Foo - Underwear Nazi - Performancebike Refutes Your Claims

UNDERWEAR NAZI - PERFORMANCEBIKE.COM REFUTES YOUR CLAIMS!! :D

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I'm not an Underwear Nazi, but I play one on TV...and that's straight up sacrilege, yo!

DnvrFox, are you a glutton for punishment???

You've gotten served by UN how many times now??

You and like 3 other people wear skivvies under your lycra, the numbers speak for themselves.

DnvrFox, are you a glutton for punishment???

You've gotten served by UN how many times now??

You and like 3 other people wear skivvies under your lycra, the numbers speak for themselves.

You go around checking peoples underwear underneath their Lycra? :eek: :eek: :eek:

That must prove interesting!

I am a glutton for TRUTH!

I noticed that UN has refused to accept my challenge!

I can tell you, you wouldnt be wearing underwear riding in Texas. You would chafe raw after an hour long trip 3-5 days a week and probably easily get osme sort of bad ass infection.

Okay - Those With No Sense Of Humor Need To Stop Posting Immediately.

This Never Works Out Well Because Some Folks Just Can't Recognize A Joke When They See One.

This Has Been Going On For Years With Un And Dnvrfox.

Lighten Up!

Ah, DvlFox, my most worthy adversary.

Where would Holmes be without his Moriarity? Or, Superman without Lex Luthor? And before you try to lay claim to the side of right in these pairings, let me point out that Superman wears his underwear on the outside of his tights. Yes, that crusader for Truth, Justice and the American Way knows that underwear does not belong under cycling shorts.

You are right, of course, that Performance sells underwear. They, however, are not right to do so. They have gone to the darkside, I'm afraid. They apparently see a buck to be made in hawking unsafe products to a gullible public. This is nothing new. The tobacco industry has done it for years. Schoolyard drug pushers do it, too.

To give Performance some small credit, they nowhere recommend that their underwear be worn under cycling shorts. Perhaps the Underwear SS could apply the kind of pressure to Performance that MADD has put to the liquor industry for so many years. With a concerted letter-writing campaign, a little congressional lobbying and the threat of a boycott, we might be able to convince Performance to underwrite a "Use Underwear Responsibly (and never under bike shorts)" campaign.

Good soldiers, everywhere, send those letters and emails to performancebike.com.

Thanks, Dvl, for calling this to my attention.

Underwear Nazi
Just watch your ass, Dvl.

To give Performance some small credit, they nowhere recommend that their underwear be worn under cycling shorts. Perhaps the Underwear SS could apply the kind of pressure to Performance that MADD has put to the liquor industry for so many years. With a concerted letter-writing campaign, a little congressional lobbying and the threat of a boycott, we might be able to convince Performance to underwrite a "Use Underwear Responsibly (and never under bike shorts)" campaign.


Hmmm.... Something along the lines of "Under no circumstances do we recommend or endorse the practice of wearing underwear underneath your cycling shorts. But if you do choose such a dangerous practice, please do so whilst sporting our underwear."

Ah, DvlFox, my most worthy adversary.

Where would Holmes be without his Moriarity? Or, Superman without Lex Luthor? And before you try to lay claim to the side of right in these pairings, let me point out that Superman wears his underwear on the outside of his tights. Yes, that crusader for Truth, Justice and the American Way knows that underwear does not belong under cycling shorts.

You are right, of course, that Performance sells underwear. They, however, are not right to do so. They have gone to the darkside, I'm afraid. They apparently see a buck to be made in hawking unsafe products to a gullible public. This is nothing new. The tobacco industry has done it for years. Schoolyard drug pushers do it, too.

To give Performance some small credit, they nowhere recommend that their underwear be worn under cycling shorts. Perhaps the Underwear SS could apply the kind of pressure to Performance that MADD has put to the liquor industry for so many years. With a concerted letter-writing campaign, a little congressional lobbying and the threat of a boycott, we might be able to convince Performance to underwrite a "Use Underwear Responsibly (and never under bike shorts)" campaign.

Good soldiers, everywhere, send those letters and emails to performancebike.com.

Thanks, Dvl, for calling this to my attention.

