Living Car Free - How simply do you live?

Dumpster foods are all to often just outdated by the date code.
There is not one thing wrong with them if found daily and cooked
or cooled.

America throws away food when we have starving people here
at home due to crazy laws that once ment well but now just
generate waste by the ton.

To cut our food bill I have an arrangment with the local grocery
to call me if they have food go out of date to buy at MUCH reduced
price. I either store/freeze the foods or deliver them to our local
poor pantry. I often get still sealed lunch meat or other cuts
for pennies on the dollar. The store writes off the loss and the
food stay outta the landfill.

As an example.....
Most states forbid the sharing of all food that resturants don't
sell but was fresh cooked near the end of the day. There is
more than one soup kitchen for the poor that would welcome
this bounty that is now legal "garbage" .

Amrican's are so, so very wasteful. :(:(

In 2004, I packed, sold, tossed, and gave away all my stuff. I got rid of about half of what I owned then ... and I haven't really added to it (a few textbooks and a few articles of clothing).

My remaining stuff has been in storage since then.

I currently live in two small rooms on the weekend, and 1 room during the week ... in two different cities. I will be down to one place again in a month's time.

And, over the next year, I will be working on getting rid of at least half of my remaining stuff. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it all, but I'll figure it out as I go.

Stuff can be very imprisoning, and although it can hurt to let stuff go, it is very freeing.


BTW - about food ... I can feed myself quite well for about $20/week, buying from the grocery store. That's not bad at all. :)

Fun reading through the 17 pages or so. I am in the process of simplifying to my own ideal. My roommate and I are getting to that stage of going our own way and are looking for our own places come fall. I already have a goal of being car free by September, when I would move into my new place, but I want to be as uncluttered as much as possible.

I found a great place in the right location yesterday. Other than a restriction on keeping bikes in the storage/laundry room (out of my apartment) it seems perfect. A small bedroom and a living room/kitchen. I would love to find a good source for the real Japanese style futons and tatami. I love that idea for making the small bedroom as multi-purpose as possible.

I don't get how eating discarded food equates to living simply.

It depends on the definition. "Dumpster diving" is quite popular in some areas. If your particular philosophy of living simply is to reduce materialism, be frugal and resourceful with what is immediately available, then it could be simple living. Different strokes for different folks.

As far as dumpstering food goes, I have personally been doing it since high school and it is now a large part of both my life and my husband's. I have never gotten ill, because I have never gotten lazy with it! you wash what you find and live by the motto: when in doubt, compost it! (not as catchy as when in doubt throw it out, but hey whatever.)

And C Law, living simply has a different meaning for every person, but this is how "dumpster diving" factors in for us: Our grocery bill has dropped dramatically and when food we have goes bad and ends up in the compost, we don't fret over wasted money. Additionally, because most of what we get is produce, our packaging waste is drastically reduced as well. It removes a lot of plastic from the equation. It also essentially eliminates any need to "work out" because we expend calories on the way to pick up calories. Works out really nicely.

Back to living simply: We haven't gotten rid of our car because we have 6 goats, a bunch of hens and 2 large land tortoises. We require the car to move them all when and if they need moving. I actually don't know how to drive (never learned) so my husband drives and I am complicit. That said, I still use my bike + trailer to go get things like goat feed (50 lbs a bag) and hay bales (100 lbs a bale) enthusiastically. If I could haul my goat ladies with my bike I certainly would, but I can't see how that would happen. Fortunately, our vet is within walking distance and I can just walk them there. If anyone has any ideas about ways to transport the livestock I would love to hear them! good to see so many people committed to simplifying their lives.

I don't get how eating discarded food equates to living simply.

Simple living to me means salvaging what other people throw away so that things that have already been made aren't wasted. What's your idea of simple living?

As far as dumpstering food goes, I have personally been doing it since high school and it is now a large part of both my life and my husband's. I have never gotten ill, because I have never gotten lazy with it! you wash what you find and live by the motto: when in doubt, compost it! (not as catchy as when in doubt throw it out, but hey whatever.)

And C Law, living simply has a different meaning for every person, but this is how "dumpster diving" factors in for us: Our grocery bill has dropped dramatically and when food we have goes bad and ends up in the compost, we don't fret over wasted money. Additionally, because most of what we get is produce, our packaging waste is drastically reduced as well. It removes a lot of plastic from the equation. It also essentially eliminates any need to "work out" because we expend calories on the way to pick up calories. Works out really nicely.

