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TuckertonRR
11-14-05, 06:54 AM
last week, my father cut out an op-ed in the wall st journal entitled "the war against the car" by Stephen Moore (11/11/05) If anyone can find it out there (I'm not an online subscriber) and post it, great. ....

It is a rehash of the basic cager attitudes "you NEED a car, bicycles are for children, how could Katrina people get out of NO without cars, and how horrible and un-american car-free people are etc etc" ...

Think it's a good thing, we must be enough of a force out there to elicit this response.....I'm car-lite at the moment, plan to be car-free in a few years.....

Here it is:

Supply Side
The War Against the Car
November 11, 2005; Page A10
Stephen Moore

A few years ago, I made a presentation to my second-grader's
social studies class, asking the kids what was the worst invention
in history. I was shocked when a number of them answered "the car."
When I asked why, they replied that cars destroy the
environment. Distressed by the Green indoctrination already visited
upon seven-year-olds, I was at least reassured in knowing that
once these youngsters got their drivers' licenses, their attitudes
would change.

It's one thing for second-graders to hold such childish notions,
but quite another for presumably educated adults to argue
that automobiles are economically and environmentally
unsustainable "axles of evil." But with higher gas prices, as
well as Malthusian-sounding warnings about catastrophic global
warming and the planet running out of oil, the tirade has taken
on a new plausibility. Maybe Al Gore had it right all along when
he warned that the car and the combustible engine are "a mortal
threat . . . more deadly than any military enemy."
* * *

Welcome to the modern-day Luddite movement, which once raged
against the machine, but now targets the automobile. Just last
month, environmentalists organized a "world car-free day,"
celebrated in more than 40 cities in the U.S. and Europe. In
the left's vision of utopia, cars have been banished -- replaced
by bicycles and mass transit systems. There is no smog or
road congestion. And America has been liberated from those
sociopathic, gas-guzzling, greenhouse-gas-emitting SUVs and
Hummers that Jesus would never drive.

It all sounds idyllic, but in real life this fairy tale has a
tragic ending. As Fred Smith, president of the Competitive
Enterprise Institute, reminds us, if the "no car garage" had been
a reality in New Orleans in August, we wouldn't have
suffered 1,000 Katrina fatalities, but 10,000 or more. The
automobile, especially those dreaded all-terrain four-wheel
drive SUVs (ideal for driving through floodwaters) saved more
lives during the Katrina disaster than all the combined relief
efforts of FEMA, local police and fire squads, churches, the
Salvation Army and the Red Cross. If every poor family had had a
car and not a transit token, few would have had to be warehoused
in the hellhole of the Superdome.

This month we paid honor to the heroism of Rosa Parks for
fighting racism through the bus boycott in Montgomery. What
helped sustain that historic freedom cause was that hundreds
of blacks owned cars and trucks that they used to carpool
others around the city.

A strong argument could be made that the automobile is one of
the two most liberating inventions of the past century, ranking
only behind the microchip. The car allowed even the common
working man total freedom of mobility -- the means to go
anywhere, anytime, for any reason. In many ways, the automobile
is the most egalitarian invention in history, dramatically
bridging the quality-of-life gap between rich and poor. The
car stands for individualism; mass transit for collectivism.
Philosopher Waldemar Hanasz, who grew up in communist Poland,
noted in his 1999 essay "Engines of Liberty" that Soviet leaders
in the 1940s showed the movie "The Grapes of Wrath" all over
the country as propaganda against the evils of U.S. capitalism
and the oppression of farmers. The scheme backfired because "far
from being appalled, the Soviet viewers were envious; in America,
it seemed, even the poorest had cars and trucks."

It's not hard to imagine life in America without cars. If you travel
to any Third World Country today, cars are scarce and the city
streets are crammed with hundreds of thousands of bicycles, buses
and scooters -- and peasant workers all sharing the aspiration
of someday owning a car. But in America and other developed
nations, the environmental elitists are intent on flipping
economic development on its head: Progress is being measured by
how many cars can be traded in for mass transit systems and bikes,
not vice versa. The recently passed highway bill establishes
a first-ever office of bicycle advocacy inside the
Transportation Department. The bicycle enthusiasts seem to
believe that no one ever has far to go, that it never rains,
that families don't have three or more kids to transport, and
that mom never needs to bring home three bags of groceries.

