nine
11-11-05, 04:36 PM
anyone using this shorter version of the chain? like it? hate it? is it light enough to stuff in your bag? i'm tired of my 8 pound belt. i know a lot has been said about locks, but i couldn't find much on this one here.
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - kryptonite noose
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orange
11-11-05, 04:55 PM
it kind of sucks, it's not long enough to lock either more parts of your bike or bigger poles, etc. than a standard u-lock. Yet it weighs much more.
alanbikehouston
11-13-05, 11:40 AM
The noose is made from links that are as close to "uncuttable" as any chain, of any weight, or any price. The padlock is the point of attack. Kryptonite uses a good padlock, but the Abus Granit is even better. A NY noose combined with an Abus Granit padlock would be as tough as any lock in the world.
To use the noose, just wrap it around the rear wheel, just behind the seat tube. Do NOT put the noose around any part of the frame. As long as the rear wheel is enclosed by the lock, stealing the frame is impossible. If you put a lock around the frame, a crook may damage the frame while attempting to break the lock.
Put the noose around both the rear wheel (just behind the seat tube) and a sturdy steel pole that is set in concrete. It won't fit around a telephone pole, but fitting it around the rear wheel and a pole the size of your wrist is not difficult.
I'm not a fan of chain locks, because of their weight and bulk. The Kryptonite NY 3000 U-lock offers high level security, and it is not difficult in my town to find poles that are a good fit for a medium width u-lock.
To use the noose, just wrap it around the rear wheel, just behind the seat tube. Do NOT put the noose around any part of the frame. As long as the rear wheel is enclosed by the lock, stealing the frame is impossible. If you put a lock around the frame, a crook may damage the frame while attempting to break the lock.
Put the noose around both the rear wheel (just behind the seat tube) and a sturdy steel pole that is set in concrete. It won't fit around a telephone pole, but fitting it around the rear wheel and a pole the size of your wrist is not difficult.
I'm not a fan of chain locks, because of their weight and bulk. The Kryptonite NY 3000 U-lock offers high level security, and it is not difficult in my town to find poles that are a good fit for a medium width u-lock.
fixedpip
11-13-05, 12:26 PM
I had a krypto New York Noose for a long time and really liked it (but I'm also cheap and so was it). I ended up buying a Fuggedaboutit during the whole krypto barrel key malarkey as I needed a lock I could trust.
Plus points:
lighter than a full chain but with the same amount of protection - although lock on fuggedaboutit is better so they say.
generally you can get one wheel and the frame which is the same as most full chains.
no wrapping required with skiny poles unlike a full chain.
Downside:
No easy way to carry it. I would wear it around my neck, but its a pain and definitely not safe if you crash. Its still pretty heavy
On fat street poles you often didn't have enough chain to be able to lock.
I think though now if you're going for a noose, you may also want to something like this, lighter, easier to deal with and pretty much the defacto lock for bike messengers here in London:
Abus Granit Steel-O-Flex
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?W=0&Manufacturer=&UberCatName=&Cat=cycle&CategoryName=Locks&ProdID=5220000043&UberCat=0
I'm sure you can get similar products in the states.
Plus points:
lighter than a full chain but with the same amount of protection - although lock on fuggedaboutit is better so they say.
generally you can get one wheel and the frame which is the same as most full chains.
no wrapping required with skiny poles unlike a full chain.
Downside:
No easy way to carry it. I would wear it around my neck, but its a pain and definitely not safe if you crash. Its still pretty heavy
On fat street poles you often didn't have enough chain to be able to lock.
I think though now if you're going for a noose, you may also want to something like this, lighter, easier to deal with and pretty much the defacto lock for bike messengers here in London:
Abus Granit Steel-O-Flex
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?W=0&Manufacturer=&UberCatName=&Cat=cycle&CategoryName=Locks&ProdID=5220000043&UberCat=0
I'm sure you can get similar products in the states.
bvancouv
11-13-05, 12:41 PM
" Do NOT put the noose around any part of the frame."
Why wouldn't you want to wrap the noose around the frame? You want your frame should be stolen or something? I always wrap my NY chain around the frame and the back wheel.
edit: is it because the NY chain is longer?
Why wouldn't you want to wrap the noose around the frame? You want your frame should be stolen or something? I always wrap my NY chain around the frame and the back wheel.
edit: is it because the NY chain is longer?
witz
11-13-05, 12:50 PM
" Do NOT put the noose around any part of the frame."
Why wouldn't you want to wrap the noose around the frame? You want your frame should be stolen or something? I always wrap my NY chain around the frame and the back wheel.
this explains your question (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)
Why wouldn't you want to wrap the noose around the frame? You want your frame should be stolen or something? I always wrap my NY chain around the frame and the back wheel.
this explains your question (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)
Yoshi
11-13-05, 08:28 PM
this explains your question (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)
That is a great strategy for a u-lock (one that I advocate and use) but for a chain lock there are none of the pros and all of the cons.
In short:
Chains aren't vulnerable to lever attacks. The rear wheel strategy is a defense against lever attacks. However (as long arguments over the subject on bf.net should prove) some thieves might think they can steal the bike by removing the rear wheel and end up mangling the wheel or denting the frame in the process. It's also probably far easier to cut through a rear wheel than a kryptonite chain.
That is a great strategy for a u-lock (one that I advocate and use) but for a chain lock there are none of the pros and all of the cons.
In short:
Chains aren't vulnerable to lever attacks. The rear wheel strategy is a defense against lever attacks. However (as long arguments over the subject on bf.net should prove) some thieves might think they can steal the bike by removing the rear wheel and end up mangling the wheel or denting the frame in the process. It's also probably far easier to cut through a rear wheel than a kryptonite chain.
sxe fbm rider
11-13-05, 09:32 PM
I dont know if it's the noose, but I have a kryptonite chain that's not as long as the usual ones.. That's a great idea on Sheldonn Brown's web-site about leaving your lock where you use it.. I just carry mine in my bag and it is pretty heavy but I dont usually notice it because I have a comfortable bag and I dont carry much to school.
b-ride
11-14-05, 01:09 AM
man, you just can't beat a krypto mini in my books. small enough to go in the back pocket, locks your back wheel and the seat tube of a bike with tight geo (like my gardin or zunow track frames) to a parking meter, one of the toughest locks going and not too heavy.