Foo - Power Trip

Hey Koffee, can you tell me how to reset a fuse when it's tripped? I hate these power trips.

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_SM/0028-0403-1411-3607_SM.jpg

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what happened?

I assume they're referring to the closing of the post your pics thread.

oh ok, :o hadn't even noticed that. thanks, jschen :)

Please (if they reopen it) people keep it to a non explicit degree of a pic's content lol thanks:P

Hey Koffee, can you tell me how to reset a fuse when it's tripped? I hate these power trips.

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_SM/0028-0403-1411-3607_SM.jpg

Sure. It's called your first official warning in our three strikes policy at bikeforums.

Koffee Brown

Forum Moderator

Sure. It's called your first official warning in our three strikes policy at bikeforums.

Koffee Brown

Forum Moderator

Pwned

LOL

And that, folks, is why we have private messages.

Sure. It's called your first official warning in our three strikes policy at bikeforums.

Koffee Brown

Forum Moderator

Hey, I expect nothing less from you. Thanks for reinforcing my post.

Hey, I expect nothing less from you. Thanks for reinforcing my post.

Indeed.

Koffee, you can make an argument for closing the picture thread (well, maybe you can't, but a competent moderator could), but how do you justify warning mirona here?

Indeed.

Koffee, you can make an argument for closing the picture thread (well, maybe you can't, but a competent moderator could), but how do you justify warning mirona here?

Shhhhh! Say it in a pm or you'll get one too! :p ;)

haha is that you mirona in your avatar?

Hey, I expect nothing less from you. Thanks for reinforcing my post.

You better not cuss
You better not swear
You better not post pics of skimpy underwear
Koffee Brown is moddin' the boards

She's makin' a list
She's checkin' it twice
She's gonna find out who's naughty & nice
Koffee Brown is moddin' the boards

She sees it when you're posting
She knows when you're on break
She khows if they have clothes or not
So have 'em dressed for goodness sake

You better not cuss
You better not swear
You better not post pics of skimpy underwear
Koffee Brown is moddin' the boards

She's makin' a list
She's checkin' it twice
She's gonna find out who's naughty & nice
Koffee Brown is moddin' the boards

She sees it when you're posting
She knows when you're on break
She khows if they have clothes or not
So have 'em dressed for goodness sake

Now THAT is Christmas music!!!

*TRUTH* - It is what it is!

Now THAT is Christmas music!!!

*TRUTH* - It is what it is!
Ah, if I didn't have to start my work for the day, I could filk Xmas songs around Koffee all day. Maybe I'll do some this afternoon if she hasn't closed THIS thread too. <sheesh>

Indeed.

Koffee, you can make an argument for closing the picture thread (well, maybe you can't, but a competent moderator could), but how do you justify warning mirona here?

I see.

So when members are dissatisfied, they can take potshots within the forum, but we are expected to sit back and let the thread go on and on. In the meantime, moderators PM in private, and the members get on the thread and ask over and over again what's going on. The thread grows, and nothing seems to be getting resolved within the thread, then the members continue to ask what's going on. In the meantime, I'm off in private messages going back and forth with the member about why they created the thread. And of course, if I close the thread, then people get upset AGAIN. And let's not forget, instead of sending me a PM to voice his concerns, he decides to create a thread in public? He asked a question, I answered.

In the future, if people have questions or problems, I'll ask you to send me a PRIVATE MESSAGE so I don't have to go online and post a warning in public.

I've warned another member who participated in this thread... in private. Any future warnings will be sent to members... in private.

Again, if you have a problem with a moderator, don't create a thread opening dialogue with them in public. As Expatriate said, this is what happens when you don't use private messaging.

Koffee

Mod

Again, if you have a problem with a moderator, don't create a thread opening dialogue with them in public. As Expatriate said, this is what happens when you don't use private messaging.
Or when threads are closed for no reason.

The way I see it, if a thread is closed for (seemingly) no reason, then it becomes a public issue within the forum. We are just trying to get everything out in public so there is no secret cloak-and-dagger action going on.

I don't know how many ways from Sunday I have to explain something.

As I said in the "Post your Pic" thread, ALL PICTURES HAVE BEEN DELETED, so the members wouldn't be able to see what I was referring to. I thought by explaining this, it would make sense to members as to why I needed to step in and post to begin with. There is no secret to it. I posted it already. Is there additional explaining to do here?

I see you are confused. As I stated before, if you have questions or comments, PM me. Back and forth in a thread is not the way to go (as you can see with Mirona's failed attempt at addressing me in public).

I will ask all members if they are confused about such issues to use the PM system. That is what it is created for. And by using it, the disruption to the forums is minimum, and of course, your privacy is respected.

Koffee

Mod

Forum Members....if there is one thing I definitely agree with Koffee on, it's to bring the issues up via private message. Negative public threads like this have no purpose other than get some members worked up. It's bad for the forum in general.

Keep it private!!

If (and ONLY if) you weren't able to resolve it in private and you have your panties in a wad, then start a public thread so we can all make fun of you. But until that point, keep it private!