Similarly, there is now a nearly maniacal obsession among policy
makers and the Greens to conserve energy rather than to produce it.
Even many of the oil companies are running ad campaigns on the
virtues of using less energy (do the shareholders know about
this?) -- which would be like McDonald's advising Americans to
eat fewer hamburgers because a cow is a terrible thing to
lose. A perverse logic has taken hold among the intelligentsia
that progress can be measured by how much of the earth's fuels
we save, when in fact the history of human economic advancement,
dating back to the invention of the wheel, has been defined by
our ability to substitute technology and energy use for the
planet's one truly finite resource: human energy.

It is because we have continually found inventive ways to harness
the planet's energy sources at ever-declining costs -- through
such sinister inventions as the car -- that the average American
today produces what 200 men could before the industrial
revolution began. Studies confirm that the more, not less,
energy a nation uses and the more, not fewer, cars that it has,
the more productive the workers, the richer the society, and
the healthier the citizens as measured by life expectancy. When
Albania abolished cars, it quickly became one of the very
poorest nations in Europe.

The simplistic notion taught to our second-graders, that the car
is an environmental doomsday machine, reveals an ignorance of
history. When Henry Ford first started rolling his Black Model
Ts off the assembly line at the start of the 20th century, the
auto was hailed as one of the greatest environmental inventions
of all time. That's because the horse, which it replaced,
was a prodigious polluter, dropping 40 pounds of waste a day.
Imagine what a city like St. Louis smelled like on a steamy
summer afternoon when the streets were congested with horses
and piled with manure.

The good news is that environmental groups and politicians aren't
likely to break Americans from their love affair with cars --
big, convenient, safe cars -- no matter how guilty they try to
make us feel for driving them. Instead they are using more subtle
forms of coercion. The left is now pining for a $1-a-gallon gas
tax to make driving unaffordable. Washington has also wasted
over $60 billion of federal gas tax money on mass transit
systems, yet fewer Americans ride them now than before the
deluge of subsidies began. When the voters in car-crazed
Los Angeles opted to fund an ill-fated subway system, most
drivers who voted "yes" said they did so because they hoped
it would compel other people off the crowded highways.

To be sure, if the entire membership of the Sierra Club and
Greenpeace surrendered their cars, the world and the highways
might very well be a better place. But for the rest of us the
car is indispensable -- it is our exoskeleton. There's a
perfectly good reason that the roads are crammed with tens of
millions of cars and that Americans drive eight billion miles
a year while spurning buses, trains, bicycles and subways.
Americans are rugged individualists who don't want to cram
aboard buses and subways. We want more open roads and highways,
and we want energy policies that will make gas cheaper, not
more expensive. We want to travel down the road from serfdom
and the car is what will take us there.

Mr. Moore is a member of The Wall Street Journal's editorial
board.

KrisPistofferson
11-14-05, 07:11 AM
Good lord, what a tool. I love how he throws Rosa Parks in there, too.

same time
11-14-05, 08:08 AM
Pretty formulaic opinion writing, there. Take a small minority (car-free folks) and make them out to be the new mainstream leaders of political and social thought. "Maniacally obsessed" leaders, at that. Convince the majority that they are a minority, and make them feel threatened.

I love how driving a car makes you a rugged individualist, but riding a bike would be mindlessly following the masses. This guy has watched too many car commercials.

lala
11-14-05, 08:42 AM
How annoying...of the school: if you state it is true. Sooooo ridiculous.
If I can cool down, I'll be sending a response to him and the Wall Street Journal.

chipcom
11-14-05, 10:20 AM
Is this guy a freakin moron? No, just another of the same bunch who brought us the Iraq war. Nuff said.

TuckertonRR
11-14-05, 10:25 AM
My overall impression is that this is pretty much the same tripe GM et cetera has been feeding us for the past 80 plus years....note the phrases "open roads" "crammed buses and subways" etc.... sure, all the "poor" people in NYC *should* own cars, uh huh, and where would they go? hang them in the air? and if all the poor people in N.O. had cars, they would all *still* be stuck on highways trying to get out of the city...

I didn't know we have a new "bicycle Co-ordinator" per the new SAFTEA legislation....Good for us!

I just like the fact that we have enough clout (and it's not just us, on here) to get a response from these fools....