Back to living simply: We haven't gotten rid of our car because we have 6 goats, a bunch of hens and 2 large land tortoises. We require the car to move them all when and if they need moving. I actually don't know how to drive (never learned) so my husband drives and I am complicit. That said, I still use my bike + trailer to go get things like goat feed (50 lbs a bag) and hay bales (100 lbs a bale) enthusiastically. If I could haul my goat ladies with my bike I certainly would, but I can't see how that would happen. Fortunately, our vet is within walking distance and I can just walk them there. If anyone has any ideas about ways to transport the livestock I would love to hear them! good to see so many people committed to simplifying their lives.

Welcome to the forum, christina. :)

It sounds like your lifestyle is an interesting mix of agriculture + hunting/gathering. I admire you for jockeying those bales on your bike trailer. What kind of trailer do you have?

As for moving those critters, tie a leash on them and let them trot behind the bike! Just go slow with the tortoises is my only advice. :D That's a joke, but here's a true story. A co-worker asked me how I got my Thanksgiving turkey home on the bike and I told her it ran along behind me. Her jaw dropped--she really believed me. She asked me if I chopped its head off with an axe! But in your case, I suspect it might be true!

:roflmao:

Simple living to me means salvaging what other people throw away so that things that have already been made aren't wasted. What's your idea of simple living?

Welcome to you also, seagull.apollo. :)

I like your user name. Is there a story or a myth that goes with it?

I don't salvage food, wouldn't even know how to do it. But to me it's another way of practicing frugality, which is certainly part of living simply. (Maybe the main part?) When you're frugal, you use less energy attaining physical things, so you have more energy for creativity, spirituality, charity, activism, or whatever you believe is more worthy of your energy.

Or maybe you just spend a lot of time on an internet forum. :D

I don't feel the need to do the dumpster diving thing at this point in my life. My food bills are quite modest. I use the bulk foods store for beans and other dry foods and I try to buy fruits and vegetables in season. At times, I've had a small garden as well. Since I don't eat much meat, I can save a lot of money that way. In fall, I do a fair amount of canning so I'm set for the winter.

If my circumstances were to change dramatically, I'd have no problem with dumpster diving.

To cut our food bill I have an arrangment with the local grocery
to call me if they have food go out of date to buy at MUCH reduced
price. I either store/freeze the foods or deliver them to our local
poor pantry. I often get still sealed lunch meat or other cuts
for pennies on the dollar. The store writes off the loss and the
food stay outta the landfill.
My girlfriend works at a transitional homeless shelter and they get all sorts of expired food from a local specialty/natural grocery (like a smaller, independent Whole Foods). Problem is, a lot of what they donate (DeCecco pasta, Wasa crackers, Nature's Path cereals, ) the shelter's clients won't eat, so she takes it home. Works for me -- that stuff's delicious and expensive.

I was talking about the fresh cooked food that all resturants have
at the end of their business day. THOSE foods ,in my state, must
be dumped. One local resturant used to feed the poor in my small
town one meal (a big one!) a day until the state stopped them.
Seems it's ok to sell food but not give it away. Go figure.........

Welcome to you also, seagull.apollo. :)

I like your user name. Is there a story or a myth that goes with it?

I don't salvage food, wouldn't even know how to do it. But to me it's another way of practicing frugality, which is certainly part of living simply. (Maybe the main part?) When you're frugal, you use less energy attaining physical things, so you have more energy for creativity, spirituality, charity, activism, or whatever you believe is more worthy of your energy.

Or maybe you just spend a lot of time on an internet forum. :D

Apollo as far as Greek gods went was a bit of Renaissance Man and I've always liked the idea of people doing everything themselves. However, I only started researching him after I made the name. The reason I chose this handle is because "seagull.apollo" is really just an abstract of Victoria. You can go for miles around here and see nothing but seagulls and Apollos and seagulls on Apollos.

As far as dumpstering and frugalty goes, exactly. Less spending on food and other goods means less work, and work throughout my life has always been associated with a lack of writing and reading and thinking. If you're tired all the time, or already feel as if you've done your bit for the day then you're less inclined to sit down with pen and paper and more inclined to waste time on the internet.