Underwear Nazi
Just watch your ass, Dvl.

Yes, and from NASHBAR:

http://www.nashbar.com/nashbar_photos/small/NA-MCLB.gif

The enemy is gaining on you infidels FAST!

Somehow your deranged mind failed to note that the Performance Sections was entitled:

Men's Underwear

And that the skin-saving devices shown were also labeled "Underwear"

What do you suppose they meant by "UNDER?"

I once more await your poorly reasoned rationalizations.

let me point out that Superman wears his underwear on the outside of his tights. Yes, that crusader for Truth, Justice and the American Way knows that underwear does not belong under cycling shorts.

Might I point out that it is perhaps a leap of faith to assume this?

At no point have I ever seen Superman biking. Or wearing biking shorts for that matter. The fact that he wears underwear at all goes against your philosophy, but his sporting them as "over"wear seems to also go against standard practice in these matters. The only conclusion I can draw from this example is that, sadly, Superman is not a good supporting example for either UN or DnvrFox.

Perhaps the UN of BF fame could be persuaded in favor of undergarments were he able to exchange underwear for oil in a manner reminiscent of another UN. :) .

At no point have I ever seen Superman biking. Or wearing biking shorts for that matter. The fact that he wears underwear at all goes against your philosophy, but his sporting them as "over"wear seems to also go against standard practice in these matters. The only conclusion I can draw from this example is that, sadly, Superman is not a good supporting example for either UN or DnvrFox.

Nice attempt at logic, my aubergine friend, but you seem to have forgotten my philosophy:

No underwear under bike shorts for any reason ever. No excuses.


I am not opposed to all underwear, only underwear worn under bike shorts. Supe's donning Y-fronts over his tights clearly puts him in my camp. Likewise Batman and the Phantom. Spiderman shows no panty lines under his skin suit, so it is safe to say that he too is a member of the anti-panty army. In fact, every superhero I know of is clearly supportive of my cause.





Yes, and from NASHBAR:

http://www.nashbar.com/nashbar_photos/small/NA-MCLB.gif


Newsflash for Fox:

Nashbar and Performance are owned by the same holding company. You may think of them as a cartel. They are in the business of selling stuff in order to make money. They think they can make money selling underwear to the unsuspecting. That's all this is, Foxy, another sad example of corporate greed winning over business ethics.



Perhaps the UN of BF fame could be persuaded in favor of undergarments were he able to exchange underwear for oil in a manner reminiscent of another UN. :) .


Never, webist. That would sell out my principles.

UN
An Undies for Chamois Creme program has possibilities, though....

And now the epitome of conservative cycling, Colorado Cyclist, deserts your ship . . .

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Even the women.

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They say a picture is worth one THOUSAND words.

Looks like I am WAY ahead of you!

Newsflash for Fox:


Nashbar and Performance are owned by the same holding company. You may think of them as a cartel. They are in the business of selling stuff in order to make money. They think they can make money selling underwear to the unsuspecting. That's all this is, Foxy, another sad example of corporate greed winning over business ethics.

Your arguments grow shallower and shallower

Trying to blame the influx on the market of proper undies by citing corporate organization and business ethics is like trying to blame the baby boom on comfortable beds and moral degeneration!

And now the epitome of conservative cycling, Colorado Cyclist, deserts your ship . . .

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Even the women.

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What?!?

Is it possible?!?

Have I been outFoxed?!?

No, not at all.

Look closely, Foxyboy. Put on your trifocals if you need them. I know you 50+ types (or as the hip hop kids call them "FittyPlussers") have trouble with the old ocular orbs sometimes. Look at the crotch of those undies. I know, you feel like a pervert doing this. Just enjoy the feeling.

Now, do you see it? There's a *gasp* chamois in them thar panties!

Just as 50 + 50 = 100 (In hip hopese, fitty plus fitty equal a hunnert), we can easily see that these undergarments are made to be worn under regular shorts, not bike shorts.

In fact, no underwear are made to be worn under bike shorts.

UN
Give it up, Fox

Ah, DvlFox, my most worthy adversary.

. . . . And before you try to lay claim to the side of right in these pairings, let me point out that Superman wears his underwear on the outside of his tights. . . . .