Dahon.Steve
11-14-05, 11:26 AM
Good lord, what a tool. I love how he throws Rosa Parks in there, too.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Rosa Parks ever owned a car! She was car free her whole life!

Dahon.Steve
11-14-05, 11:39 AM
It's not hard to imagine life in America without cars. If you travel
to any Third World Country today, cars are scarce and the city
streets are crammed with hundreds of thousands of bicycles, buses
and scooters -- and peasant workers all sharing the aspiration
of someday owning a car. But in America and other developed
nations, the environmental elitists are intent on flipping
economic development on its head: Progress is being measured by
how many cars can be traded in for mass transit systems and bikes,
not vice versa.
.

Cars are not scarce in third world countries and you see them all over in poor nations like Brazil, Mexico South Africa, China etc. Traffic jams and polution is killing these third world nations if we are headed in the same direction. I guess the author never visited any third world country and is simply talking out of his hat!

Progress in the future will be determine by how many cars we can get rid of because we know where all this is going and it's a dead end.

Dahon.Steve
11-14-05, 11:43 AM
Americans are rugged individualists who don't want to cram
aboard buses and subways. We want more open roads and highways,
and we want energy policies that will make gas cheaper, not
more expensive. We want to travel down the road from serfdom
and the car is what will take us there.


I guess he never visited cities like Boston, Chicago or New York where transportation rules.

He can have all the open roads but he eventually has to go to work in the morning and that means driving into the city. I'll have a relaxing ride by train and he'll have a stressful ride by car. I guess if I had to drive into New York City every day, I'd have to be quite rugged and stupid!

linux_author
11-14-05, 11:48 AM
- if you live in Wisconsin, i believe that the combined Federal and state tax is almost (if not more than) US$1 per gallon...

- i don't mind gas being taxed more... i worry about what will happen with the tax dollars...

SpokesInMyPoop
11-14-05, 12:13 PM
what a crock... and what a kook. Let's forget how many people die operating cars (drunk driving, excessive speed, etc.), and endorse the car lifestyle!

Yes, I think he's seen too many car commercials too. :rolleyes:

Roody
11-14-05, 03:10 PM
Like if Mrs. Parks owned a car she wouldn't have been on that damn bus and we never would have heard of her.

Sorry, I don't have ime to read this moronic trash. I mean the WSJ, not just this article!

peterm5365
11-14-05, 03:18 PM
I'm pretty sure those people dies because the City relied on people having their own transportation and did not provide a method for those without personal transportation. Basically, it says that it was their fault for being poor and not wasting what available income they did have on a car.

Check out the site of the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Their positions are ridiculous in the extreme. Using them as corroborative evidence loses whatever credibility this guy thinks he has. These people should be ingnored.

knobbymojo
11-14-05, 05:15 PM
Wow, I guess that means I should go out and buy another car or two to help with progress :rolleyes:

freediver
11-14-05, 05:33 PM
Wow, I guess that means I should go out and buy another car or two to help with progress :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Jon

BeTheChange
11-14-05, 06:00 PM
I'm just shocked anyone has noticed us (us being car-lite/car-free people). I don't know of anyone I've ever talked to who wasn't a cyclist themselves who had even heard of car-free. But what does make me feel good is when I talk to all the other senior biology majors about it they kinda get an "ah ha". I think when they realize how expensive med school/vet school/grad school (masters) they realize it's a good idea. Hopefully this guy is on to something about being freaked out about the car-free people. Maybe we are part of the start of something big.

randya
11-14-05, 06:05 PM
The personal motor vehicle is soooo 20th century!

pedex
11-14-05, 06:08 PM
Took me 17 years, 23 cars/trucks, and 1.1 million miles of driving to finally figure out its a dead end road with no future. I wish I had 10% of that money back I wasted driving, I could probably take 5 years off from work.

kevink159
11-14-05, 06:19 PM
A perverse logic has taken hold among the intelligentsia
that progress can be measured by how much of the earth's fuels
we save, when in fact the history of human economic advancement,
dating back to the invention of the wheel, has been defined by
our ability to substitute technology and energy use for the
planet's one truly finite resource: human energy.



I think I understand now, after reading the article a few times. It must all be satire, as there could not possibly be anyone dumb enough to believe the above quote.

