Mountain Biking - XC FULL SUSPSENSION needed
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10-05-02, 01:48 AM
I'm in the market for a new dual suspension mountain bike. I'm looking to spend no more than $1500 and would like to get a good idea of what would be the best deal for the money. I would eventually like to upgrade to disc brakes (within-6-12 months). does anyone have any good recommendations for a contemplating soul.......?
10-05-02, 02:47 AM
There was a thread looking for a bike in that price range. Some great suggestions were made. If you do a search (last 10 or 20 threads I believe) you will find what you are looking for.
10-05-02, 08:38 AM
Take it from someone who owns one: a giant nrs 2 is in your price range and is an incredible value for the money. Good components, and one of the best suspension desigs in any price range. I have had mine for about two months and I love it.
10-05-02, 09:00 AM
For anything under 1500$ go fisher. At 1500$ the base FSR is right in your range, and believe it or not (knobby, no offense) it is one of the best suspension designs out there. The frame is one of the best ones out there, period. The 4-bar suspension is completely active. I own an FSR Comp, and considered the NRS 2, but with the NRS system you give up small bump compliance. Later
10-05-02, 09:06 AM
Heres a quote from a guy at Mountain Bike Action
Best quote: "There's not a cross-country bike out there that will take you from point A to point B faster than the FSRxc. If you want to experience the benchmark full-suspension cross-country bike, this is it.
10-05-02, 05:03 PM
The NRS 2 is a great bike for $1500...LX/XT gruppo, Avid Mechanical disc brakes, Manitou fork, and "rear lockout". You should also check out the Jamis Dakar Comp...LX/XT gruppo, Hayes Hydraulic disc, Manitou fork, but no rear lockout. The Dakar Comp also retails for $1500.
Both of these bikes will save you money in the long term from paying more money to upgrade to disc, which the Specialized Stumpjumper does not have in the $1500 price range. If you can locate and test ride these bikes, do so. It will be cool if you can find 2002 models on sale.
10-05-02, 05:58 PM
GET THE GIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peace out bizatch...
10-05-02, 07:55 PM
i just bought 2003 trek fuel 90 about two weeks ago. i got the v-brake model, but it is available with disc brakes. so far, it's a great bike. there was a review of all the 1500.00 full-suspension bikes in mountain bike action (april 2002). the fuel came in second to fisher sugar 3+, followed by specialized fsr xc , giant nrs2, and cannondale jekyll. they said the fsr with some changes ( bars, tires, seatpost) would have won. i rode trek, spec., and giant, but in the end, i got such a good deal on 2003 ( 50.00 more than 2002 models on closeout) that i chose the fuel 90. i should mention that i thought the specialized and giant rode really well too.
Alright heres my breakdown of it:
Giant- NRS is a decent system, it has it downfalls. While pedaling up hill if you break your candence the suspension will overcompensate and bob. Giant has high quality components, with good frames. Also with the NRS its not made for small bumps, you will feel all of those, the small to medium bumps are what it takes. Also it has 3 3/4 inches of travel, but it brake jacks, meaning that the rear suspension becomes inactive while braking.
Specialized. 4-Bar with the horst-link. The system is fully active at all times. It does not brake jack or bob. The frame you will probably get is an M4 frame, the last generation S-Works frame, nough said. I have the SJ Comp, with the fox forx. I love it, its active up hills which gives you more traction, its the quickest bike on the single track. Check out mbaction.com its Mountain Bike Action and the bike they race is an FSR and they have reviewed them. You get decent components for the money, nothing too lacking except for the seatpost and tires. It has 70-90mm of travel. Also mbaction said that the brakes on the FSR were almost as good as the mechs on the NRS 2.
Trek- The Fuel is rocker link. It is not 4-bar, so it does brake jack, but not bas bad as the NRS. Alsothe higher up you ride in the cog. the less active it is. Not too noticable. With Trek you get a lot of house components. Its a solid bike, but the travel is unadjustable, and it is not forgiving as the FSR. But Trek is smart about the way they speck their bikes, and obviously that goes for the Fishers as well.
