I'm not threatened by the movie. I feel threatened by a world that thinks cowboys kissing and copulating is acceptable. IOW, I feel threatened by a society that doesn't feel threatened by the movie.


These are one and the same.

Well, all I can say is that I'm a hetero male and I plan on seeing the movie.

I don't see the big deal. Alexander involved homosexuality. Everyone seems to think that C3P0 is gay. Will and Grace is a big hit. People listen to Linkin Park. Jack Osbourn is in the closet. Everyone loves Ellen Degenerous and Richard Simmons. Why the hate for this movie? What gives?

Well, all I can say is that I'm a hetero male and I plan on seeing the movie.

I don't see the big deal. Alexander involved homosexuality. Everyone seems to think that C3P0 is gay. Will and Grace is a big hit. People listen to Linkin Park. Jack Osbourn is in the closet. Everyone loves Ellen Degenerous and Richard Simmons. Why the hate for this movie? What gives?

Why the hate for this movie? Is it because the main characters are cowboys, the last "real" men? (Gasp! What if they were cyclists??)

I have no problem with people not wanting to see certain movies, but I think anyone who wants to criticize this movie and complain that they don't like what it's about should see it first. It's not just a one-dimensional or stereotypical "gay" movie.

I'm glad you're going to see it, neaolin.

Exactly, an excellent "Gay" movie out of Australia The Sum of Us http://imdb.com/title/tt0111309/ is that way.

Plot sumary: Set in Sydney, Australia. A (heterosexual) father and his gay son are trying to find Ms/Mr Right respectively. The film shows their relationships with one another and the objects of their affection as tradgedy strikes. There is no overt 'message' in the film, just a very natural, entertaining story-telling.

One of the most touching parts of the film was in the backstory when the boys 'Gran' and her life partner were split up and taken to different Rest Homes.

Odd, but this movie was on the IFC channel today. I caught most of it. Well done story. The gay part was integral to the story but by no means ruled the plot. Another Russell Crowe movie I actually liked. That makes two, maybe three now.

msviolin - I re-read the posts and I did not see a lot of hate for it. Some fun pokin maybe, but not much hate. You have to admit, Gay cowboys are the stuff funny is made of. And it just so happens that we were planning to see it on our annual family New year's eve movie, but it is not playing in our area as of yet.

Read the book of Revelations. You say it's changing... and I agree. I have no intention of trying to "keep up.

http://www.contenderministries.org/articles/christianliving/homosexuality.php
Ranger, go to the nearest church and turn in your Christian Card immediatley.... Every knows that the name of the book you reference is Revelation. There is no 's' on the end. Check your bible if you don't believe me ;)

Odd, but this movie was on the IFC channel today. I caught most of it. Well done story. The gay part was integral to the story but by no means ruled the plot. Another Russell Crowe movie I actually liked. That makes two, maybe three now.

Right, and even made for some interesting humor at times... dad's gf finding the magazines. Try to catch it all if you can.

Brokeback Mountain
unlike the rest of you I actually SAW the movie. (I'm a straight woman and my husband is straight.) first off they're not gay cowboys. They tending sheep FOR cryin' out loud! But that is neither here Nor there. If you actually saw this movie, and didn't cry /feel sad at the end you heart is made of stone.









DON'T READ THE REST IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON SEEING THE MOVIE!!!!

you are I'm love with someone for over 20 years and you can't even own up to it,
and your love gets murdered and all you have left his his shirt and a postcard?
how bad does it get! The only decent person was Jack's mom who wisely knew
how her son was and what Ennis meant to him.

Well, all I can say is that I'm a hetero male and I plan on seeing the movie.

I don't see the big deal. Alexander involved homosexuality. Everyone seems to think that C3P0 is gay. Will and Grace is a big hit. People listen to Linkin Park. Jack Osbourn is in the closet. Everyone loves Ellen Degenerous and Richard Simmons. Why the hate for this movie? What gives?

You idiot, C3P0 is a robot!

If you actually saw this movie, and didn't cry /feel sad at the end you heart is made of stone.

I guarantee you 100% I won't cry.
Terminator 2, yes, Bareback mountain, no.

I guarantee you 100% I won't cry.
Terminator 2, yes, Bareback mountain, no.

Aside: The "dialogue" and "acting" in both T2/T3 were among the worst ever realized on film, so naturally they would make an intelligent audience member want to weep (or laugh hard enough to cry). And that's without regard to inherent logical inconsistencies, otherwise implausible and unscientific aspects of the story line. Each to his own taste.