Simple living to me means salvaging what other people throw away so that things that have already been made aren't wasted. What's your idea of simple living?

I guess I am very spoiled regarding food.

I live and work, with my wife and family, on a fruit orchard in New York. We barter with other local farmers or buy pretty much all our food from local farmers, including meat, etc..

no packaging, except wooden boxes that are reused, jars for canning and preserves which are reused, and plastic bags to freeze the meat we get from slaughtering a cow every year, and to freeze a variety of fruits and vegetables.

Our farm is very much a for profit enterprise though, so we also have money to go buy items at the local grocery. When the need arises, I find purchasing food at the local grocery or market much simpler than rummaging through the refuse. that is just me though.

Simpler in this context for me means less time procuring food. I know you need to work in order produce income to buy the food, but producing income to buy food is the least of my concerns as it is about the most inexpensive item in my budget.

I applaud your effort at reducing packaging waste though. It is crazy. Packaging is out of control.

C Law, I am jealous! I also see how your definition makes sense given your lifestyle and family. Less time procuring food=more time with family/ to do leisure stuff. I guess that is where our definitions of simple living diverge. See, to me, a simpler lifestyle means spending more time on simpler things. Sounds like you have sort of my ideal lifestyle, so stuff like dumpstering would only complicate your life.

Though I know it doesn't sound like it what with my livestock, I actually live in the city. Also I am 20 years old, newly married, and poor, so buying local is infrequently cheap. The demand for local artisan food in Portland has allowed the farmers at the farmers market to charge much more for their produce and I just can't afford it on a barista/mechanic's pay.

Oh and Rudy, I have this leggero brand trailer that my bosses at the bike shop gave me as a wedding gift. look here for an article: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/09/leggero_shopper.php
It folds into an upright shopping cart for the store. I use the frame only when hauling heavy stuff and old bike tubes as "bungee cords". These are never in short supply, as we pay our mortgage by renting out rooms in our house and each person in the house has at least 2 bikes.

My problem is that I'm a drummer/guitar player. So I've got 2 sets of drums, electronic and acoustic. I also have an electric guitar, half stack, etc. Also have recording gear. I have too much stuff...I don't like it, hate it in fact, I'd love to live that much more simply by not having to have so much crap. I like the idea of only using books from the library, sometimes the book you want isn't there, that's annoying.
I don't have a car or credit card. Just don't want to justify buying something with money I don't have with a credit card, that's how almost everyone gets into debt these days...

I admire that some of you guys can live so simply and minimalistic.

Thank you all, this has been quite inspirational. It made me think back to about 35 years ago when I still lived at home about 120 miles from the large city where I now live. I had made arrangements to live in the big city, so I sent on ahead two suitcases of clothes by Greyhound bus, mounted my bicycle with one backpack, and rode out of town to "seek my fortune" in the city. Now I have no fortune, but I do have a house cluttered with an unbelievable amount of stuff, and I wonder how it happened.

I can answer why simple living starts with getting rid of stuff, or being smart enough not to accumulate it in the first place. There have been many times where we have had company, or some event that required cleaning up a bit, perhaps on a weekend, and after it was all over we looked back on that period of time and realize that we spent most of it just moving stuff from one place in our house to another. After realization, and inspiration, perhaps can come some action, and I'll be joining you.

Now I get probably about 3/4 of my food from the trash

yea thats pretty gross.

we certainly are no angels. our cars see far more use than they should, although i am drifting towards pedal powered transportation.

we built own own cabin and live rurally. here's a website i put together, explaining a little about being off-the-grid and so on:

http://coyotecottage.com/

pic is of my bike, a cannondale bought in chamonix, france, in 1988 and biked back to denmark. when i emmigrated to the US it got boxed up and flew with me. it has literally thousands of miles on it.

http://coyotecottage.com/images/bike.jpg

yea thats pretty gross.

How so? I eat food that's no worse than the food that you eat, I simply got it at D-Mart instead of Walmart. Every single person I've ever taken out with me has been appalled at the amount of food that needlessly goes to waste. It's bad, really. You should try going diving one time and then tell me it's gross, instead of telling it to me from behind your computer when you've obviously never been in your life.

i love this thread.

apollo, i'm really interested in dumpster diving. enlighten us all how you go about it. do you just hit grocery store dumpsters after hours? any pointers, tips, things to look out for?

thanks.