While I agree that rules should be enforced, I think it's turning into one of these NYC critical mass things where certain rules of the road are pushed onto people harder than others with much less leniency than others. It seems especially true of the ones where a naked rear end is shown.

Man, I always miss the nekkid booty pics. :(

While I agree that rules should be enforced, I think it's turning into one of these NYC critical mass things where certain rules of the road are pushed onto people harder than others with much less leniency than others. It seems especially true of the ones where a naked rear end is shown.

Naked fronts, naked backs... heck- naked sides. Nudity is nudity. We have forum guidelines barring it. So if you are someone who likes to share, don't.

Koffee

What I don't get is that people start threads like this aimed at other members all the time, and they are blatantly more harmful. Just look at some of the threads started about EURO or SinCity, for example. Why don't the mods close those threads? I see them all the time. Shouldn't someone who has a problem with EURO, for example, just PM him?

I understand why you deleted slvoid's picture, but you basically deleted the pictures and told people not to do it again. As far as I can tell, nobody did it again (unless they did and it got deleted), so why close the thread? Just because people dared to question the great Koffee.

If this thread was so bad, why didn't you just delete it and PM mirona? Then if he went and created another thread maybe you'd have reason to warn him.

You snooze you looze. :)


Man, I always miss the nekkid booty pics. :(

I think half the threads from Euro and Sincity should've been wiped out for good.

What I don't get is that people start threads like this aimed at other members all the time, and they are blatantly more harmful. Just look at some of the threads started about EURO or SinCity, for example. Why don't the mods close those threads? I see them all the time. Shouldn't someone who has a problem with EURO, for example, just PM him?

I understand why you deleted slvoid's picture, but you basically deleted the pictures and told people not to do it again. As far as I can tell, nobody did it again (unless they did and it got deleted), so why close the thread? Just because people dared to question the great Koffee.

If this thread was so bad, why didn't you just delete it and PM mirona? Then if he went and created another thread maybe you'd have reason to warn him.
Because if I delete a thread, members get up at arms- note the "Where did my thread go?" threads.

You can't win. Delete it and PM, members create posts asking where their thread went, and we get the posts coming at us anyway. Keep the thread, and members post anyway without coming straight to us and asking their questions anyway. It's a no win.

Here's my thought (again). If I have to spend this much time moderating one thread, when I have to (as well as the other mods) read at least thirty pages of new posts every day, and we read through as many as possible, then there's no way to keep one thread open and babysit it. It becomes... difficult to do our jobs, to say the least. If you want to discuss something, send out a PM. We'll get things resolved. But when you post out in public, this is what you get.

In the future, again- please send a PM. That makes things easier for everyone.

Koffee

Mod

P.S. While I do try to read through all threads, I don't know about this Euro/Sincity thread. No one complained or sent a report. If anyone could send me a PM with a link to these threads, I will investigate when I get some free time this afternoon and delete/modify as necessary.

Koffee

The fact of the matter is that a moderated forum has certain legal liabilities. An edited or moderated forum is responsible for its content. It is also true that its much more likely to get sued by an upset parent who's child was scarred for live by seeing someone's tusch than it is by having "I don't like Person X" threads.

You can debate whether one is more damaging than the other, but it doesn't change the fact that "sex" is a hot button topic in this country. Hell, you can get in trouble for taking a picture of your kids running naked down the hallway (the fact that it's funny is no defense).

The rules are what they are, and society is what it is. There's no point in getting ticked about it.

The fact of the matter is that a moderated forum has certain legal liabilities. An edited or moderated forum is responsible for its content. It is also true that its much more likely to get sued by an upset parent who's child was scarred for live by seeing someone's tusch than it is by having "I don't like Person X" threads.

You can debate whether one is more damaging than the other, but it doesn't change the fact that "sex" is a hot button topic in this country. Hell, you can get in trouble for taking a picture of your kids running naked down the hallway (the fact that it's funny is no defense).

The rules are what they are, and society is what it is. There's no point in getting ticked about it.

Yea, bla bla bla. She deleted the offending picture, which is no problem (in the rules) then locked the thread up. Offending content gone, why lock?

It's too much of a hassle to moderate it = copout.

Hell, you can get in trouble for taking a picture of your kids running naked down the hallway (the fact that it's funny is no defense).

Just in america though, they allow topless women overseas anywhere and it's not to taboo. Ironically I think they artificially make sex a taboo subject so it becomes more diserable and sells more in this country.

I don't know what happened here but I get the idea someone posted a naked or almost naked pic of a women or someone??
First, I'm very open about the sex thing. I too think America is WAY up tight about the sex thing, that is why its a hush-hush thing for most, crap most people don't even want to discuss it with their kids.
But I think we must remember that not all share our ideas and thoughts in this matter and that people don't have to read a thread but they do cause their interested. Then it might offend one person and such.
I myself wanted to say stuff but I don't, I have to remind myself that I might rub someone the wrong way. I agree that some things should be left to PM.
It sucks but its just the way the game goes right now.

I have no problem talking to other people's kids about sex...

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I think they artificially make sex a taboo subject so it becomes more diserable and sells more in this country.
It's all a plot of the Illuminati!!!! :eek:

Everything in moderation.