I'm surprised nobody so far has noted the gay herder-on-ranch setting was smartly treated in Even Cowgirls get the Blues (1993?) staring Uma Thurman, Keanu Reeves, Angie Dickinson, Pat Morita, and John Hurt. Some of those actors went on to make other films, so apparently our society wasn't much threatened back then about the subject matter.

As to men (particularly) being uncomfortable about seeing other men interacting in a romantic way, IIRC it's not a "broad psychological cliche" but has been validated by clinical research, tending to show that men who are most violently opposed often display sexual arousal when viewing those scenes. Granted that finding is hard to neatly standardize to the rest of the population in discrete clumps, but there is some basis in research to conclude that men with fragile sexual identities find homosexual depictions personally threatening.

You idiot, C3P0 is a robot!

Just go to google and type in "C3P0 gay" and you will see all the hits. Do your research before you call someone an idiot.

Brokeback Mountain. Seriously, were the producers taking the piss with that title or what?

Bareback, mount'n men, broke butt etc.

You know, the irony in constantly hearing how "gay cowboy" is supposedly an oxymoron is enough to make me laugh (or cry). It's ridiculous because the people who think of cowboys as being these stultifying hetero archetypes that are somehow the examplars of American masculinity can't even seem to recognize when they've been fed on pure artifice, pounded out by the yahoo conformity machine that's been running at full steam in this country since the fifties.

What's a cowboy? The Marlboro Man? Little Joe Cartwright in his skin-tight pants, prancing around the Ponderosa in pancake makeup punctuated by beads of sweat? Charleton Freakin' Heston?

The fact is, until we turned this country into one big ideological game of checkers, people had a fluid sexuality that's clearly demonstrated in any of the serious scholarship on the societies in question, and the simple fact is that cowboys played around, cowboys developed deep relationships, and cowboys fell in love. It's all through the recorded history of the west, and it didn't stop being true because dull-witted simpletons who can't see life as anything but black hats and white hats rewrote history to suit the completely constructed world they built in the fifties.

Woman doctors? Ridiculous!
Black people goin' to white people schools? But they have their own!
Injuns owned land in America? Well, they were just wastin' it, you know.

Gay cowboys? No way, dude, like that's all gross an' stuff!

Men have loved men in the army, in the navy, on Brokeback Mountain, on pirate ships, on football teams, in the FBI, everywhere. Until the whole damn world became "us against them," that was what it meant to be a natural human being, with a sexuality that wasn't tied up in barbed wire. You loved who you loved and dealt with the way you had to do it. That doesn't sound so funny or radical to me.

In crazyland, though, people have been good little citizens and not bothered to actually investigate what the world was like before it became a pseudo-patriotic Disneyland, and so folks believe what the Stalins of American history would have them believe, and accept the tall tales of a sanitized, politically correct (from a right wing vantage) West.

Oh no, boy. No gay cowboys. Them fellas was all hung up on Miss Kitty!

Gimme a break, read a little of the documented oral history (stop snickering) of the period, and grow up. Real men know their history.

I'm beginning to sense from a lot of you that it is perfectly okay for a cowboy to kill 500 people in a two hour time period with a gun that only holds six bullets, but it's sacrilege for him to kiss another boy. Does that about sum it up?

When I was a kid, a real cowboy kissed his horse. Women were icky. And killing 200 guys without a reload made perfect sense in my 7 year old mind. I didn't have to reload when we played cowboys and indians, why should they?

After being weaned on this safe violence and monk like lifestyle of the stars, I was rudely awakened to reality by the first real violence I personally witnessed at age 11. People did bleed. People did get hauled off to the hospital. And they someimes did not come back alive. I am talking about the summer and fall of 1963. That was also when my father explained to me the true relationship of two regulars who would share a motel room every other week or so at the motel my parents managed. I had caught them holding hands poolside. To his credit, he did not refer to them as fags or fairies, but homosexuals. And he did not forbid me from interacting with them.

So I guess my point is this. Our culture seems to think that using a facade of make believe will somehow make or will the undesirable aspects of our reality out of existence. And this is fine maybe for all the 7 year olds out there. But what happens when they grow up from the fool's paradise they were raised in? Without a mechanism to ease them into reality, they often end up as adults with 7 year old mentalities. And when they are faced with the realities, they react as a 7 year old might.

Buncha paranoids.

This movie looks great.

