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eightdip
11-06-05, 10:51 AM
i bought a 30t sproket (macneil) for my bike and the freewheel is still the same as it was for my 39t sproket and i have to pedal really fast. Do i have to buy a smaller freewheel or what and if so, do i need a freewheel removal tool?
CMcMahon
11-06-05, 11:07 AM
Well, basically you're an idiot for buying a sprocket that is too small for any freewheel.
eightdip
11-06-05, 11:40 AM
its not too small for any freewheel, apparently a 11t freewheel will fit it
FuzzyRyder
11-06-05, 12:47 PM
11 t freewheels don't exsist. You need to buy a cassette hub and get an 11t driver for it.
eightdip
11-06-05, 01:10 PM
what is a driver?
Brian
11-06-05, 01:42 PM
what is a driver?

A fancy name for a cog.
CMcMahon
11-06-05, 01:49 PM
No, a driver is a single machined piece, whereas a cog is just a ring with teeth, and is locked into place with a lockring.
Brian
11-06-05, 01:54 PM
No, a driver is a single machined piece, whereas a cog is just a ring with teeth, and is locked into place with a lockring.

Functionally, what is the difference?
CMcMahon
11-06-05, 01:56 PM
The benefit of a driver is for freestyle riders: they require almost no maintenence; you put it on there, and you never have to tighten it or anything.

The benefit of having cogs is for racers, so that they can very quickly swap their gears; basically, it's the same idea as having a spider up front.
eightdip
11-06-05, 02:16 PM
that sounds good, how much?
CMcMahon
11-06-05, 02:18 PM
You'll need about $175 for a decent new back wheel, minimum. About $100 for just the hub, spokes, and driver if you know how to lace a wheel to you old rim, which I'm fairly certain that you're not capable of doing.
eightdip
11-06-05, 02:23 PM
ive seen a alex supra g rim with an eastern 11t casette driver and spokes for (im not sure about dollars, im from england) 70 pounds
eightdip
11-06-05, 02:24 PM
is that good?
CMcMahon
11-06-05, 02:27 PM
No, not really.

edit: Although, I'm sure that it'll be fine for the average nibbler.
eightdip
11-06-05, 02:29 PM
average nibbler.
whats that supposed to mean?
CMcMahon
11-06-05, 02:38 PM
Ask Jeeves.
eightdip
11-06-05, 02:39 PM
good one
bmichaelx
11-06-05, 03:32 PM
Ask Jeeves.

Hahaha, that's great.
racersk66
11-06-05, 03:47 PM
Ask Jeeves.

I saw a commercial about ol' jeeves today.
enormungus
11-06-05, 04:41 PM
he doesnt need an entirely new wheel. he can just switch out the hubs and keep the same rim.
CMcMahon
11-06-05, 05:23 PM
About $100 for just the hub, spokes, and driver if you know how to lace a wheel to you old rim.

Ahem.
hypersnazz
11-06-05, 07:25 PM
The benefit of a driver is for freestyle riders: they require almost no maintenence; you put it on there, and you never have to tighten it or anything.

The benefit of having cogs is for racers, so that they can very quickly swap their gears; basically, it's the same idea as having a spider up front.

Cassettes with separate cogs and lockrings still have drivers (just like freecoasters), that's the part that the cog slides onto. one-piece machined cog/drivers came into being because teeny tiny nibbler gears up front mean even teenier rear cogs and the drivers for existing cassettes wouldn't take 9t cogs...the driver is physically larger than the cog would have to be. One-piece units are a workaround so companies didn't have to invent a smaller driver standard or heaven forbid a new cassette. The other issue was durability...racers usually don't run compact sprockets, which means the cogs are larger, thicker and wear longer. The fewer teeth you got wrapped around a standard sized driver body, the thinner that cog gets and the more likely you are to wear it out or snap it.
Brian
11-06-05, 07:32 PM
Thanks Snazzy. That's why my cruiser came with 39/16. Saving weight would only result in compromised reliability. I broke a chain once already while racing. Don't need any more broken drivetrain components.
enormungus
11-06-05, 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by BeermanAbout $100 for just the hub, spokes, and driver if you know how to lace a wheel to you old rim.