Cannondale-Road bikes are good. The Jekyll is an old URT system (unified rear triangle), the same kind of system used on the Pacifics of the bike world. The suspension does bob, thats inherent, if you stand up to pedal, you will regert it. The headshocks are old technology and Canni is slowly phasing them out. You can look for yourself, I am not lying. Coda parts are not of the highest quality, they are notorious for breaking, and just being of weak quality in general. The brakes, they have a weird routing path, which causes them to be weak. The packaging deals are weak, often a Jeykll of 200$ more than a Fuel or FSR will still have weaker components.
GT- Thank god they are coming back, I know their bikes aren't ready yet, but when they are. It will be nice.
Jamis- Their Dakar's are good bikes. While the suspension desgin is I believe sign pivot with a link, its still good. The quality of their bikes is very high. They pack a high level of performance in a small package.
Kona-Like Jamies, but a different system, and these bikes are geared toward the hartier and of people. They are made to be ridden hard. The system is like the Fuels, (it may even be 4-bar) but it gets more travel. Again, a good bike.
Santa Cruz- The Superlight is a great bikes, solid frame, component spec, geomerty. But I believe it may be out of your price range. Once again its single-pivot and not fully active like the FSR.
Rockey Mountain- If you can look for an ETS-X, I hear those are good bikes.
Finally first and formost find a bike that fits you right, everything is second rate.[B]
10-06-02, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Cdude
Giant- NRS is a decent system, it has it downfalls. While pedaling up hill if you break your candence the suspension will overcompensate and bob. Giant has high quality components, with good frames. Also with the NRS its not made for small bumps, you will feel all of those, the small to medium bumps are what it takes. Also it has 3 3/4 inches of travel, but it brake jacks, meaning that the rear suspension becomes inactive while braking. [B]
I own a Giant NRS, and recommend it, especially if you race.
However, Cdude, if the rear suspension is set up properly, i.e. the proper air pressure in the shock, it never bobs when climbing.
The Giant is set up with zero sag, so when you stop pedaling it is already at the top of the suspension. Pedaling keeps the suspension topped out, eliminating bob.
However, it is true that it small bumps are not its strong point, but that's the price you pay for true hardtail climbing without fooling with a lockout switch.
Brake Jack definition: When braking the rear suspension locks out rendering it useless.
The NRS is known for this, and I will confirm that it's true. I have noticed one positive feature of brake jacking, I descend faster. Why? Because when I'm descending with the brakes on I know that my rear sus is useless, so I try harder to leave the brakes alone. So my suspension stays active and I descend faster, because my suspension is active.
The NRS is a unique suspension system, but it isn't for everyone. I like mine, but if you're looking for lots of cush for your tush, this isn't the one for you. If you climb a lot, and like to descend fast and racing is in your future, the NRS is a good choice. If your a casual rider, go with the Specialized and stay away from the Fuel or Sugar - which also aren't great small bump bikes.
The NRS has more of a race geomtery than the big red S's do. Plus, Giant has more bang for your buck in that price range. The Specialized Stumpjumper FSR is what you'd get, and that has a mediocre fork, and no discs. But the NRS 2 has discs, and a better fork for roughly the same price. Giant are built to be ridden! :rolleyes:
10-10-02, 06:44 PM
I have a devinci saguaro and i love it, ive had it for about 3 months now and i havent had a problem yet. Its a smooth riding bike with decent components (deore) and decent suspension (Judy C) and I bought myne for 850 so its a great bike and definatley in your price range!!! Another bike for about 1200 bucks is the chili pepper by devinci
10-11-02, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by fubar5
But the NRS 2 has discs, and a better fork for roughly the same price.
who are you kidding it has a better fork? a manitou black comp or a duke XC? i''d take the duke
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