Marge, I saw the movie and and I agree with your assessment; but are sure your husband is a straight woman?


;) Max

whoops! :) see what happens when you don't proof read!

I don't care if hetro's watch the movie. I don't want to watch it and I don't like the gay community pushing it down my throat. Just because they make homo sexual sheep herders heroes doesn’t mean I could care less. I know it exists but why would I want to watch it?

I don't want to watch it and I don't like the gay community pushing it down my throat. Wow! You must live in a tough part of town. Well considering who is pushing, a semi-tough part of town anyway.

yeah--where I live, we get to choose which movies we go to

but seriously, if someone isn't interested--don't go to the film

this silly "outrage" is absurd, people have been hashing on gays/lesbians/other-gendered folks for millenia, now they get some critical acclaim and everyone is up in arms

enough already--find something REAL to complain about and quit worrying about what goes on in the privacy of others' homes

yeah--where I live, we get to choose which movies we go to

but seriously, if someone isn't interested--don't go to the film

this silly "outrage" is absurd, people have been hashing on gays/lesbians/other-gendered folks for millenia, now they get some critical acclaim and everyone is up in arms

enough already--find something REAL to complain about and quit worrying about what goes on in the privacy of others' homes


+1 :D

+2
It's been the 21st Century for a few years now, people need to wake the hell up.

+2
It's been the 21st Century for a few years now, people need to wake the hell up.

Hey! Who's talking? I'm trying to sleep over here.

+2
It's been the 21st Century for a few years now, people need to wake the hell up.

It's been going on since before Christ. I can't believe folks are still ignorant after thousands of years. Sheesh, they need to move on already.

Koffee

Thank you Koffee. Threads like this kinda freak me out sometimes. I'm glad my generation (and my nephew's) is finally taking their head out of the sand.

...And I think you wife is correct.


And I believe you meant *your*.

I can't believe I have to be the ***** correcting a corrector. I don't mind the initial correction but for crying out loud.....don't fcuk up your own post in the process.

Michael

This movie got robbed by the Academy of Motion Pictures (Hollywood sucks, yet again). I haven't watched BBM, but Crash was a horrible movie and it reveals so many things about Hollywood and the political times we live in that Crap won the Best Picture award over the others, and in particular Brokeback Mtn.

jeesh :rolleyes: . . when are christians going to get a sense of humour about homosexuality? God had a son, but no grandchildren.. -gee, I wonder how that happened? Mary Magdeline wasn't woman enough for Jesus, or what?

I despise all that Hollywood buzz, to some extent. I didnt even care to tune in to it last night. Oh god and those shows: Extra, et, the insider...People go crazy on that stuff.

Jon Stewart FLOPPED! LOL

Jon Stewart FLOPPED! LOL

Maybe in your opinion

I loved him, hope he hosts next year too.

Sure, I don't think anyone will do the job Billy Crystal does. But I loved Jon.

I thought he was funny, witty and dam entertaining

Not a fan of Jon Stewart. His humor is too obvious when he scripts it, he just about tells you that he's being sarcastic or mocking hipocricy. Which is weird, because when he isn't scripted he's often razor sharp. Give me Steve Colbert any day!

Oh, and I haven't seen BBM yet, but will probably this weekend.

My wife was invited to the academy awards this year.

Her observations:

The non-acting hollywood people in the balcony and back orchestra seating absolutely loved Stewart and were the only ones consistently laughing. The celebrities up front forced smiles during the times when Stewart made fun of them and the camera was on them. The word on the street was the NE liberal Stewart is not liked by Hollywood elite. Go figure...

She met everyone at the vanity fair party afterward and as you would expect almost all were fake and infatuated with themselves. In their defense, these post award parties are where the groundwork for future movie deals are made, and Reese Witherspoon was obviously more interested in getting $30 million for her next movie than chatting with my wife.

She did chat with Travolta and his wife for about 10-15 minutes, and was pleasantly surprised how normal they are. She was expecting the scientology weirdness of Tom Cruise but they chatted about all kinds of stuff and even got a picture taken with them. Rachel Weiss was the same - very nice.

She said the 2 biggest *******s were Jake Gylenhaal and Heath Ledger - they were pouting about being shut out of individual awards. Go figure...

In other news-It has now been months since the release of "Brokeback Mountain," and the events foretold in the book of Revelation still have not come to pass. Stay tuned...

I really liked him as well. I absolutely loved the fake political commercials. They were brilliant.

Vincent