Marge
11-14-05, 06:29 PM
what an idjit. If he really was a student of history he'd have realized that the
BICYCLE revolution lead to smooth paved roads (or more acurately paths). He'd also realize that the automakers conspired with the gov't in the 50's to create the freakin' sidewalk less suburbs, where one must DRIVE their precious auto to the nearest
grocer and other activities of daily living.

chipcom
11-14-05, 07:06 PM
I think I understand now, after reading the article a few times. It must all be satire, as there could not possibly be anyone dumb enough to believe the above quote.

You mean like dumb enough to empty the stores of duct tape and plastic, dumb enough to believe that mushroom clouds and drones spreading WMD were going to devastate our entire country, dumb enough to buy 'we never imagined a plane could be used as a weapon', or dumb enough to buy 'I didn't inhale' or 'I did not have sex with that woman'? I believe a quote by PT Barnum is appropo.
;)

Redrom
11-14-05, 08:11 PM
Interesting how the biggest advances in technology lead directly to advances in the obesity rates...

The car, the TV, the microchip, the ice cream maker...

Az B
11-14-05, 08:39 PM
Notice how he equates bicycle with third world countries and poverty?

Anyone ever been to Amsterdam? (Or several other very nice European cities for that matter) Last I checked, the Netherlands were a pretty civilized country. In fact, the Dutch own more of America than any other country.

Yet, they choose to walk and ride bikes predominantly. Hmm. Maybe there's more to this wealth thing than big, shiny cars?

Az

carless
11-14-05, 10:07 PM
WSJ is a financial paper, guy deals in making and manipulating money. There is no big $ in bikes, quite the opposite- about 20% of the economy is based on auto's. Although I've never seen the amount of $hit in one written pile. Cars are WMD's!

natelutkjohn
11-15-05, 05:29 AM
There's a
perfectly good reason that the roads are crammed with tens of
millions of cars and that Americans drive eight billion miles
a year while spurning buses, trains, bicycles and subways.
Americans are rugged individualists who don't want to cram
aboard buses and subways.

...and if you believe this idiot, Americans are complete conformist wimps who are scared to get a little wet or load up a trailer with some groceries (as a good majority of them happen to be it seems)... who the heck does he think lived in this country before cars? Conformist walk-a-likes who couldn't be bothered with expending a little bit of their own energy?

What a joke.

TuckertonRR
11-15-05, 06:56 AM
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
-- Mahatma Gandhi

Carless:

I think you're quote is most appropriate!

Dahon.Steve
11-15-05, 08:33 AM
Usually these articles are from writers who are seeing their precious gas price go through the roof and miss the days of cheap fuel. They are spending more for insurance, parking and tolls yet still they drive making all the economic sacrifices for they consider public transportation beneath them. These writers see the traffic situation get worse each year with no solution in sight and still think more road construction will will be the savior. If only we can build one more bridge or another super highway, cars will move freely just like it did 50 years ago. They know we are spending billions overseas fighting wars for oil but tell themselves it's all for freedom. The predictions of global warming is an illusion and the polution is not their problem since they live in the burbs. These writers talk about how technology will come save the day and allow them to drive SUV's for pennies on the dollar and it's the government who's causing all the problems. These writers are unbelievable.

andygates
11-15-05, 10:28 AM
The writer's arguments are weak to non-existent. If you ride a bike you're a bike radical, a hardcore leftie, a third-worlder and you hate everyone who doesn't think like you.

Um, nope. Try again. Try harder.

randya
11-15-05, 11:02 AM
Reprinted from a local list serve for your enjoyment:

What a perfect opportunity to pontificate on "Urban Sprawl Economics,"
because this is precisely the type of thinking Mr. Moore-on is thunking.

Most of you are already in the know,
but here's a refresher on U.S. Economics,
just for fun:

Spread everything far and wide,
so the automobile is essentially needed.
$$Cha-ching$$

Separate agriculture from urban settings
so freight trucks are essentially needed.
$$Cha-ching$$

Separate the homes of workers from their work place,
so again the automobile is essential.
$$Cha-ching$$

Make the automobile dependent on oil, and...
$$Cha-ching!!!$$

Thus when Mr. Moore-in-need-of-a-brain-cell points to some unreferenced
"studies" backing his theory of

"...the more the energy a nation uses and
the more the cars that it has,
the more productive the workers, the richer the society, and
the healthier the citizens..."

