Foo - how do you pronounce "prima facie"

ok probably you don't but my job has a lot of legal stuff in it

do you say "preema farsier" or more "primer facy"?

pryma fayshee ?

preema `fach-ee

prime-a faysh-a

Awww, I pronounce it Pre-ma Feysa also Eventservices has a good response too.

Me in the legal field too.

Tweaked from Black's Law Dictionary: pray-muh fay-shee.

Lawyers are all over the board on this and other latin terms. I tend to pronounce it pray-muh fah-shuh.

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pry meh fay shee ee!

"Pre-ma Fay-sha" was always how I heard it... :?

preema `fach-ee

Sounds about right.

Now here's a toughie: Voir dire.

"pry-muh fa'-cey" is the way most of the lawyers I work around pronounce it. Here in the South you get some interesting pronunciations of Latin terms by lawyers, politicians, and other disreputable sorts. The annual session of the Florida Legislature is closed with the call of "Sine die." It is properly pronounced "see-nay dee'-ay", but our good ol' boy legislators say "sy'-nee dye'."

Sounds about right.

Now here's a toughie: Voir dire.

Just got back from a trial in St Louis. The judge pronounced it "vore dire" (rhymes with "wore tire"). Too much French in high school - I pronounce it "vwah deer".

Just got back from a trial in St Louis. The judge pronounced it "vore dire" (rhymes with "wore tire"). Too much French in high school - I pronounce it "vwah deer".

I have only heard it as "vwar-deer." I have done jury duty enough to be quite familiar with it.

I enjoyed my old redneck police buddy who would talk about putting the "habeas snatchus" on a criminal.

prime-a faysh-a

this is how philosophers pronounce it. dunno about lawyers...

pri ma fac ie

:) I have no idea

in latin it is pronounced...

Pre-ma fack-E-A (the fac is pronounced fact without the T) (Pronounce the E like you would if you said "e") (Repeat the comment about the "E" for the "A")

Sure about that? The tendency in western European languages is that "c" before a "narrow/light" wovel is pronounced as "s" or "sh", but not as "k".

I don't know Latin, but my best guess would be "PREEM-uh FAH-see".

I am talking latin, not modern language. So if you saw that in a translation, that is how you would read it. I have no clue the modern way of saying it though.

You can't expect perfection with latin terms in the law. They come from a hodge podge of actual latin, Frenchified latin (from the Norman invasion) and sloppy church latin. Try getting a lawyer and a philospher to pronounce "bona fides".

Is there a modern way of saying anything in Latin?
The language's been dead as a native language for, what, 15 centuries or more...?

No, I pretty much meant the modern way of pronouncing the word as compared to the "traditional" latin way. I probably did not need that post, but whatever.

throat warbler mangrove?

Rarnaby Fudge.

The correct way to pronounce latin legal terms is exactly the same way that the judge in your case pronounces them.

How about this one: What do you say when you see "v." between the names of two parties? I'm a strong believer in saying "against": i.e., "Roe against Wade." "Versus" is abbreviated "vs." and is confined to sporting contests. [dons contrarian flame suit]

For the love of god, just find a synonym!

The correct way to pronounce latin legal terms is exactly the same way that the judge in your case pronounces them.

How about this one: What do you say when you see "v." between the names of two parties? I'm a strong believer in saying "against": i.e., "Roe against Wade." "Versus" is abbreviated "vs." and is confined to sporting contests. [dons contrarian flame suit]

Well if we really want to translate it, shouldn't it be "Roe against any reasonable interpretation of the Constitution"?

Now that's gonna require a flame suit.

Every lawyer I know pronounces "v." as "vee". As in "Pennoyer vee Neff" and "Palsgraff vee Long Island Railroad."

Saying "versus" immediately identifies the speaker as a layperson.

sure wish i know what prima facie ment.

it means "on the face of it" or "as far as can be determined without carefully examining all the facts in depth". It is also sometimes defined as "at first glance" but this doesn't fit very well with the usual legal use.

My debate class pronounced it preemah faysha.

I doubt Latin had diphthongs (a=ey) like the English ones...

For those guys who are NOT from New Hampshire:

You may want to use prima facie, sine die, inaudita altera pars, and many other poshy expressions, when writing your petitions, specially when you are young lawyers.

Then, after 10 or 20 years of practice, you may want to simply "be understood".

I am a lawyer in Brazil, portuguese is a cousin language to Latin, and Italian and French too. This makes it somewhat "intuitive" to recognize what the old adagies mean. But still, there is absolutely no obligation under the law, to know or to use such foreign (and long deceased) clauses.

I find that using foreign or dead languages is "double work". Let me explain. You have the trouble of writing your text, which is usually laid down to "convince" someone else (a judge, a party, the taxman). If your reader is a learned person and AGREES with your interpretation of the context and the usage of that foreign expression... then that's okay ! But what if he/she did not agree, or simply UNDERSTAND what you meant with your speech? then you will have MORE work to convince someone higher up (appeal etc.) of your case.

For you guys, who speak English ... all I can suggest is, look into your own culture ... for a young lawyer I would say, that the reading of "The Devil and Daniel Webster" should be mandatory...

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/devil/devil.htm

This is my question for you ... are there latin phrases in Mr. Benet's amazing story? hardly. If you read it with a magnifier, all you will find is the Devil using a F...rench word... contretémps ...

Even so, the case is well argued on both sides, and we feel that we fully understand the case, so deeply that we can almost feel our own souls panting on the floor.

How's the usage of latin or foreign words and phrases in Vermont or Massachussets, nowadays ? :D

you haev to use latin or other foreign words to be cool and so nobody else understands you and thinks whoa that person said something amazing.