No Mold................

i love this thread.

apollo, i'm really interested in dumpster diving. enlighten us all how you go about it. do you just hit grocery store dumpsters after hours? any pointers, tips, things to look out for?

thanks.

Okay, here's how to do it:

1.) Roll in packs. Get a friend or two until you've gone out once or twice. Just makes things easier and less scary if you're in a rough part of town or don't like police.

2.) Hit grocery stores after hours. Big lame chain stores usually have compactors, but those can be worked around (see 4a.) However, just go for your local organic market yuppie store, because they have the best food and the highest quality control.

3.) Scout the area. Look for no trespassing signs or obvious barricades (fences, gates) around the dumpster. It's only trespassing if those are in place (in British Columbia at least). Most of the time cops don't give a **** anyways, unless you're in some small town or happen across a particularly upright member of the constabulary.

4.) Get on up. Wear clothes you don't care about and gumboots or whatever if you've got them. No matter how careful you are you will get dirty (absolutely guaranteed). One person into the dumpster handing out bags to the people on the ground. Watch for guns, needles and other urban myths. People on the ground split the bags, search them for edible food and move them to the 'discard' pile, which will later be thrown back into the dumpster.

4a.) Compact. Most of the time compactors are locked (bad) but when they're not you will get more food than you've ever dreamed could be thrown out (good). You absolutely need a partner for compactor runs, and you can never do them during the day. You can die inside these things so don't be stupid. Same deal as the standard dumpster though, one goes in (you'll need a light; it's dark) and the other one sorts outside).

5.) Clean machine. After you have sorted put everything back in the dumpster that was in it and clean the area up. I'm not trying to be lame here; you need to protect your and everyone else's interests because the store will lock the bin if you make too much of a mess.

6.) Go home, enjoy delicious food that cost nothing and was saved from the landfill.


Stuff to take:

Bad clothes.
Light.
Friend(s).
Knife (seems to come in handy)

Stuff to avoid:

The goddamn meat bag.
Puffed out packages (HELLO FOOD POISONING)
Large lots of highly perishable goods (there's got to be something wrong)

Generally just use your intuition as far as taking things. If it was sitting in your own fridge and you wouldn't eat it then avoid it here too. You'll start out super cautious (no produce, only heavily packaged things) but after a while you'll work your way up the garbage chain (still frozen seafood). What else? I think that's about it. Get in there and get some good food. Every night is like Easter or something.

Oh, and...

No Mold................

GOOD CALL.

If you're not ready for dumpster diving, go to the farmer's market at closing time and make offers on perishable food. A lot of times it won't keep another day, or the vendors just don't want to bother packing it up and taking it back to the farm. This won't be free (usually), but you can find some very good deals.

Another thing to ask for is imperfect produce. I've bought a half bushel of "sauce apples" for a dollar. They had bruises but were fine for cooking or canning. Ask for "windfalls" at farm stands too. These are fruits that fell off the tree. They don't look as good but taste fine. Also go to you-pick farms for cheaper produce.

This thread is awesome, nice to see so many like-minded people.

I'm an EMT. I don't make a whole lot of money. A lot of people I work with are stressed, burning themselves out on overtime, or having to quit because they can't afford to live. Most of these people live in houses in the suburbs, are paying off new cars, have nice TV's, cable, etc. Very few are actually trying to support a family, pay medical bills, or take care of unavoidable expenses like that.

I found a studio downtown, free WiFi is included in the rent. My friends come over and are amazed to see a single desk with my computer, a futon, a cat apartment, and my fridge in the living room. Not much else. I don't own a car or a TV, thrift store shop almost exclusively on the rare occasion when I buy clothes or housewares, I'm a vegetarian although dairy products and eggs are rare splurges for me, I use Freecycle, and I reuse as much as I can as far as packaging or repurposing items. (I recycle too, but I don't have recycling at my building so it's an extra trip so I try to avoid buying or keeping things I'll have to drag to the recycling center later.)

