All the good bands, meaning those with talent that play music, seem to be full of musicians 40 and up. Good examples are Rush, Van Halen and AC/DC. All the new bands, whether it be Korn, Linkin Park, Drowning Pool or any of that other garbage seem to be capable only of playing annoying trash. No new talent seems to be interested in playing what sounds good. Last year I saw a concert with Steppenwolf and the Doors. That stuff was awesome, but those guys are in their 60's and can't keep it up much longer.

Its not that kids these days don't like real music, they do. I visited my old Boy Scout troop and was not surprised to learn that 20 out of 40 or so of the kids aged 12-17 were Led Zepplin fans. I think a big problem is the media promoting tastless and talentless losers like Ashley Simpson.

It seems like Rock music, at least current production rock is dying a slow, painful death. What do you think?

I wouldn't call that rock and roll. I would call it metal.

That other new stuff... I'd call it alternative.

Rock and roll is already dead.

Koffee

It's dead, Jim.

rock is not mainstream any more. that's for sure. however, most GOOD music is not mainstream - at least at the beginning. sometimes you gotta seek out what you want, but there is good music out there.

All the good bands, meaning those with talent that play music, seem to be full of musicians 40 and up. Good examples are Rush, Van Halen and AC/DC. All the new bands, whether it be Korn, Linkin Park, Drowning Pool or any of that other garbage seem to be capable only of playing annoying trash. No new talent seems to be interested in playing what sounds good. Last year I saw a concert with Steppenwolf and the Doors. That stuff was awesome, but those guys are in their 60's and can't keep it up much longer.

Its not that kids these days don't like real music, they do. I visited my old Boy Scout troop and was not surprised to learn that 20 out of 40 or so of the kids aged 12-17 were Led Zepplin fans. I think a big problem is the media promoting tastless and talentless losers like Ashley Simpson.

It seems like Rock music, at least current production rock is dying a slow, painful death. What do you think?

How old are you? What did you grow up listening to?

Hey, hey! My, my...

I didn't realize it was alive. Did a little Lazarus thing there in the early 90's, but it's gone back into the tomb for some time now.

All the good bands, meaning those with talent that play music, seem to be full of musicians 40 and up. Good examples are Rush, Van Halen and AC/DC. All the new bands, whether it be Korn, Linkin Park, Drowning Pool or any of that other garbage seem to be capable only of playing annoying trash. No new talent seems to be interested in playing what sounds good. Last year I saw a concert with Steppenwolf and the Doors. That stuff was awesome, but those guys are in their 60's and can't keep it up much longer.

Its not that kids these days don't like real music, they do. I visited my old Boy Scout troop and was not surprised to learn that 20 out of 40 or so of the kids aged 12-17 were Led Zepplin fans. I think a big problem is the media promoting tastless and talentless losers like Ashley Simpson.

It seems like Rock music, at least current production rock is dying a slow, painful death. What do you think?

You sounds like an curmugeonly old man. Get out there and listen to some bands which aren't all over the radio. There are at least a dozon good bands out there unless you are seeking somebody to repeat what was done in the '60's.

Deader than the proverbial doornail. Rap put it in it's grave, and Nu-Metal made it roll over in it. Things change, but there's still plenty of good music around. Also, aren't you the Nuge's neighbor? Just head over to his house and listen to old albums with him. :)

Once in a while a new CD will come out from one of the old bands (Stones, Aerosmith, etc) that's real rock. They get very little air play. In the mainstream rock has been gone for some time.

BTW. Some of the stuff a lot of the country singers (Kenny Chesney, Rascal Flatts, etc.) are doing now would have been played right next to the rock bands like the Eagles, Allman Bros., Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc. in the early seventies.

SS

There's still plenty of good "Rock and Roll" around, it's just all independent. Current radio rock is just a billion bands trying to replicate what Pearl Jam did in the early-90s.

As far as good Rock and Roll stuff to check out, I recommend Ted Leo and the Pharmacists, The Wrens, and Queens of the Stone Age (although I think QOTSA is boring as hell). Ted Leo is probably the best out of those...Tryanny of Distance is their best album.

