tie maybe even a dead tie. Now im talking rolling stops and full stops not just full stops. You could add up rolling stops sepratly and add them in to get both figures.

I seriously dubt any one comes to a full stop at a 4 way or 2 way or 1 way stop sign with no trafic in sight. There realy is no point in doing so. Im not even sure the law requires a full stop in such instances. If it does its never enforced heh. I see cops doing it and drivers doing it right in front of cops.

Unless your doing a real study over at least a weeks period with video dont even bother trying to say i counted 20 cyclists and 1 car running a stop sign. Thats not a study thats you pulling stats out of your rear end to back up a factless argument.

I'm thinking he's just a frustrated rookie that's angry because they are still making him clean the head and do the dishes. My father-in-law being a 20 year pro, I've met a lot of firemen. None with this kind of attitude.

By the way, I've been doing this 10 years. You don't THINK you have met any firemen with my attitude. The simple fact is, when you peddle up to the station and hop off with your clicky shoes, we are required to smile and be nice. Rest assured we talk alot of S&*T about you and your clothes when you leave. Keep bringing your wives and girlfriends by too--we like the eye candy.

By the way, I've been doing this 10 years. You don't THINK you have met any firemen with my attitude. The simple fact is, when you peddle up to the station and hop off with your clicky shoes, we are required to smile and be nice. Rest assured we talk alot of S&*T about you and your clothes when you leave. Keep bringing your wives and girlfriends by too--we like the eye candy.

Lol ok im sure the firemen around here who are cyclists them selves just love to have people like you include them in your idoctic statements.

Just like any grouping of people there are total morons and jackasses amoung them.

I seriously dubt any one comes to a full stop at a 4 way or 2 way or 1 way stop sign with no trafic in sight. There realy is no point in doing so. Im not even sure the law requires a full stop in such instances.

"But officer ... I didn't SEE him ! "

No, you didn't STOP and LOOK.

Just because 'everybody does it', doesn't make it right or safe.

John Wilke
Milwaukee

By the way, I've been doing this 10 years. You don't THINK you have met any firemen with my attitude. The simple fact is, when you peddle up to the station and hop off with your clicky shoes, we are required to smile and be nice. Rest assured we talk alot of S&*T about you and your clothes when you leave. Keep bringing your wives and girlfriends by too--we like the eye candy.

You need to go outside your own home for eye candy?

You need to go outside your own home for eye candy?


No but it's always nice to see it at work too. And just to end on a positive note:

You can't make up for a small penis with a $4000 bike.


Later on.

Just a few hours ago I was at a four way stop with a line of cars in every direction. To my right comes another cyclist passing everyone in line. Did he stop at the sign? No, he blew right through it in front of four other cars waiting their turn, not to mention all the cars he cut in front of to get to the sign. What makes him so special that he doesn't have to wait his turn? My personal favorite: when a cyclist passes everyone on the right to get to an intersection and then cuts left into the crosswalk. These are the things that really annoy me Chip.

Dude, they annoy everybody. A moron is a moron, don't matter if he is driving a car or truck, riding a bicycle or a motorcycle, walking, jogging, you name it - people can suck. Coming into a cyclist's forum and *****ing about it is a good thing, IMHO way too many cyclists ride for the MORON brand and discussions about it might just light the bulb in the noggins of some of them, but you came off as wishing harm on them...and while some may deserve it, my momma always told me to be careful what I wish for... When you make statements like that, the discussion tends to revolve around reacting to the statement, and not the problem that brought about your words in the first place. I've learned that the hard way myself, big-mouth that I am. ;)

By the way, I've been doing this 10 years. You don't THINK you have met any firemen with my attitude. The simple fact is, when you peddle up to the station and hop off with your clicky shoes, we are required to smile and be nice. Rest assured we talk alot of S&*T about you and your clothes when you leave. Keep bringing your wives and girlfriends by too--we like the eye candy.

ROFL, and who do you think is doing your old lady when you are at work with the boys?
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I'm sure you are still counting on recieving top notch patient care on that bike path too!
FiremanTroll,

Not really.