It's easy to keep my house clean when I don't have a lot of things. Living within my means makes it possible for me to go on vacation when I need it (on my bike, of course!), go out with friends without worrying about my bank account, and spend money when I need to, like on a more reliable bike.

hey apollo! thanks for the tips. this is exactly the kind of starter guide i was looking for. i'm gathering friends for my first dumpster dive. i've got a trader joe's and a whole foods scoped out. i'll let you know how it turns out.

People act like dumpster diving is all about getting hepatitis from eating half-eaten Big Macs -it's not. Grocery stores throw away a lot of food. Also, depending on who you ask, it's no less ridiculous or unseemly for an adult to ride a bicycle everywhere he goes.

Hands down my favorite forum and thread on the bikeforums... Even if I am mostly a lurker lol! :)

-Grant

My friend gets tons of produce for his tortoises. He went to a local produce stand. He asked if they had any stuff they were throwing out. He came back out with three boxes of lettuce all different kinds. A huge flat of Mushrooms and a bag of fruit. HE paid nothing. And the tortoises got a very healthy week of food.

Hands down my favorite forum and thread on the bikeforums... Even if I am mostly a lurker lol! :)

-Grant


+1:D

Interesting thread - my fiancee & I have long been talking about how we have far too much stuff, now we are motivated to do something about it. I would love to go car-free one day, but it's a bit more difficult in the Midwest than along the Northeast Corridor (when you're surrounded by farmland, they just keep building out.) Plus, my fitness level needs to come up quite a bit before that's viable ;) .

As far as dumpster diving - I don't do it personally (I'm a bit of a "germ freak"), but I used to have a job delivering to grocery stores. When a product is expired, the store usually pulls it off the shelves and puts it in the "back room" to be returned to the delivery man / distributor for a partial credit. 99% of the time, the delivery man just needs a count of the items, or the UPC code - often, they will just tear off the UPC code and chuck the items in the store's dumpster. I used to see quite a few people dumpster diving (often with the manager's blessing) and it wasn't unusual for them to pull out loads of canned goods, prepackaged coffee cakes/donuts, bread, etc. that were just one day past the expiration date - the cans/boxes were still sealed, just the UPC code was missing. Unless the manufacturer's have found a way to make the food magically turn rancid on midnight of the expiration date, that stuff is perfectly edible if the packaging isn't compromised. Meat & produce are a bit trickier, but I know people who've done it - one tip is to look for large bags of produce (it's not unusual to find a whole large bag of oranges/apples/onions/potatoes/etc. that was thrown out because just one of them got squished). It's not for me, but I do agree that this country wastes a ton of food that could easily go to people who need it...

let's see....I'm vegan and I don't drink or smoke. I have a lot of crap that I don't need right now, however. This post has inspired me so I'm probably going to go home and get rid of a lot of it. I recently cleaned out my closet and I'm down to two pairs of pants and a few shirts. I'm still working on going car-free, I'm not yet at the fitness level to ride 16 miles out to the barn every day.

and all of my food comes out of dumpsters. if I can't eat it it goes to the food not bombs my friends and i run.

Well, this thread is certainly a hit to my superiority complex. I'm supposed to be the one who lives with less than everyone else, dammit! (okay, I need to work on the serenity thing just a little bit...)

Everything I own can fit into a small studio apartment, but just barely. Most of what I own was found when students at local colleges decided to toss away perfectly good stuff. I rummage through the trash, load the best stuff up and take most of it to donate to the Lupus foundation. A few things I keep for myself in exchange for the effort. However, even if I don't use something regularly I tend to keep it around, so I get a good bit of clutter including an overly full closet and a ton of books.

It's really good to see that other people do better than I do, and somewhat inspiring.

I own clothes, a few bikes, camping equipment, skis, bed, chair, kitchen stuff, laptop, projector (for dvds), a guitar, tools, and that's about it. I just rent furnished flats, or borrow excess furniture from my family.

I have a passion for adventure, travel, languages, and have a ton of hobbies, so 10 years ago when i graduated from Uni i decided to work a year, take a year off, work a year, take year off... at the expense of buying a nice house, kids, car, and lots of stuff.