Deader than the proverbial doornail. Rap put it in it's grave, and Nu-Metal made it roll over in it. Things change, but there's still plenty of good music around. Also, aren't you the Nuge's neighbor? Just head over to his house and listen to old albums with him. :)

I met him several times, and he's a friend of a friend of mine, but I don't know him. He is certainly not my neighbor, he lives in Texas.

How old are you? What did you grow up listening to?

I'm 19. I didn't get into music until I was 12 or so and got into what can best be described as hendrix-metallica.

Hey, hey! My, my...


Lovely. :p
Threadstopper, if ever I heard one.

WTF is wrong with you people? Rock n' roll is not dead. There are plenty of rock bands out there. Some are not as popular as music-industry tools like Britney Spears, but it is still out there. Just because it isn't on pop radio doesn't mean it isn't good.

What get me is how people relabel bands. I think it makes them feel sophisticated. Now, they have genres like alternative, progressive. Some of that garbage is alternative, but much of it is plain rock n roll.

Oh well, call it what you want. Rock, emo, punk, contemporary alternative, ..., it is all about rebelling against society and parents with power chords and wailing vocals.

I met him several times, and he's a friend of a friend of mine, but I don't know him. He is certainly not my neighbor, he lives in Texas.Oh, last I heard he lived in Michigan.

Oh well, call it what you want. Rock, emo, punk, contemporary alternative, ..., it is all about rebelling against society and parents with power chords and wailing vocals.


Hot punk? Cool funk? Even if it's old junk?

I think The Who already said it years ago... Rock is dead..

But Tull said it better:

Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die


The old Rocker wore his hair too long,
wore his trouser cuffs too tight.
Unfashionable to the end --- drank his ale too light.
Death's head belt buckle --- yesterday's dreams ---
the transport caf' prophet of doom.
Ringing no change in his double-sewn seams
in his post-war-babe gloom.

Now he's too old to Rock'n'Roll but he's too young to die.

He once owned a Harley Davidson and a Triumph Bonneville.
Counted his friends in burned-out spark plugs
and prays that he always will.
But he's the last of the blue blood greaser boys
all of his mates are doing time:
married with three kids up by the ring road
sold their souls straight down the line.
And some of them own little sports cars
and meet at the tennis club do's.
For drinks on a Sunday --- work on Monday.
They've thrown away their blue suede shoes.

Now they're too old to Rock'n'Roll and they're too young to die.

So the old Rocker gets out his bike
to make a ton before he takes his leave.
Up on the A1 by Scotch Corner
just like it used to be.
And as he flies --- tears in his eyes ---
his wind-whipped words echo the final take
and he hits the trunk road doing around 120
with no room left to brake.

And he was too old to Rock'n'Roll but he was too young to die.
No, you're never too old to Rock'n'Roll if you're too young to die.

Here are two ironic little listenings to consider when thinking over this:

"Rock'N'Roll Ghost" by the Replacements

Rock'n'Roll Is Dead by The Hellacopters

Hey, hey! My, my...

Hot punk? Cool funk? Even if it's old junk?

Nice, RegularGuy. Understated but nice.

Today's music aint got the same soul.

Here are two ironic little listenings to consider when thinking over this:

"Rock'N'Roll Ghost" by the Replacements

Rock'n'Roll Is Dead by The Hellacopters

Don't forget about "Rock n' Roll is Dead" by Lenny Kravitz.

Nice, RegularGuy. Understated but nice.

Today's music aint got the same soul.

I usually don't give in this easy, but it is hard to play devil's advocate on this one. Well put. Heck, in the past two years, I've "bought" only about 3 albums and I rarely listen to them. I've got the old playlists on repeat.

You know what I find disturbing? When I go back home to visit my family in the Chicago area (burbs), there is always a barbque and they all listen to the same old classic rock station that plays the same songs over and over. I don't see how they do it? Don't they get sick of Bob Seger, Zeppelin, Golden Earring, Alice Cooper, Janice Joplin, The Who, The Rolling Stones, and Thin Lizzy?

To each his own I guess.

Ever heard the song by AC/DC? "Rock 'n' Roll Aint Noise pollution"

Ever heard the song by AC/DC? "Rock 'n' Roll Aint Noise pollution"
i hate ac/dc!