Ahem.

sorry Beerman, i missed that.
hypersnazz
11-07-05, 12:43 PM
Thanks Snazzy. That's why my cruiser came with 39/16. Saving weight would only result in compromised reliability. I broke a chain once already while racing. Don't need any more broken drivetrain components.

And you're not saving *that much* weight with compact gearing...a handful of grams at best. Flatlanders were the first to demand tiny gears 'cause it kept their sh*t small and out of the way. Street and park riders jumped the bandwagon for that reason, and additionally because a smaller sprocket is harder to bend laterally when you smash it against concrete ledges or steel coping.
eightdip
11-07-05, 01:51 PM
thats excacly why i bought the macneil sprocket
hypersnazz
11-07-05, 02:46 PM
thats excacly why i bought the macneil sprocket

No, you bought it 'cause it's hip and trendy, and most of all 'cause it says 'MacNeil' on it. How many sprockets have you actually managed to wreck (on purpose, not from crashing or being a sketchball) and how many times have you actually caught your leg on it doing backpackers?
super_cooper
02-27-07, 11:05 AM
i have the same problem but i found a website that sells 10t,11t,12t,13t freewheels but they are expensive they are £27.99 if you want the website reply to me

from callum cooper

south wales
KinetikBiker
02-27-07, 11:20 AM
No, not really.

edit: Although, I'm sure that it'll be fine for the average nibbler.
Actually my buddy has one of the Eastern cassettes and it's still running smooth after almost a year. He's sketchy as hell too and does no bike maintenance.
eightdip
02-27-07, 12:57 PM
i have the same problem but i found a website that sells 10t,11t,12t,13t freewheels but they are expensive they are £27.99 if you want the website reply to me

from callum cooper

south wales

You are a super noob, sorry but you really don't bring up year old threads. Especially where i happen to be a noob in them myself
mude
02-27-07, 03:12 PM
Actually my buddy has one of the Eastern cassettes and it's still running smooth after almost a year. He's sketchy as hell too and does no bike maintenance.
way to realize this thread is almost 2 years old
FitRider 921
02-27-07, 03:54 PM
You are a super noob, sorry but you really don't bring up year old threads. Especially where i happen to be a noob in them myself
Yeah, funny stuff.
mude
02-27-07, 07:01 PM
personally i enjoy macneil products
FitRider 921
02-27-07, 07:45 PM
I enjoy food.
mude
02-27-07, 08:12 PM
word.
KinetikBiker
02-27-07, 08:13 PM
personally i enjoy macneil products
No, you just have a BiBi fetish. :D


And i totally didn't realize how old this thing was...ooops.
mude
02-27-07, 08:14 PM
bibi's the ****.
BMX1992
02-28-07, 09:58 AM
its not worth it because u have to get a new hub and a new system
eightdip
02-28-07, 11:03 AM
Oh for ****s sake, 2 YEARS OLD!!!
premiumbmx2005
02-28-07, 11:37 AM
hahaha, i had a blast reading this thread
mude
02-28-07, 02:13 PM
fitrider had a cast reading this thread


....2 years ago when it first was posted



hehehehehe
FitRider 921
02-28-07, 02:39 PM
haha. two years ago... I don't even remember what I was doing.
mude
02-28-07, 02:47 PM
smokin' drugs you was.
FitRider 921
02-28-07, 02:59 PM
was not...
sbcdestroy
03-02-07, 11:14 PM
And you're not saving *that much* weight with compact gearing...a handful of grams at best. Flatlanders were the first to demand tiny gears 'cause it kept their sh*t small and out of the way. Street and park riders jumped the bandwagon for that reason, and additionally because a smaller sprocket is harder to bend laterally when you smash it against concrete ledges or steel coping.


a few grams?

set 44t profile blackjack, fatclaw 16t freewheel, and a KMC 415Heavy chain

next to my:

RNC ti lite 25t, KMC 510hx, and 10t driver

much smaller, stronger sprocket
shorter slimmer chain
smaller, more reliable driver

a pound at LEAST...