This is genius.

This is genius.

Both sheer, and unadulterated. :D

Just as 50 + 50 = 100 (In hip hopese, fitty plus fitty equal a hunnert), we can easily see that these undergarments are made to be worn under regular shorts, not bike shorts.

Splitting hairs again, so to speak.

When will you finally admit the error of your ways?

Major companies are making major dollars BECAUSE people are buying their products.

Would General Mills make Cheerios if there was no one buying them?

Would airlines fly if there were no passengers?

Would Dell make computers if there were no purchasers?

Would Nashbar, Performance Bike, ColoradoCyclist and only the Lord knows how many other bicycle retailers make pretty undies if there were no purchasers?

The stampede is underway - the hurricane approaches - the earthquake is unstoppable - the hordes are beating down the doors of the retailers. I have heard that Nashbar, PerformanceBike and ColoradoCyclist have had to install extra phone lines, add extra computer staff, and supplement their shipping department to handle the veritable tidal wave (tsunami) of eager and up-to-date purchasers.

Get out of the 1950's and into the world of 2005. Undies are IN!

And, the highest compliment bicycling undies could ever have:

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Splitting hairs again, so to speak.

When will you finally admit the error of your ways?

Major companies are making major dollars BECAUSE people are buying their products.

Would General Mills make Cheerios if there was no one buying them?

Would airlines fly if there were no passengers?

Would Dell make computers if there were no purchasers?

Would Nashbar, Performance Bike, ColoradoCyclist and only the Lord knows how many other bicycle retailers make pretty undies if there were no purchasers?



Dear Mr. Fox:

I really should not bother replying to you, since my mommy told me years ago not to talk to crazy people, but I feel that you have a real problem. Not only are you out of touch with reality, but you seem to have a compulsion, even an addiiction, to underwear. I particularly worry that you are concerned about your undies being "pretty." Have you consulted a mental health professional lately? Really, I think that medication may be in order, and I don't just mean ointment for your infected saddle sores.




The stampede is underway - the hurricane approaches - the earthquake is unstoppable - the hordes are beating down the doors of the retailers. I have heard that Nashbar, PerformanceBike and ColoradoCyclist have had to install extra phone lines, add extra computer staff, and supplement their shipping department to handle the veritable tidal wave (tsunami) of eager and up-to-date purchasers.



I don't believe that there are statistics to bear out your assertions, but, if there were, then your analogies to natural disasters ("hurricane", "earthquake" and "tidal wave") and unreasoning mob action ("stampede" and "hordes...beating down doors") would be most apt.

And believe me, your foxiness, that if there were such a groundswell of people wearing undies under their bike shorts, I would stand boldly opposed to them all, armed with the certain knowledge that I am in the right. Under no circumstances should underwear ever be worn under cycling shorts. It is unsightly, unsanitary and dangerous to do so.




Get out of the 1950's and into the world of 2005. Undies are IN!


Yes, DvlBoy, undies are in. They are in your asscrack sawing back and forth as you pedal causing irritation and chafing.




And, the highest compliment bicycling undies could ever have:

http://www.cku.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.detail/categoryID/88716cec-4829-4732-9498-5d5b6d2e0ffb/productID/0bd64e6e-cbda-4f4b-a366-71040380b7ee/

I know that nothing will ever come between you and your "pretty" Calvin Klein panties, but you must know that simply calling underwear "bicycle shorts" does not make them suitable for use on your bicycle. If that were the case, then you could play solitaire on your handlebars while riding with a deck of Bicycle brand playing cards.

UN
Get a grip, Foxy.

Ha! This is like an OCP-thread, only it's funny. :eek:

No Underwear Under Cycling Shorts For You!!!

Failure to recognize the evidence does not make the case untrue!

Enough of this - as I successfully complete 25,000 miles of bicycling, completely in my undies (under my bibs), with NEVER a saddle sore, never using any kind of animal balm or other esoteric substance, and always cycling in complete comfort. :D :D :D :D

Can all of you bag balmers say the same?

U.U.U.

(UNDERWEAR USERS UNITED!)

