bike shredder
My first post on this forum; just bought a 05 C'date tandem and am thinking of putting a ESGE kickstand on the bike. Does anyone put this kickstand on this bike? Any information would be appreciated before I spring for this kickstand.
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WheresWaldo
Shredder,
I just bought the same bike, waiting for it to be delivered. Sorry I don't have much info on kickstands.
I just bought the same bike, waiting for it to be delivered. Sorry I don't have much info on kickstands.
tandemonium
We have a kickstand on our 'dale mt800. The kick stand is a light weight 'dale and was equipped on the bike when we bought it. We're glad we have it. You always have the option of not using it. It is convenient but can be quirky when parking the bike on rough turf.
2372ighost
I`m also interested in the responses to your question, I am thinking of putting the esge on my new to me Burley Rumba.
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merlinextraligh
No experience with this kickstand. But I do have experience with Cdale frames. Thinwall aluminum frames are pretty easy to crumple. The area were this will mount is probably reasonably thick tubing. But to make the kickstand work, you'll need to tighten the bolt down fairly snug. Personally I would not to put the stress on the tubes, or risk crumpling the frame.
There is a reason bike shops do not clamp frames on work stands ( good bike shops clamps to the seat post).
There is a reason bike shops do not clamp frames on work stands ( good bike shops clamps to the seat post).
stapfam
No experience with this kickstand. But I do have experience with Cdale frames. Thinwall aluminum frames are pretty easy to crumple. The area were this will mount is probably reasonably thick tubing. But to make the kickstand work, you'll need to tighten the bolt down fairly snug. Personally I would not to put the stress on the tubes, or risk crumpling the frame.
There is a reason bike shops do not clamp frames on work stands ( good bike shops clamps to the seat post).
Do agree entirely, I ride a Dale MT and my reason for not fitting a Stand is A- I don't need one. B- It will probably fall off and damage something else. C-Although the frame is is strong, to stop C- happening it would have to be bolted on tight and possibly damage the frame. I have bent a steel solo by clamping onto a stand on the top tube, and trying to remove cranks. That is why I now use a Bottom bracket supported stand that holds on the Down tube by a strong elastic.
There is a reason bike shops do not clamp frames on work stands ( good bike shops clamps to the seat post).
Do agree entirely, I ride a Dale MT and my reason for not fitting a Stand is A- I don't need one. B- It will probably fall off and damage something else. C-Although the frame is is strong, to stop C- happening it would have to be bolted on tight and possibly damage the frame. I have bent a steel solo by clamping onto a stand on the top tube, and trying to remove cranks. That is why I now use a Bottom bracket supported stand that holds on the Down tube by a strong elastic.
Old Hammer Boy
What's a kickstand? Sometimes I want to stand and kick myself!! Would never want to kick my stoker or my tandem.
DocF
Mel at TandemsEast tells me the that stand will fit on the Cannondales with some minor mods. I really needed one on Mackinac Island as there is a serious shortage of bike racks and posts to lean against in the town proper.
Doc
Doc
mtbcyclist
Congrats man! This thread sucks without bike porn!!!:p Show us a pic of the new C'Dale!!! :)
WheresWaldo
Mel at TandemsEast tells me the that stand will fit on the Cannondales with some minor mods. I really needed one on Mackinac Island as there is a serious shortage of bike racks and posts to lean against in the town proper.
Doc
What county is Reidsville in, I am in Union County!
Doc
What county is Reidsville in, I am in Union County!
vosyer
First of all these kickstands are awesome, if you do loaded touring and ride ferries they are great. That being said they dont't fit all tandem no matter how much modification you do to them. I agree with everyone's comment that you have to clamp them down alot which is even an issue with steel frames. I now use black electrical tape to wrap the tubes I am clamping to - just to save the paint underneath. I own two of these kickstands and tried to use another one on a new Co Motion Mocha but the rear stay is to large of diameter to allow a close enough distance to attach the clamping bolt. Just to let everyone no these are not cheap kickstands (40 to 60 dollars) depending where you buy them In my opinion though if you have a frame sturdy enoughto to attach them to they are well worth having.
bike shredder
Thanks for all the replys. I don't have the bike at this time but will be picking it up in a couple of weeks but just getting all the goodies together for the delivery day. I think that I am going to buy the kickstand and give it try. Will get back to the net with the results, tnx for all the help.
mrfish
Nooo. Don't do it!!!
My short experience with the kickstand that came with my sister's bike wasn't positive. They give a false sense of security and tip over when you least expect it, particularly once you load up the bike. Also they can hit your cranks, bend if you get on the bike with the stand down, not to mention the extra weight you have to pedal up every hill. After a few rides it was binned.
