Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Pedal to wheel issue.
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12-22-05, 03:10 AM
Anyone else have this problem where their toe clips can hit the front tire and lock up the wheel. If you extend one crank arm all the way forward and turn the wheel at the right angle, the tire gets stuck in the concave end of my toeclips. It nearly caused me to wreck today and the day before and the previous day and so fourth. Or do I just have ******** toe clips? Oh,and my cranks are 170's
You want 165s... That is if you want to stay with toe clips. Clipless might get rid of it.
Search for pedal overlap or toe overlap for more info.
I have it slightly on my track bike, but only with one pair of shoes and pedals...
i have a good bit of toe overlap(according to come that's what my frame is known for) and i've never hit that right spot, i guess i'm lucky
12-22-05, 05:39 AM
You'll get used to it. It should only happen at low speed since you won't be turning the wheel that far at higher velocity.
12-22-05, 06:51 AM
your bike its not broken LOL... if thats what u mean :P...
If your frame is smaller than a 55 u'll have that problem even using no toeclips pedals... its because track frames are like that...!!!! they are tight!!!!! if u r really annoyed about the problem? get some medication to grow up a few inches or cms... so now ur able to use a 56 or a 58 frame size. Please dont grow up too much because u'll the same problem using a frame size 60 - 62 ok? because your feets are for sure toooooooooooo bigs now....The next solution is cut your toes off... so now ull be using smaller shoes (I like that one)... Oh u wont have nails to cut and no fungus problems... thats cool right?
The next solution is get a new fork... something like a bike from 1910 or so... the wheel will be so far to the front that now u'll have a chooper track bike... (I like this one aswell), always u can take your bike to AMERICAN CHOPPER then the guys can build a nice chrome fork for you using a motorcycle wheel and suspension.....the next option is grab the fork and basicaly kick the fork to the front... and change the fork angle enough to avoid your big feets to kick the front wheel....
The next solution is get an smaller front wheel... a 650 one or mabe a 20 inches wheel from a BMX or even better a 15 inches MB front wheel with disc brakes... the advantage of this is that u'll be able to go off road with the bike to start with, second u'll have disc brakes now so it will be kind'a cool to use the brakes system. Third...your bike will be an aerodinamic TT bike!! thats kind'a cool... an off road aerodicamic TT bike... the future in cycling.. oh u'll get maybe no flats so far in the front wheel at least...
The next solution may involve genetics, and we will get a new super hero maybe... basically u have to go with some mad scientist and ask him to prepare a formula to shrink your feets, well this is better than cut your toes righ?... so u'll be able to use a size 4 or 3 cicling shoes... well the problem u'll have now is that maybe u'll end with 2 antennas in your forehead and now u wont be able to use a normal helmet but u'll be known as the martian track rider or something... u'll be famous... :P
As u can see u have a loooooot of solutions... depends of u know hehehe
get 165s and just deal. I have major toe overlap but you get use to now hitting your tire.
12-22-05, 07:00 AM
You want 165s... That is if you want to stay with toe clips.
Unless you have more than 5mm of toeverlap...
Try being conscious of keeping the toes on your danger foot (for lack of a better term...) pointing upwards when you're turning at slow speeds. It's a little weird at first, but you'll get used to it. My frame/fork combo has a heaping portion of overlap and doing the toes-up thing works well. Also, you can pretty easily time your slow-speed u-turns such that the danger foot is either out of harm's way or you're straightening out the front wheel when there's a chance of contact. If that makes sense...
Alternately, learn to do 180 bunny hops.
12-22-05, 07:08 AM
as a small-frame-rider, i have toverlap on every bike i own. even with 165's. it's what happens when you're short, and unless you switch to 650s, the only solution is to deal with it. changing clips, cleats, shoes, whatever isn't going to solve the problem for people who are just plain short.
i find that i really only hit toverlap problems when i'm turning supertight - usually playing polo. rarely does it happen on the street. once you get a feel for how to avoid it, you will.
12-22-05, 07:28 AM
I've got toe overlap on my cyclocross frame. It's a 54 with 175 cranks. It generally happens when making right angle turns at walking speeds, and I compensate by wiggling the front a little bit to get past.
I should probably goe 170s when I replace the cranks, because I also have had some wicked pedal strikes on that bike.
12-22-05, 08:33 AM
yes. toe overlap sucks, but its not a huge issue. i never turn my bars far enough anyway. i'll forever have it with my giant feet and track geometry
12-22-05, 09:06 AM
Switch to a frame with slacker geometry.
12-22-05, 09:25 AM
Also, you can pretty easily time your slow-speed u-turns such that the danger foot is either out of harm's way or you're straightening out the front wheel when there's a chance of contact. If that makes sense...
That's exactly what I do. It ends up making a a wavy pattern as opposed to a smooth radius turn. It's actually fairly simple to do once you get the hang of it.
Has anyone else ever caught his or her foot on the other side of the wheel, where "the danger foot" is locked into turning in a tight circle for a portion of the rotation? I had it happen a few times as I was getting comfortable with my bent-and-rebent fork but never had anything terrible happen.
(I can't say "danger foot" with a straight face.)
12-22-05, 09:28 AM
If you use toe clips, what size are they?
My friend used to have XL and would always clip his wheel and crash while doing trackstands.
12-22-05, 09:50 AM
toeverlap - nice one chimbly
12-22-05, 09:52 AM
(I can't say "danger foot" with a straight face.)
12-22-05, 11:38 AM
shorter cranks, clipless and a fork with more rake will help get you a couple more millimeters. a thinner tire could help slightly aswell. you could also get a 27" fork and put your 700 on there, i know that should help (assuming you have 700s).
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