Dear Mr. Fox:

If that were the case, then you could play solitaire on your handlebars while riding with a deck of Bicycle brand playing cards.

UN
Get a grip, Foxy.

When playing cards while riding I find it helpful to leave the bookstand on the handlebars when removing the bike from the trainer to ride. It gives you more room for play and helps shield the cards from the wind. :)

Oh, additionally, there are times I will wear underwear while playing cards, not while riding though.

Failure to recognize the evidence does not make the case untrue!

Enough of this - as I successfully complete 25,000 miles of bicycling, completely in my undies (under my bibs), with NEVER a saddle sore, never using any kind of animal balm or other esoteric substance, and always cycling in complete comfort. :D :D :D :D

Can all of you bag balmers say the same?

U.U.U.

(UNDERWEAR USERS UNITED!)
Lucky you. I noticed that after switching from MTB to roadie that I sweated alot more in cycling shorts in 100+ degree texas weather. Within the first 500 miles I got drenched in a Texas downpour. I had been getting rashes badly before but that was the last straw. I joined Hitler's army after that and haven't looked back.

Failure to recognize the evidence does not make the case untrue!

Enough of this - as I successfully complete 25,000 miles of bicycling, completely in my undies (under my bibs), with NEVER a saddle sore, never using any kind of animal balm or other esoteric substance, and always cycling in complete comfort. :D :D :D :D

Can all of you bag balmers say the same?

U.U.U.

(UNDERWEAR USERS UNITED!)

Frankly, DvlFox, I don't think you'd recognize a saddle sore if it bit you in the...

Uhmmm....

Wait...

Never mind.

Let's just say that you are one of those rare hard-assed individuals who can get away with the dangerous practice of putting panties in your bike shorts. This doesn't mean that you, or anyone else, should do so. Some people smoke for 50 years without getting lung cancer. This doesn't make it safe.

UN
....ass. There I said it.

I believe that there are two distinct species of cyclists. The delicate (which would seem to include DnvrFox), and the robust (U.N. et al). Kind of like Felix and Oscar in "The Odd Couple" (sorry if that's before your time U.N.). Now I don't go around asking everyone I ride with whether they wear underwear beneath their kit, but I have the distinct impression that the delicate species of cyclist is far rarer than the robust species. The speculation from earlier in the thread that there are three remaining members of the species, would seem quite plausible to me.

Rather than admonish DnvrFox, I'd prefer to treat him? much as one should treat an endangered species. I'll butt out and observe - as there is a good deal of entertainment value inherent in observing him in his native habitat.

I believe that there are two distinct species of cyclists. The delicate (which would seem to include DnvrFox), and the robust (U.N. et al).

DELICATE, DELICATE, DELICATE, SHMELICATE!,

Someone who can ride 25,000 miles with never a pimpleor a rash!!! That is delicate?

Better get your dictionary out, fellow/gal??

You need a good course in vocabulary!

DnvrFox
(Who through 66 years of life has NON-DELICATELY been a forest-fire fighter and lookout, taught in the worst schools to the roughest kids, commanded an Air Force Squadron, hiked the high mountains and skied the steep slopes, survived a serious heart condition and returned to the previous level, started bicycling at age 58yo and has since then rode the Ride the Rockies TWICE - ALL WEARING UNDERWEAR) Delicate?

Get thee back to school.

But why would anyone WANT to wear underwear under bike shorts/bibs? It would be just one more piece of laundry to do. I don't get it.

Steve
-call me lazy if you will, but I would rather ride than do laundry

I joined Hitler's army after that and haven't looked back.

Howdy, Tex:

I just want to point out that I am not a real Nazi and have never been affiliated in any way, shape or form with Adolph Hitler.*




Rather than admonish DnvrFox, I'd prefer to treat him? much as one should treat an endangered species. I'll butt out and observe - as there is a good deal of entertainment value inherent in observing him in his native habitat.

Zorro:

"Butt out!" :roflmao: Good one!




DELICATE, DELICATE, DELICATE, SHMELICATE!,


Really, FoxMan, there are meds that can help your condition.



But why would anyone WANT to wear underwear under bike shorts/bibs? It would be just one more piece of laundry to do. I don't get it.