I've had an incredible time but i always feel like i'm fighting the expectations of society that view me as an underachiever. But I always tell myself that if i were to die tomorrow, i'd be much happier than if i had climbed the corporate ladder.

this post really spoke to me, having taken the corporate ladder route and did the house and car, not the kids yet. I'm now 30 and these things in the end did not make me happy and looking back, it was all meaningless.

i have now sold my house, living "home-free" for almost a year and soon to be car-free. sold most my possessions or gave them away, i still have my corporate job which pays well over 6 figures. but without home, car and possessions, just a bike, clothes and a laptop/cell and corporate gym membership for hot showers, my expenses are under 20.00 a day, mainly for food. i feel free, out of the rat race and also not have huge chunks of my earnings go out to bills. I plan to just save and maybe just retire in 5 to 10 years, travel the world, hardest part is leaving such a high paying job. it is my current dilemma. i dont know if i will be able to do it when the time comes and it is the last "trap" i feel i am a slave to.

amazing thread by the way.

im 16 and my dream is to live this way: out of a backpack. it might sound kind of dorky, but right now, in my english class, we're reading "into the wild" and it is just so inspiring, the way a 19 year old just hitchhikes around the US for about 2 years. i really hope that after college, i will have the ability to live like this.

im 16 and my dream is to live this way: out of a backpack. it might sound kind of dorky, but right now, in my english class, we're reading "into the wild" and it is just so inspiring, the way a 19 year old just hitchhikes around the US for about 2 years. i really hope that after college, i will have the ability to live like this.
My knowledge is way out of date, but I think college is an excellent opportunity to travel light and live simply. The main thing is to avoid supporting a car. Hit the books hard, find entertainment on campus, keep expenses as low as possible. Look for opportunities to enroll in summer sessions at other colleges or participate in summer academic programs. Hang around the lesser known departments which are always trying to recruit new majors, they may be able to scare up some funding if they like you. Travel. Bike around. Write.

im 16 and my dream is to live this way: out of a backpack. it might sound kind of dorky, but right now, in my english class, we're reading "into the wild" and it is just so inspiring, the way a 19 year old just hitchhikes around the US for about 2 years. i really hope that after college, i will have the ability to live like this.

I hitchhiked all over the US and a little in Europe while I was still a teenager. It was awesome!

However, that was 35 years ago. Nowadays, people are very reluctant to pick up hitchhikers. You might be better off traveling on a bike rather than hitchhiking. Just a suggestion.

Another suggestion is not to wait until after college. Take your summers off, or even a whole year off, and do some travelling before then. You'll probably get more out of college if you have some traveling under your belt.

Well let's see, back in 1999 I moved to my 20 acres in south-central Kentucky. I'm not connected to any public utilities, I heat and cook with wood, grow alot of my own food and ride either my mountain bike or the recumbent trike that I built myself for my transportation. Life's good when it's kept simple! If I can figure out how to post pics of my trike I'll do it.

Well let's see, back in 1999 I moved to my 20 acres in south-central Kentucky. I'm not connected to any public utilities, I heat and cook with wood, grow alot of my own food and ride either my mountain bike or the recumbent trike that I built myself for my transportation. Life's good when it's kept simple! If I can figure out how to post pics of my trike I'll do it.

Go to http://photobucket.com/ and sign up for a free account. Then we can talk you through the process of posting pics.

I hitchhiked all over the US and a little in Europe while I was still a teenager. It was awesome!

However, that was 35 years ago. Nowadays, people are very reluctant to pick up hitchhikers. You might be better off traveling on a bike rather than hitchhiking. Just a suggestion.

Another suggestion is not to wait until after college. Take your summers off, or even a whole year off, and do some travelling before then. You'll probably get more out of college if you have some traveling under your belt.
One way to travel that's safe and feasible for a 16 year old is to spend a summer elsewhere with relatives. They might be able to help find a summer job, too. Nothing for parents to worry about, little if any cost for traveling, guaranteed comfortable accommodations, gets you out of the house. Be sure to take your bike!

OK, time for my story.