I am a bit mystified about why people feel the need for a stand on a bike that will do more than ride to the shops. When I ride there are always a good number of items to lean a bike against such as walls and railings. Propping the bike takes a little practice so that you don't scratch things, but works well. Look how other riders prop up their bikes as there are quite a few ways to prop it up that work well: rear tyre only against wall, balance against another bike, saddle against post, saddle and bar against wall, pedal on kerb etc.... The only thing that definitely doesn't work is using the top tube as the contact point. It's too slippery and scratches easily.
If you do somehow find yourself in the middle of a barren landscape without walls, fenceposts and trees, you could always sit on the cross bar or put the bike down by the side of the road!
Andrew
My short experience with the kickstand that came with my sister's bike wasn't positive. They give a false sense of security and tip over when you least expect it, particularly once you load up the bike. Also they can hit your cranks, bend if you get on the bike with the stand down, not to mention the extra weight you have to pedal up every hill. After a few rides it was binned.
I am a bit mystified about why people feel the need for a stand on a bike that will do more than ride to the shops. When I ride there are always a good number of items to lean a bike against such as walls and railings. Propping the bike takes a little practice so that you don't scratch things, but works well. Look how other riders prop up their bikes as there are quite a few ways to prop it up that work well: rear tyre only against wall, balance against another bike, saddle against post, saddle and bar against wall, pedal on kerb etc.... The only thing that definitely doesn't work is using the top tube as the contact point. It's too slippery and scratches easily.
If you do somehow find yourself in the middle of a barren landscape without walls, fenceposts and trees, you could always sit on the cross bar or put the bike down by the side of the road!
Andrew
TandemGeek
FWIW, I don't think I've had a kickstand on a bicycle since my '74 Araya Rex was stolen...
As for the tandems, if I can't find a building, tree, or another tandem to brace it against** I just lay it down on the non-drive side. What's laying down can't fall down.
It's also interesting to note that folks tend to give wider berth to a bike laying on the ground than they do ones that are upright.
**The folks at SWTR '04 provided a nifty hook & loop (aka, velcro) strap to everyone who attended that can be used to secure two tandems side-by-side at the stoker bars. It's actually quite amazing how well this works when the stoker bars are relatively similar in height and the strap is applied tightly.
As for the tandems, if I can't find a building, tree, or another tandem to brace it against** I just lay it down on the non-drive side. What's laying down can't fall down.
It's also interesting to note that folks tend to give wider berth to a bike laying on the ground than they do ones that are upright.
**The folks at SWTR '04 provided a nifty hook & loop (aka, velcro) strap to everyone who attended that can be used to secure two tandems side-by-side at the stoker bars. It's actually quite amazing how well this works when the stoker bars are relatively similar in height and the strap is applied tightly.
zonatandem
Have never used/needed a kickstand in our decades of tandeming.
It is just something else that becomes a 'necessity' that really we can do without.
We lean the tandem against something or lay it down (der. side up).
Have seen kids climbing on bikes parked, with a kickstand . . . not exactly recommended.
Lean it, lay it, or if you prefer, use a kickstand.
It is just something else that becomes a 'necessity' that really we can do without.
We lean the tandem against something or lay it down (der. side up).
Have seen kids climbing on bikes parked, with a kickstand . . . not exactly recommended.
Lean it, lay it, or if you prefer, use a kickstand.
merlinextraligh
What's laying down can't fall down.
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DocF
Reidsville is in Rockingham County, about 25 miles north of Greensboro up US 29.
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WheresWaldo
Reidsville is in Rockingham County, about 25 miles north of Greensboro up US 29.
Doc
Doc,
I used to live in Michigan, and took a trip up to Mackinac Island while I was there, seems I recall there was plenty of places to lay the bike down on the Island. I haven't had a kickstand on my bike since I was a little kid. I would listen to some of the other advice given and lay the bike down on the non-derailleur side and not worry about it so much.
Doc
Doc,
I used to live in Michigan, and took a trip up to Mackinac Island while I was there, seems I recall there was plenty of places to lay the bike down on the Island. I haven't had a kickstand on my bike since I was a little kid. I would listen to some of the other advice given and lay the bike down on the non-derailleur side and not worry about it so much.
DocF
There are bike racks and such all over the island except where they are needed the most which right in the town. By 10 AM the entire main street will be lined with bikes which are all equipped with stands as there is no place in town to lay a bike down without having a horse step on it. Get out beyond the Windermere Hotel or the harbor, and there are racks everywhere one might care to leave a bike. It is illegal to lean a bike against a building, fence or hitching post in the town. On a peak summer weekend there might be as many as 5,000 bikes on the island which is why I wish we had intalled one of the two legged stands suitable for tandems before we visted.
On the island, fenders are another essential which I don't like. Picture this: there are almost 1000 horses on the island. That is a lot of fertilizer on the roads. Do you want that wonderful tire mist thrown onto you and your water bottles, etc? I think not. Fenders on on the island and off at the mainland Arnold Line dock.