Steve
-call me lazy if you will, but I would rather ride than do laundry


Good soldier. Lazy, but good.

UN
*My lawyers make me say this stuff

At no point have I ever seen Superman biking.

1. he's so fast, you wouldn't see him.
2. man, how awesome would it be to have Superman pull for you?
3. what kind of unobtainum would his drivetrain have to be made out of to survive?
4. would Supes be a spinner or a masher?

Major companies are making major dollars BECAUSE people are buying their products.

Major companies make major money on products that are bad for people because people are stupid in a major way.

...Delicate?...

Perhaps you're right. I suppose fastidious might be more accurate.

Note 1: While Z makes a habit of using underwear for 100% of other occasions, athletic activities such as running an cycling call for special attire. Wearing underwear while cycling (in cycling shorts) would be like wearing underwear for swimming.

Note 2: Z takes umbrage at slurs directed to his etymological abilities.

Note 3: As a former Naval Officer, Z congratulates you on your service, and on your life achievements - just happens to disagree with you on the underwear fixation.

1. he's so fast, you wouldn't see him.
2. man, how awesome would it be to have Superman pull for you?
3. what kind of unobtainum would his drivetrain have to be made out of to survive?
4. would Supes be a spinner or a masher?


You missed this:

5. Everyone would accuse him of doping. ;)

As usual, the thread has gone beyond the joke and fun stage, and folks are actually starting to take it seriously, if you can believe that!

Fini

As usual, the thread has gone beyond the joke and fun stage, and folks are actually starting to take it seriously, if you can believe that!

Fini


Moi? I may be the least serious guy on the boards. :D Shoulda used more smilies. :(

But why would anyone WANT to wear underwear under bike shorts/bibs? It would be just one more piece of laundry to do. I don't get it.

Steve
-call me lazy if you will, but I would rather ride than do laundry

Maybe I'm just unusual in some manner... but I am having a hard time finding it comfortable to wear biking tights without some underwear to "keep things organized."

Mr. Willie and the boys just seem to wander into uncomfortable positions while walking and/or riding.

I'm going to try another size of tights (bought 'em yesterday) to see if that fixes the problem... We'll see.

At no point have I ever seen Superman biking.

Here ya go...

Maybe I'm just unusual in some manner... but I am having a hard time finding it comfortable to wear biking tights without some underwear to "keep things organized."

Mr. Willie and the boys just seem to wander into uncomfortable positions while walking and/or riding.

I'm going to try another size of tights (bought 'em yesterday) to see if that fixes the problem... We'll see.
Willie and da boys shouldn't be going anywhere if you have properly sized tights.

Wearing underwear (especially boxers) underneath cycling shorts will only really come into play if you do 50-100 miles a day 3-6 days a week, sweat alot, or get caught in downpours for extended periods of time.

What do you mean by "will only really come into play"? I.E. you SHOULDN'T do it if you to 100 miles a day 6 days a week in a downpour? or you SHOULD?

I don't wear boxers. Never really saw the point... tighties keep willie and the boys in their place, boxers don't. So what exactly are the boxers for? I try to avoid skid marks anyway.

What do you mean by "will only really come into play"? I.E. you SHOULDN'T do it if you to 100 miles a day 6 days a week in a downpour? or you SHOULD?

I don't wear boxers. Never really saw the point... tighties keep willie and the boys in their place, boxers don't. So what exactly are the boxers for? I try to avoid skid marks anyway.
come into play as in it will become a noticeable factor - whether one chooses to act upon it or not is not necessarily required or dictated.

I was the same way however the Navy changed that for me. The boxers are for floating. More air is captured and thus you are more buoyant.

I just came up with an idea, underwear tear-offs! It's like the clear sheets of plastic you put over your motorcycle helmets that you can tear-off when it gets dirty from picking up oil and grit when drafting off the guys in front. You usually go through 2-5 of them in a race depending upo how clean the track is and the other guys' bikes.

So... we can have biking-shorts with multiple layers of narrow strips of thong-like underwear. Then on the ride when you're not feeling quite so "fresh", you rise up off the seat a little, reach back, and tear off the top layer of underwear to reveal a nice, clean fresh layer...