Well! the Oil and Automotive Goliaths sure have the people paying penance (as
though it were a sin not to consume oil or not drive a car)!

Moore-under, this member of The Wall Street Journal's editorial board,
is confident in his assumption that when the youngsters of a second grade
class - he visited - became old enough to drive,
their "negative-Green" attitudes toward cars would change.

Ah, the beauty of such an assumption is that when they are older, Mr.
Moore-not-less will have left no fuel with which for them to drive. Pity.

So for all the world-transforming work and bicycle-choosen lifestyle and
sustainable community restructuring the people are doing, it'll surely be a
stone in the eye some day for the colossal controlling Giants.

May your heart's pursuit be strong and able in these shadow times,

Chris L
11-15-05, 08:52 PM
I think I understand now, after reading the article a few times. It must all be satire, as there could not possibly be anyone dumb enough to believe the above quote.

... And furthermore, anyone who is dumb enough to take it seriously fully deserves to be locked into a lifestyle of ever increasing debt, working a billion hours overtime to meet car repayments, sitting in gridlock and obesity.

Actually, I tend to think these are the individuals at whom this article was specifically aimed. Telling people what they already believed (no matter how misguided) is a great way to sell newspapers or magazines.

attercoppe
11-15-05, 10:17 PM
What a w h o r e.
The only good part about this article is the phrase "axles of evil." I love it!

humancongereel
11-15-05, 10:55 PM
"axles of evil" is also a bike polo team in pdx.

but that other article posted here about how the automobile is "essential, $$Cha-ching!$$" is the most retarded piece of crap i've ever read. the only point i'll cede to people like that is that yes, for interstate commerce, etc, big trucks are needed. but for anything else, it's unnecessary. the part about separating workers from their place of work--that in and of itself is unecessary. not to mention a stupid and ****ty way to plan a city, as we continually see here in boise (well, those of use not so oil drunk that we can't get out of cars now and again--or all the time).

attercoppe
11-15-05, 11:01 PM
I don't think the OP of the "Cha-ching" article is saying that they believe cars are essential, etc - but that that is how the US economy is structured; that the big guys have purposely set our society up so that cars are necessary.

rule
11-16-05, 07:47 AM
What do you expect from a paper whose top advertisers include just about every automobile manufacturer....

AlanK
11-16-05, 02:23 PM
Yes, this is blatant propaganda. He equates bicycles and scooters with poor, developing nations, and yet never discusses how prevalent bicycles and mass transit are in most western European countries. He refers to people packed/crammed into mass transit systems (or something to that extent), and argues that cars offer create greater individual freedom. In some cases cars do enable greater individual mobility, but not when used as a basic, daily means of transit. Has this guy ever driven in LA, Houston, Atlanta, most other major US cities during rush-hour? In many cases it's faster to walk than be stuck in traffic.

The only time his points seem relevant to me is when cars are used to reach remote (wilderness) areas - this is really what cars should be used for; weekend getaways. The way he uses Katrina is heinous :mad: Yes, if more people had cars, they could have escaped, but even more could have escaped if there had been more mass transit (esp rail) available.

I wonder where this guy lives - I'd like to find him and kick his ass :p

BeTheChange
11-16-05, 03:55 PM
If more people in NO had cars durring Katrina it would have been even worse because the roads would have been even more jammed. How about if we had a light rail system in place instead of a automobile system. In the same space a train can transport a lot more people than cars.

If I met this guy I'd tickle him. He sounds like the type that wouldn't take to kindly to being tickled.

Roody
11-16-05, 04:37 PM
What do you expect from a paper whose top advertisers include just about every automobile manufacturer....
Oh. . . . I didn't know we were talking about Bicycling magazine. :p

gorn
11-16-05, 05:29 PM
and that mom never needs to bring home three bags of groceries.

My mommy can bring home three bags of groceries on her bike.

humancongereel
11-16-05, 06:52 PM
my mommy can beat up your mommy.

humancongereel
11-16-05, 06:53 PM
i mean, ride faster. :)

SteveE
11-16-05, 08:45 PM
I'd bet a good proportion of people who work on Wall St. use mass transit.