A few years back, I spotted a man down on the bike path, 100 yards away and across the intersection red light that I was stopped at. While I was stuck at the red light, a women walked up to him, checked him and ran to a phone to call 911. The light turned green and as I crossed the intersection, I saw a police car coming down the cross street (not responding to the call), I flagged them down and directed them down the path to the man in distress.
The cops assumed he was drunk, even though it was clear the man was not breathing. At that point the ambulance was arriving. They were pretty slow in beginning CPR.


Second case,
When I was in High School, friends and I went snow sledding in the mountains on property that belonged to the City and County of Denver. A kid we did not know hit a bump and was knocked off his inner tube and came down on his chin. The “adults” around him just stood and stared. When I got to him, he had stopped breathing, was in shock and had a heart rate of about 160 bpm. I provided rescue breathing until he started breathing on his own. At the point the ambulance(non Denver ambulance) arrived down the hill. The EMTs refused to enter the Denver property, due to liability BS, and they refused to allow me to use their back board, neck brace or blankets. I had to use my coat to keep the kid warm. I had to get some other teenagers to loan their toboggan to move the kid off the hill. I had to use my hands rather than the proper neck brace which was in the ambulance (risking additional neck and head trauma) to move the kid to the ambulance.

So NO FiremanTroll, I am NOT counting on receiving top notch patient care on that bike path.

No but it's always nice to see it at work too. And just to end on a positive note:
You can't make up for a small penis with a $4000 bike.
With your head of hair, I can see why you would need the "eye candy" at work, clearly you do not have any at home!

Fannin County Fire Department, Georgia (706) 632-2011

What is it with "cyclists" and stop signs? I work in an extremely high traffic area for cyclists and I have only seen about 10% at best obey traffic laws (Stops signs, passing laws, and even speeding!). Bicyclists should police themselves since Law enforcement apparently won't do it. You (the lawbreaking element of cycling) drive me to the point of cheering when I get dispatched to a "cyclist down". Very frustrating. If you leave your sense of entitlement at home, I may do the same. See you on the pavement.

This goes both ways.

What is it with "drivers" and stop signs? I work in an extremely high traffic area for drivers and I have only seen about 10% at best obey traffic laws (Stops signs, passing laws, and even speeding!). Drivers should police themselves since Law enforcement apparently won't do it. You (the lawbreaking element of automobile traffic) drive me to the point of cheering when I get dispatched to a "automobile wreck". Very frustrating. If you leave your sense of entitlement at home, I may do the same. See you on the pavement.

How many car accidents do you get dispatched to? You have a much higher percentage chance of gettign in an accident in your car than on your bike. Face it, cyclists and drivers are basically the same people. People don't obey many laws. It's too inconvinient. How many drivers speed?????????? i'd say 95 percent. Sooooooooooooooo much more than cyclists.

Nice excuses.

Sounds like if your vehicle (bike) cannot safely obey the traffic laws such as "speed limits", without suffering some sort of mechanical failure, then your vehicle is not safe for the road. I will concede that bikes can stop faster than cars, but the mass issue is arguable. Vehicles with more mass simply have larger braking surfaces. This is not an excuse to disobey traffic laws. And, the 90% thing--yeah I'm right about that. We have a stop sign outside the window and I just counted nine out of ten cyclists not stopping.


SAMPLE SIZE OF TEN EQUALS TERRIBLE STATISTICAL CONCLUSION.

I flipped ten coins, nine were heads, A coin flip must be a 90/10 situation

Although I tend to think this thread was devised for trolling I though I'd add my thoughts.

As both a cyclist and a motorist I tend to think cyclists flaunt the law far more than motorists.
It's not unusual to see a cyclist running a light, mounting the pavement (sidewalk), passing on the inside or leaving the scene of an accident. Whilst motorists also break traffic laws they're less likely to knowing that they can be easily identified and reported.

Its obvious you dont know your cycling laws. In most states it is legal for bicycles to pass on the inside if it is safe to do so.

Leaving the scene of an accident? are you serious? How much damage can a bicycle inflict on a car?? barely any if at all. If there is damage, i dont think that cyclist will be riding or even walking away. If a car hit me, I'm not hurt, nothing is damaged, i'm not going to stay and chat with the jerk than ran into me. A nice finger flip and goodbye is it.