White Stripes

Don't forget about "Rock n' Roll is Dead" by Lenny Kravitz.

But we'd rather forget about Lenny Kravitz all together.

haha!!!

i hate ac/dc!
That's the first person i've heard say that...

And surely not the last: AC/DC is awful.

If rock was truly dead, we wouldn't be discussing it.

If rock was truly dead, we wouldn't be discussing it.I can think of a lot of dead things worth discussing, Kennedy, Jazz, Charlemagne, my sainted Granny, etc.
:(

Interpol has some interesting stuff. :)

I can think of a lot of dead things worth discussing, Kennedy, Jazz, Charlemagne, my sainted Granny, etc.
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True, but we know that Kennedy is dead. We are discussing whether or not Rock is dead. Big difference.

Seriously, I consider it a matter of definition. I personally consider John Cougar Mellencamp and Bruce Springsteen as the last couple "Rock 'n Roll" artists that really mattered before it "died." I'm sure a lot of people might disagree, and define the term differently, applying to different people. It's really nothing to argue about or get ill over.

I can think of a lot of dead things worth discussing, Kennedy, Jazz, Charlemagne, my sainted Granny, etc.
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Besides, is Jazz really dead? There are plenty of jazz clubs that are still open. Jazz music is still produced.

I feel that many people in this thread measure the worth of a music genre by how it is represented in the pop music industry. Just because it isn't in a rotation with Britney Spears songs doesn't mean it is dead.

I do admit that Rock is severely dying. It had a big spike and ever since then, it's been hanging on by a thread. However, it is still there. Nickelback, Audioslave, White Zombie, and many others are somehow keeping rock alive.

Sanskrit is dead because no one speaks it anymore. People still listen to rock.

I feel that many people in this thread measure the worth of a music genre by how it is represented in the pop music industry. Just because it isn't in a rotation with Britney Spears songs doesn't mean it is dead.
Ouch! I hope that wasn't directed at me. :roflmao:

Seriously, I consider it a matter of definition. I personally consider John Cougar Mellencamp and Bruce Springsteen as the last couple "Rock 'n Roll" artists that really mattered before it "died." I'm sure a lot of people might disagree, and define the term differently, applying to different people. It's really nothing to argue about or get ill over.

You are right. It is all relative. What matters is that you like the music that you like. Who cares about labels? Obviously, many people here care about labels. The music industry cares about labels. After all, they groom the band with makeup and dreadlocks so he/she doesn't have a "rock" appearance. Rock began to die when it got sucked up by the music industry, this much is true.

One of the biggest scams the music industry was Linkin Park. LP started out as a boy band. They have the typical boy band makeup; pretty boy, tough boy, ... Couple that with whiney lyrics that only relate to a 21 year old man still living with his oppressive parents and you have yourself a naive following that will pay lot of money for your CDs and concerts, just so they can relate to others that don't want to do anything with their lives. I've heard co-workers say that their lyrics are insightful. I can make up lyrics comparable to LP, it isn't that hard. "Mom grounded me for a week because I got an F in history. But I read the DaVinci code and history is full of S#$%. My history teacher belongs to Opus Dei, and the principle is gay." See, it isn't that hard.

Ouch! I hope that wasn't directed at me. :roflmao:

No, it wasn't. I was just making a point outside of my "Kennedy/Rock comparison" point. Most people listen to music outside of the pop realm. Personally, I think there is some good music that happens to be pop. However, I've known plenty of people that believe if it is not on the radio, then it isn't good.

When people say that Rock is dead, it makes me believe that they only pay attention to TRL. Like I said before, I do believe that Rock is dying, but it is still there. Just because Carson Daly isn't interviewing them doesn't mean it is a failure.

A great example is my friend Steve. Some time ago, he bought the Hole CD. At the time, they only had 2 hits on the radio. He complained about the CD because it only had 2 good songs on it. Of course, the only 2 good songs were the songs on the radio. Then, Hole came out with a 3rd hit off that album. Suddenly, Steve began to complain because the album had only THREE good songs on it.