Doc
On the island, fenders are another essential which I don't like. Picture this: there are almost 1000 horses on the island. That is a lot of fertilizer on the roads. Do you want that wonderful tire mist thrown onto you and your water bottles, etc? I think not. Fenders on on the island and off at the mainland Arnold Line dock.
Doc
vosyer
Well I must do different riding than you all. Rear panniers with 50 pounds and front with 30 and let me tell you just picking it up off the ground is a pain. On many a trip I don't have a decent wall to lein a bike against. (TG,) this is something we will just have disagree on. In my club of a 100 tandems probably 40% of them have kickstands. Of the dozen or so bikes in my garage only two have kickstands on and they are both tandems - nothing is more convenient on a trip than to pull into a store and just put the bike on it's kickstand. Even more important is changing a rear tire with an arai drum or working on a broken chain with panniers on - just think how much easier that is with a kick stand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mrfish
I can now see why you're keen on stands if it's illegal to lean a bike against a wall! Are there significant penalties for disobedience? Parking tickets, wheel clamping, being run out of town tied backwards on a mule?
TandemGeek
Well I must do different riding than you all. Rear panniers with 50 pounds and front with 30 and let me tell you just picking it up off the ground is a pain.
You've hit the nail on the head... If we were in DocF's situation or did self-supported, loaded touring then I suspect the ESGE would be an essential piece of equipment. It is also an essential piece of equipment for adults who ride with small children, on-board with kiddie cranks or when towed behind, and they certainly are perfect for cruisers. However, for fast recreational, sport, or performance riding I don't believe they are necessary.
In my club of a 100 tandems probably 40% of them have kickstands.
Is this the Evergreen Tandem Club of Seattle? If so, I suspect that nearly 90% of the folks in your club who ride year round have mud guards... something commonly seen in the Northwest. Away from the Northwest they are not as common and used primarily by dedicated tourists or folks who routinely ride when the roads are wet who aren't hard core club riders or racers. Us, since we live near Atlanta, Georgia we can get by using SKS Race Blade clip-on mud guards as needed.
Bottom Line: I don't think we disagree... I just think we are using different assumptions about how this particular tandem may be used and imposing our personal view on the 'need' for a kickstand.
You've hit the nail on the head... If we were in DocF's situation or did self-supported, loaded touring then I suspect the ESGE would be an essential piece of equipment. It is also an essential piece of equipment for adults who ride with small children, on-board with kiddie cranks or when towed behind, and they certainly are perfect for cruisers. However, for fast recreational, sport, or performance riding I don't believe they are necessary.
In my club of a 100 tandems probably 40% of them have kickstands.
Is this the Evergreen Tandem Club of Seattle? If so, I suspect that nearly 90% of the folks in your club who ride year round have mud guards... something commonly seen in the Northwest. Away from the Northwest they are not as common and used primarily by dedicated tourists or folks who routinely ride when the roads are wet who aren't hard core club riders or racers. Us, since we live near Atlanta, Georgia we can get by using SKS Race Blade clip-on mud guards as needed.
Bottom Line: I don't think we disagree... I just think we are using different assumptions about how this particular tandem may be used and imposing our personal view on the 'need' for a kickstand.
WheresWaldo
Have you looked at something like this Topeak Flash Stand (http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=&subcategory=&brand=&sku=14015&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=) it would seem to me that this would work well not be as heavy as a kickstand, and could be moved from bike to bike with no difficulty as it is not permanently mounted to the tandem.
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2372ighost
The Topeak stand does not fit the rear BB to support my Rumba, on the front it is squirrely. I wouldn`t consider it if I was loaded on the rear.
zonatandem
Rode Mackinac Island on our Follis tandem about 1975 . . . never wanted to do it again!
While the islands is gorgeous, the bike bike traffic was terrible. People ride where they want, stop anywhere they want, nobody signals and none seem to know the rules of the road.
They figure 'hey, no cars' (except for the fire engine). All the horse traffic/excrement (solid and liquid) made for a 'gotta dodge this stuff and those other bikers' ride! Did two laps on the island and took the ferry to St. Ignace.
At that time do not recall any signs saying we could not lean/park tandem/bike against a building.
Riding in the U.P. and Drummond Island was much more pleasurable!
Pedal on TWOgether!
Rudy and Kay/zonatandem
While the islands is gorgeous, the bike bike traffic was terrible. People ride where they want, stop anywhere they want, nobody signals and none seem to know the rules of the road.
They figure 'hey, no cars' (except for the fire engine). All the horse traffic/excrement (solid and liquid) made for a 'gotta dodge this stuff and those other bikers' ride! Did two laps on the island and took the ferry to St. Ignace.
At that time do not recall any signs saying we could not lean/park tandem/bike against a building.
Riding in the U.P. and Drummond Island was much more pleasurable!
Pedal on TWOgether!
Rudy and Kay/zonatandem
tandemonium
I haven't had any issues with the Coda kick stand. It stays in position on the roughest trails. Parking the bike in our garage is quick and stable.
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