I figure at traffic stops it makes sense. On the other hand, the physics of bikes change that argument. I can track stand for 30 seconds at a light without advancing 3 feet and without dropping a foot to pavement. Does that mean i've not stopped? What's the law? Answer is it's not clear. Pedestrians are supposed to stop before crossing the street right? (Right???) If a ped dosn't stop walking and look both ways is it the same ticket as a car running a red light? What about a 6 year old on the sidewalk? What about me, trackstanding? What about me riding the sidestreets home tonight from the pub and running every stop sign on dark unlight roads? Or the guy passing me when i stop at every red light in town and another commuter keeps rolling? Or the car that "stops" and whose stop isn't any more stopped than my rolling right through...?

Somewhere ther is a line to be drawn. Pick exactly where. I bet there is a general consensus between 25 posts, and that's probably about where the tickets are drawn.

Just a few hours ago I was at a four way stop with a line of cars in every direction. To my right comes another cyclist passing everyone in line. Did he stop at the sign? No, he blew right through it in front of four other cars waiting their turn, not to mention all the cars he cut in front of to get to the sign. What makes him so special that he doesn't have to wait his turn? My personal favorite: when a cyclist passes everyone on the right to get to an intersection and then cuts left into the crosswalk. These are the things that really annoy me Chip.
One day while commuting home in the bike lane, stopped at a red light, I hear a loud engine right behind me that I recognize as a Harley. I turn to look, and sure enough there is a Harley riding in the bike lane. The guy in full club gear tells me “How about moving over so I can get by?” I told him “No, you have no business riding in the bike lane, it is illegal and dangerous.”

When the light turns green, he rides right on my ***** until there is a gap in the cars along side, at which time he guns it, passes as close to me as possible and then moves back into the bake lane to continue to pass the rest of rush hour traffic.

You ride a motorcycle, don’t you firemanrob? Therefore it is OK if I blame you for this riders illegal behavior and the stupid club outfit he had on, right?

Its obvious you dont know your cycling laws. In most states it is legal for bicycles to pass on the inside if it is safe to do so.

Leaving the scene of an accident? are you serious? How much damage can a bicycle inflict on a car?? barely any if at all. If there is damage, i dont think that cyclist will be riding or even walking away. If a car hit me, I'm not hurt, nothing is damaged, i'm not going to stay and chat with the jerk than ran into me. A nice finger flip and goodbye is it.
Its obvious you dont know your geography. If you notice my location is ENGLAND, that's a country not a state. You may be supprised but there's a world outside America.
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I witnessed a cyclist a few months ago smash a leadlamp on a farmers tractor. He was a bit shaken but got up and rode off. If that had been my SL it would have been a couple of grand worth of damage.
Odviously I'm not saying only cyclists leave the scene or breaks any laws but motorists run the risk of their number plate being taken and reported, so is less inclined to do so. Even if the registration isn't taken down most members of the public can identify different cars or types of car whilst a bicycle just looks like a bicycle to most people.

Just a few hours ago I was at a four way stop with a line of cars in every direction. To my right comes another cyclist passing everyone in line. Did he stop at the sign? No, he blew right through it in front of four other cars waiting their turn, not to mention all the cars he cut in front of to get to the sign. What makes him so special that he doesn't have to wait his turn? My personal favorite: when a cyclist passes everyone on the right to get to an intersection and then cuts left into the crosswalk. These are the things that really annoy me Chip.

I don't know the law in Ohio, but in Florida, under state law, a cyclist can ride in the roadway as a vehicle or take to the sidewalk as a pedestrian any time he desires. On sidewalks and crosswalks a cyclist is considered a pedestrian even if he's riding. Crossing in crosswalks is a legal maneuver. This is under state law, county and city ordinances can restrict cyclists from sidewalks and crosswalks. A handy way of getting from here to there in case of a traffic jam. Even though traffic jams are never a problem in my neck of the woods.

Passing on the right, however, isn't legal anywhere that I know of, nor is it a good idea.

"But officer ... I didn't SEE him ! "

No, you didn't STOP and LOOK.

Just because 'everybody does it', doesn't make it right or safe.

John Wilke
Milwaukee

Na im not talking all stop signs. But theres some here where you can see way down the road. Dont need to come to a full stop when you can see theres nothing on the roads for nearly a mile. Most people who say that never looked to begin with. Its obvious who they are if you see them do it. They will just barrel thrugh with out slowing in the least. I dont think ive ever not seen a car or lack of a car well before coming to the jhonson hametown intersection up here. Its just so obvious that i dont think you could miss them with out just simply not looking at all.