I just came up with an idea, underwear tear-offs! It's like the clear sheets of plastic you put over your motorcycle helmets that you can tear-off when it gets dirty from picking up oil and grit when drafting off the guys in front. You usually go through 2-5 of them in a race depending upo how clean the track is and the other guys' bikes.

So... we can have biking-shorts with multiple layers of narrow strips of thong-like underwear. Then on the ride when you're not feeling quite so "fresh", you rise up off the seat a little, reach back, and tear off the top layer of underwear to reveal a nice, clean fresh layer...
and if there were no more and you tore one - well we'd have another Janet jackson except this one would be worse :roflmao:

BTW - the boxers comment reminds of the soccer club rivalry back home. Saratoga and Los Gatos are always at odds, each one thinking they are snootier and more pretentious than the other. It was always so funny to go watch the soccer games when they have a match. Being the "proper gentlemen" that they are, they wear boxers. Funny thing is that their boxers are LONGER than the team-issue soccer shorts... So here's a bunch of kids running around on a field with BOXERS sticking out of their shorts! HAHhahahhahAHh.... So we settled the Saratoga vs LosGatos debate by counting how many on each team has boxers sticking out and the one with more showing gets the stuck-up prize! :)

BTW - the boxers comment reminds of the soccer club rivalry back home. Saratoga and Los Gatos are always at odds, each one thinking they are snootier and more pretentious than the other. It was always so funny to go watch the soccer games when they have a match. Being the "proper gentlemen" that they are, they wear boxers. Funny thing is that their boxers are LONGER than the team-issue soccer shorts... So here's a bunch of kids running around on a field with BOXERS sticking out of their shorts! HAHhahahhahAHh.... So we settled the Saratoga vs LosGatos debate by counting how many on each team has boxers sticking out and the one with more showing gets the stuck-up prize! :)

You've got to be kidding. :eek: I've played soccer for many years. I can't imagine boxers entering the equation.

As for your underwear idea - I'll await your reports following prototype testing. :p

Wearing underwear (especially boxers) underneath cycling shorts will only really come into play if you do 50-100 miles a day 3-6 days a week, sweat alot, or get caught in downpours for extended periods of time.

With all due respect, Tex, (which is to say, with no respect whatever) you are wrong. You are dead wrong. You are completley and horribly wrong. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. You are hideously, transparently, utterly, monstrously wrong. You are the wrongest of the wrong. You are even wronger than that.

You claim that anyone should be able to ride less than 50 or 100 miles, three to six days per week wearing underwear under their bike shorts and not get saddles sores, provided they don't get caught in rain showers or sweat inordinately. That's wrong.

You see, each of us has a different tolerance for underwear under their shorts. Some people may have the tolerance you state. Some people, like DvlFox, can wear big old granny panties all of the time and never get a saddle sore, but they are freaks of nature. Some people can't ride around the block without getting a saddle sore.

It's like taking poison. You can drink a little arsenic without ill effect but a little more will kill you. The safest course of action, then, is to drink no arsenic at all. You might be able to ride a little distance in whitey tighties and not get a saddle sore, but why risk it?

This is why I always say:

No underwear under bike shorts for any reason ever. No excuses.

Got it? Good.

UN
Tex, you are so wrong!

... No underwear under bike shorts for any reason ever. No excuses. ...


Not even if Bill Gates gave you half of his money for doing it? :o

Here ya go...

man, Supes and Batman are jerks.

Not even if Bill Gates gave you half of his money for doing it? :o

Z:

Not even if he gave me all of his money...

UN
...and offered to be my girlfriend.

UN: Your persuasive arguments are failing to hold up in real life...

I wore size "L" tights today. Yesterday it was size "M". I tried "XL" which were way too big.

They just don't keep the boys in place while walking around. And I'm not talking about running marathons, I'm talking about walking from my office to my bike. So I wind up having to "adjust" myself in public a few times. On the bike is mostly ok but every once in a while (particularly if I'm standing up on the pedals then sitting back down) the tights fail to remain comfortable.

BTW did anyone else realize that UN's sig says "Never wear underwear" in latin?