Gest
11-16-05, 09:13 PM
I don't believe there is a proportion of Wall Street workers who could be called "good".

oboeguy
11-17-05, 07:24 AM
I don't believe there is a proportion of Wall Street workers who could be called "good".

Yay! Us vs. Them(TM), FTW!!!!!111one

I've worked on "Wall Street". In fact my most recent job was at a hedge fund -- I bike commuted, bringing my folder into the office. I don't own a car. Am I not "good"? The guy who wrote the article is obviously one of those folks who we'll never "turn". The dude is a self-contradictory idiot, clearly. But pleeease do not generalize this into some sort of nonsense name-calling, kthx. :D

cerewa
11-17-05, 09:44 AM
I wrote back to the WSJ.

Stephen Moore's November 11 article, "The War Against the Car" suffers from some severe faults in logic.

Moore states that "If every poor family had had a car and not a transit token, few would have had to be warehoused in the hellhole of the Superdome." If buses had been used sensibly, poor families would have had
no need for cars in order to leave the city. Furthermore, buses cause less congestion than cars.

He also states that "The car allowed even the common working man total freedom of mobility -- the means to go anywhere, anytime, for any reason." The car has yet to provide, and will never provide, most of the world's population with any kind of mobility. There simply isn't enough fuel. For the working person in the United States, bicycles can provide a great deal
of mobility and flexibility. Bicycles offer workers a financial flexibility that cars can't: moderate to low-income people who don't own cars are free to spend almost all of their income on non-transportation needs (and wants) rather than pouring it into an automobile.

Car-owners have the flexibility to choose jobs and homes that are far apart, but choosing a beautiful house close to one's workplace is far less difficult than many people believe. Furthermore, the money that can be saved by not owning a car can be used for beautiful vacations or other expensive entertainment, or generous charitable giving; for many car-owners, who can afford little beyond food, housing, and the many expenses of car ownership, such options are not available.

I hope they publish my response, though I will be utterly unsurprised if they don't.

AlanK
11-17-05, 11:20 AM
Yay! Us vs. Them(TM), FTW!!!!!111one

I've worked on "Wall Street". In fact my most recent job was at a hedge fund -- I bike commuted, bringing my folder into the office. I don't own a car. Am I not "good"? The guy who wrote the article is obviously one of those folks who we'll never "turn". The dude is a self-contradictory idiot, clearly. But pleeease do not generalize this into some sort of nonsense name-calling, kthx. :D

Yeah, wall street is like any other industry - there's good and bad. Unfortunately, the bad have the power to do tremenoud damage.

Roody
11-17-05, 04:47 PM
Yay! Us vs. Them(TM), FTW!!!!!111one

I've worked on "Wall Street". In fact my most recent job was at a hedge fund -- I bike commuted, bringing my folder into the office. I don't own a car. Am I not "good"? The guy who wrote the article is obviously one of those folks who we'll never "turn". The dude is a self-contradictory idiot, clearly. But pleeease do not generalize this into some sort of nonsense name-calling, kthx. :D
I think workers on Wall St. are just as exploited as workers at Walmart or in any other industry. They might make a little more money, but a simple truth is that the more you receive the more you must pay back. So if you were able to escape, congratulations on your close call.

catatonic
11-19-05, 08:41 AM
Pretty much, I pity that moron.

He's obviously so out of shape that he cannot possibly fathom riding 100 freaking miles to get out of a storm's path....at least get to the "dryer" side of the levees.

...no, this guy is just incredibly narrow-minded. He also failed to mention China...they are possibly the most "car-free" of people, and are our biggest economic threat. Then go look at Holland...nice nation, and has a serious view on bikes as transportation AND as a workhorse.

Truth of the matter is, reason we would crumble if we all went car-free is our transportation infrastructure was designed to hold all it's eggs in one basket...and that basket is the automobile. It's not to say we can't do it...but it will be very awkward for a while.

MasonM
11-19-05, 06:24 PM
Oh, he was serious? I was laughing so hard I didn't notice.

ViciousCycle
11-20-05, 04:25 AM
Here's an editorial on cars that beats this WSJ article easily...

http://www.comics.com/comics/frazz/archive/images/frazz2002220051116.gif

tfahrner
11-20-05, 08:51 AM
"...the car is indispensable -- it is our exoskeleton"
http://todd.cleverchimp.com/blog/coincidence.png