I dont take chances. If i see any car coming up the road i stop. I see any cars in drive ways that i cant see in to the car i stop. But when i can plainly see theres no cars any where ill slow to a crawl and come to a rolling stop do a check in each direction as i aproach then go ahead. If theres no cars i go ahead. Ive seen people come to stop sins and treat them like a speeding sign. They see the sign and floor it. I guess trying to beat other cars that might be coming up to the intersection.

Why are people feeding this troll?

Why are people feeding this troll?

To fatten him up for the slaughter?

Passing on the right, however, isn't legal anywhere that I know of, nor is it a good idea.
It is legal in Pennsylvania and I'm sure there are other US states where it is legal as well. It's not always a good idea, however if there is a long line of stopped cars and you can filter past them carefully you may be able to get a jump on a light and save yourself several minutes of waiting.

No but it's always nice to see it at work too. And just to end on a positive note:

You can't make up for a small penis with a $4000 bike.


Later on.

$100,000 fire engines won't work either.

Its obvious you dont know your geography. If you notice my location is ENGLAND, that's a country not a state. You may be supprised but there's a world outside America.
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Team Hammertime did not identify which country, divided into states, that he/she is from. There's a world outside the U.K., also.

It is legal in Pennsylvania and I'm sure there are other US states where it is legal as well. It's not always a good idea, however if there is a long line of stopped cars and you can filter past them carefully you may be able to get a jump on a light and save yourself several minutes of waiting.

Your lucky with some of the lights here to get through. Many wont change for a bike and the lights will often start yellow red cycle with in about 4 secounds of a car leaving the metal detector.

I forget the exact wording but here in ohio you can go on red if trafic is clear while on a bike if the stop light is malfunctioning and no cars are around to trigger the light.Jhonson road while nasty when cars are on the road can be totaly dead at other times. To wait on a car to trigger a light could mean waiting a solid 15 or 20 minutes. Im sure most other states are the same as ohio in that regard. Its the same way for cars to if the light doesnt change you can go on red when theres no trafic present. It can realy suck on a holiday when a light screws up for both cars and bikes.

I dont even want to think about what stop lights are like on bikes that are nearly all carbon right down to the cranks arms.....

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$100,000 fire engines won't work either.

Ironic since it comes with a big hose. :D

Its obvious you dont know your geography. If you notice my location is ENGLAND, that's a country not a state. You may be supprised but there's a world outside America.


Shh, GWB thinks England is one of our colonies (now wouldn't that be irony). I would let him think that too, or he might cook up a reason to invade! Kippers of Mass Digestion!

Like the rest of the country, whether gov't, private business or traffic laws . . . everybody cheats/lies/ignores laws and gets indignant when they get caught.
Hey, let's spread all this to the rest of the world!

Why are people feeding this troll?
Because while his attitude stinks, he is right that there are a lot of cyclist who flaunt the laws. Nova wrote that very few experienced cyclists do, which may be true, but the vast majority of cyclist where I live are not experienced. I see cyclists badly* breaking laws all the time. (*Badly means a blantent red light run, slipping thru traffic, or not even slowing for 4way stops when cars are present, riding wrong ways, etc.) It is a problem, not many forum members cause the problem, so they are quick to defend their own (less bad) law breaking where they do it with skill ;) Whether cycling or driving a car I encounter on every trip at least one cyclist breaking the law in such a way that it either put me in danger or disrupts the normal (legal) flow of traffic - its annoying. On those same trips I see cars breaking traffic laws, but these cases far less often are disruptive or require a change in my flow.

Al

If you were innocent in this attack then you have my sympathy.
If I were innocent? You're not only a fireman, you're also a judge and jury.

When you go to a fire, I hope you wouldn't say to a burn victim, "I sure hope this fire wasn't started by you leaving the gas stove on too long. My sympathy has run out for people like you."

Actually I find this very therapudic. Maybe we can all be friends after I get everything off my chest.
Go for it, thats what Internet is for. So that everyone can feel important for 5 seconds, no matter how crappy their real life is.