Ride in moderation
Drink in moderation
Eat in moderation
Post in moderation
Moderate in moderation

I understand most of the issues for the Mods perspective but there are times that I get the felling that in being a moderator the Mods have lost the ability to post for fun.
Have seen Posts by a few (to remain anonymous) Mods that push the rules in the past.

I know this last comment may put me on a black list but there seem to be a lot more threads lately getting the axe (locked and then a few days later deleted)

Man, I always miss the nekkid booty pics. :(

Here ya go, boyfriend!

WooooooooHoooooooooo!

Troll booty is better than no booty....

Yea, bla bla bla. She deleted the offending picture, which is no problem (in the rules) then locked the thread up. Offending content gone, why lock?

It's too much of a hassle to moderate it = copout.

I had to pick one post to respond to here, and this one is as good as any. In case any of you weren't aware, being a moderator is volunteer work. We're chosen for a variety of reasons, one of which is that we actively participate in a wide variety of the forums. By being involved in so many discussions, we get to know some members much more than others. It quickly becomes apparent who the troublemakers are, and who feels the need to push the limits of what is acceptable. And those members make it difficult for the moderators. Instead of being contributing participants ourselves, we spend an inordinate amount of time reading through reported threads, editing and deleting inappropriate content. No one here has the time nor inclination to baby sit you guys. If the rules are repeatedly broken in a certain thread, we're going to lock it. It's that simple. If people want to make it that unmanageable for us, we'll make it disappear.

From my quick read-through, it appears the only person that truly understands the issue actually has "Dad" in his name. Children as young as 13 are allowed on this forum. That would be 3 of my 4 kids. Would I want to expose them to some of the stuff posted here? No. And as moderators, we have a legal obligation to remove certain things. If you want to look at naked photos, there are plenty of other sites that will cater to you.

As far as starting a thread for the sole purpose of complaining about a moderator's actions, what were you thinking? You could have sent a PM and tried to discuss it with one of us. Instead, you've only mananged to make things worse for yourself, and those that you are dragging down with you. Hopefully you guys can get over your issues, and we'll be able to close this thread too, sooner rather than later.

I'm not sure what he was thinking but it's a pretty slipperly slope when certain actions start to resemble police responses to CM'ers; esp. now that we can't even complain in public.


As far as starting a thread for the sole purpose of complaining about a moderator's actions, what were you thinking? You could have sent a PM and tried to discuss it with one of us. Instead, you've only mananged to make things worse for yourself, and those that you are dragging down with you. Hopefully you guys can get over your issues, and we'll be able to close this thread too, sooner rather than later.

I'm not sure what he was thinking but it's a pretty slipperly slope when certain actions start to resemble police responses to CM'ers; esp. now that we can't even complain in public.

Complain all you want. But this appears to be a rather personal issue that one member has with a moderator. To refresh your memory, here is the OP:


Hey Koffee, can you tell me how to reset a fuse when it's tripped? I hate these power trips.

Is that a complaint, or a very thinly veiled personal attack? Doesn't look to me like he's asking for the photo thread to be reopened. Looks more like he's trying to stir things up.

I'm sure you're aware of my opinion of CM, so I find the police/CM'ers analogy interesting. I view both as an authoritarian response to known troublemakers.

As far as starting a thread for the sole purpose of complaining about a moderator's actions, what were you thinking? You could have sent a PM and tried to discuss it with one of us. Instead, you've only mananged to make things worse for yourself, and those that you are dragging down with you. Hopefully you guys can get over your issues, and we'll be able to close this thread too, sooner rather than later.

I think the last thing that should be done is closing another thread.
i dont see why all the mods want this to be discussed under the table in the form of PM's. This issue of closing threads that has been going on lately should be alowed to be openly discussed by the memebers.

It does seem like many of the mods are getting alittle trigger happy when it comes to putting the lock down on thread. I also recignize the fact that more and more people are just asking to get there posts deleted. I think the continuation of threads like these that allow mods and members to discuss their issues openly will be more efficient in putting this all behind us.

I think the last thing that should be done is closing another thread.
i dont see why all the mods want this to be discussed under the table in the form of PM's. This issue of closing threads that has been going on lately should be alowed to be openly discussed by the memebers.


Someone designed this fancy graphic to help me explain things: /.

You are the line. Notice how it goes off at an angle and misses the point completely? :D The issue of closed threads being discussed is certainly allowed. But if you have a personal issue, you should send a PM. Starting a thread that attacks another member is not the way to get results.

I agree.... w/ChanMan

I agree [snip]


Thank you.

I agree with ChAnMaN. After all, this is an open forum, so people should be able to take criticism. Personally, I've seen other members being attacked and criticised in other threads which hasn't resulted in locking the thread. Many people post on these threads and I'm sure that if not mirona, then someone else woud've complained in a new thread.

I also don't think it would've been such a big issue, had it not been for the number of threads locked and deleted lately.

This is good... I see some constructive sharing of dialog. I see how the Mods view their tasks and also how the members view the actions of the mods.

Let's keep this up! Talk is good here. :)

stace, now you are making me think of this being one of those therapy circles :D

what, did i miss the booty pics, damn. LOL

See thread #37, dude.