I live in a two bedroom apartment with two other people (a friend from college and his girlfriend), which works out to just a little over $210 per month each in rent (before utilities, of course, which works out to maybe another $35-$50 per month each if it's not winter). Not bad for being in a safe neighborhood that's 15 minutes away by bike from downtown Chicago. I have either built my furniture or scrounged it up from the basements of my relatives. I don't own or drive a car. I haven't purchased a drop of gasoline in maybe seven months, and I spent less than $100 on gas in 2007. I try not to ride the "El" of the bus, but I usually do maybe once a week ($2 per ride). I work as an administrative assistant at a nonprofit organization based out of the University of Chicago; it is not a good job (lots of silly intra-office drama and patronage, pay is crap), but it does provide health insurance and I'd rather do this than work anywhere in Corporate America. And I've only been out of university for 1.5 years, so I can always go back to grad school or something. While I'm not opposed to dumpster diving, it is something I only do rarely, and mainly just for bread and stuff like that. I spend maybe $10-$15 on food per day, and maybe around $70 per week on entertainment (going to the bar, concerts, etc.). I have a crappy 25-year-old TV with rabbit ears just to watch PBS and The Simpsons. Not too many major possessions: a 2004 Fender Stratocaster, a late-'90s Seagull "Coastline Series" Dreadnought acoustic guitar, a few computers, an old Technics turntable and records, a few bikes, lots and lots of books, and that's about all.

I'm pretty happy with my simple lifestyle, though my family sometimes thinks I'm insane for avoiding the "brass ring" like the plague. Soon I will partially parlay my savings into German language classes in preparation for another long trip to Europe (it will be my second since finishing school) and perhaps moving to Germany to teach English. Or maybe I will do Peace Corps... I don't know yet... :)

I cannot live without books. ($1)
I also cannot live without wine.
I refuse to live without medjool dates.
Life without many varieties of quality cheese from around the world is meaningless.

I guess I don't live as simply as it might appear...

"Life without many varieties of quality cheese from around the world is meaningless."

Hahaha FTW + 1,000

-Grant

I cannot live without books. ($1)
I also cannot live without wine.
I refuse to live without medjool dates.
Life without many varieties of quality cheese from around the world is meaningless.

I guess I don't live as simply as it might appear...
:thumb:
I agree with this short list of absolute necessities but must add:
Music.
Bread.
Tools. All kinds from mechanic to carpentry to sewing to cooking. I can't imagine a life without a knife or in my case one for every use.:o

I notice most of these living simply are youngsters or single people. It would be interesting to revisit them in 20yrs when families, long term relationships, etc have kicked in and see how many many possessions/responsibilites are tying them down.

Jim

I notice most of these living simply are youngsters or single people. It would be interesting to revisit them in 20yrs when families, long term relationships, etc have kicked in and see how many many possessions/responsibilites are tying them down.


Or they may be still enjoying the simple life of minimal possessions and minimal responsibilities!

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Or they may be still enjoying the simple life of minimal possessions and minimal responsibilities!
Good for them if they are. But getting kids and partners on the same wavelength is not so simple. I'm not convinced. I'm slowly getting rid of a lot of stuff but I am the only one in the household doing this.

Jim.

I notice most of these living simply are youngsters or single people. It would be interesting to revisit them in 20yrs when families, long term relationships, etc have kicked in and see how many many possessions/responsibilites are tying them down.

Jim

That assumes that they will choose to have families and/or long term relationships. Personally, I have no intentions of ever having children, and I refuse to be in a relationship with someone who can't accept my lifestyle. Pretty simple, really.

I cannot live without books. ($1)
I also cannot live without wine.
I refuse to live without medjool dates.
Life without many varieties of quality cheese from around the world is meaningless.

I guess I don't live as simply as it might appear...

I get most books from the public library, and only buy the ones that I want to keep and reread over the years.

I love imported (and some domestic) cheeses too. I limit quantities both because of the price and because of the calories. Great cheese can be enjoyed in small quantities for not much money. I will buy 4 ounces of Parmigiano or Gruyere for around 3 or 4 bucks and make it last a week or so. One ounce of fine cheese tastes great with a couple dates or other fruit, as a snack or dessert.

Good for them if they are. But getting kids and partners on the same wavelength is not so simple. I'm not convinced. I'm slowly getting rid of a lot of stuff but I am the only one in the household doing this.

Jim.

You're talking about relationships, which are always complex, even for somebody leading a simple life. I'm trying to learn that my life can be simple even if I can't force (and really shouldn't try to force) my loved ones to do the same.

So much of it is mental--discovering that things don't really make me happy, and getting others to do what I want doesn't really make me happy either.