Advocacy & Safety - Advocating non-impotence

With all the hoopla associated with cycling and impotence, it's interesting to note that inability to maintain an erection is often associated with heart attacks. The most common causes of impotence are arteriosclerosis and diabetes, both of which are associated with poor diet and lack of exercise.

So if anyone ever tries to tell you your bicycle will give you impotence, tell them your bicycle will help prevent it. (Remember, we're all in this together--I'm pulling for ya.)

:D

That's consistent with articles I've read that assert the impotence rate among cyclists is no greater than for the population as a whole. Combine that with the number of cyclists riding with bad posture on badly shaped saddles on ill-fitting bikes ...

Does anyone know if there is any data in regard to infertility (not impotence) and cycling?
Al

I don’t know about all of the hype. I've even heard that ED affects 10-30 % of American men and a huge part of it is psychological.

Not to be overly insensitive, but if you get a stiffy at night, but have troubles when in comes down to it, perhaps you should stop swilling before your 16th beer.

Only ass-hatchets squash the G-spot. Get on a recumbent and save your taint.

http://www.poweroncycling.com/images/POC%20TSHIRT.JPG

So if anyone ever tries to tell you your bicycle will give you impotence, tell them your bicycle will help prevent it.
I tell 'em they should be more worried about the guys who drive compensation vehicles.....

Only ass-hatchets squash the G-spot. Get on a recumbent and save your taint.

I don't know what the recumbent crowd is even talking about. I have never had any discomfort riding a normal saddle, even if I'm wearing jeans and going 20 or more miles at a stretch. I've never been in the saddle for more than 2.5 hours at a time, but those times were before I had any cycling clothing, I was just wearing street stuff.

I wonder whether the recumbent guys who are always going on about how horrible diamond frames are ever had a properly fit saddle, adjusted correctly.

I don't know what the recumbent crowd is even talking about. I have never had any discomfort riding a normal saddle, even if I'm wearing jeans and going 20 or more miles at a stretch. I've never been in the saddle for more than 2.5 hours at a time, but those times were before I had any cycling clothing, I was just wearing street stuff.

I wonder whether the recumbent guys who are always going on about how horrible diamond frames are ever had a properly fit saddle, adjusted correctly.

I sure did, but after many many years and miles on that blasted thing, I got wise.
To be honest, the saddle was not uncomfortable when I was younger, but after so long, those pressure points get tired.

Of course I ride century's all the time. It was always after about 4 hours that the seat became a pain.
Now I can be comfortable till the very end, even if that is 10 hours.

I wonder whether the recumbent guys who are always going on about how horrible diamond frames are ever had a properly fit saddle, adjusted correctly.
Not everyone is made the same. I've found comfortable saddles, but there is no way to negate the fact that there is pressure being applied to a relatively small area.

Nevertheless, discomfort with diamond frame bikes isn't the best or only reason to get a recumbent. Recumbents are fun and there are so many different kinds you'll never get tired of trying them all. Unless you just don't like them, which is fine, too. Chipcom doesn't like them, but at least he tried them.

With all the hoopla associated with cycling and impotence, it's interesting to note that inability to maintain an erection is often associated with heart attacks. The most common causes of impotence are arteriosclerosis and diabetes, both of which are associated with poor diet and lack of exercise.

So if anyone ever tries to tell you your bicycle will give you impotence, tell them your bicycle will help prevent it. (Remember, we're all in this together--I'm pulling for ya.)

:D

I just tell em that you ain't supposed be be sitting on your johnson. ;)

(I'll pass on the pulling, but thanks for the thought)

I sure did, but after many many years and miles on that blasted thing, I got wise.
To be honest, the saddle was not uncomfortable when I was younger, but after so long, those pressure points get tired.

Of course I ride century's all the time. It was always after about 4 hours that the seat became a pain.
Now I can be comfortable till the very end, even if that is 10 hours.

Well, humans are all unique, some of us are built to straddle a saddle, others are built to sit in a seat. ;)

Not everyone is made the same. I've found comfortable saddles, but there is no way to negate the fact that there is pressure being applied to a relatively small area.

Nevertheless, discomfort with diamond frame bikes isn't the best or only reason to get a recumbent. Recumbents are fun and there are so many different kinds you'll never get tired of trying them all. Unless you just don't like them, which is fine, too. Chipcom doesn't like them, but at least he tried them.

I never said they weren't fun...just for me an upright is more fun. I always preferred riding my horses rather than sitting in a buggy too...no offense, but to me a bent was more like being in a sulky than astride in the saddle.

With all the hoopla associated with cycling and impotence ...

All WHAT hoopla? This is very old news, which resurfaces periodically, only to be disproven and discredited repeatedly. Sitting on a conventional bicycle seat adversely affects SOME men SOME of the time, and one can minimize the damage through proper saddle selection and proper bike set-up (this includes everything from handlebar height to stem reach to saddle tilt and fore-aft adjustment). Sheldon Brown has a good article on this.

I have experienced perineal discomfort with only one bicycle seat I have owned, a narrow padded Marin. Back when men were men, bikes had friction shifters, and saddles were tensioned leather affairs, no one complained about impotence. Indexed shifting obviously causes impotence. :)

I sure did, but after many many years and miles on that blasted thing, I got wise.
To be honest, the saddle was not uncomfortable when I was younger, but after so long, those pressure points get tired.

Of course I ride century's all the time. It was always after about 4 hours that the seat became a pain.
Now I can be comfortable till the very end, even if that is 10 hours.

How many miles does it take?? I ride at least one century a month and have moved up to 200K brevets. This effect of sore rear, loss of feeling, and/or numbness where man wants no numbness is unknown to me. Of course, the saddle I straddle is a Brooks...

... This effect of sore rear, loss of feeling, and/or numbness where man wants no numbness is unknown to me. Of course, the saddle I straddle is a Brooks...

Yup, that's the secret many of us discovered long ago.

Not everyone is made the same. I've found comfortable saddles, but there is no way to negate the fact that there is pressure being applied to a relatively small area.

Raising the handlebars up near the height of the saddle does this pretty well.

Only ass-hatchets squash the G-spot. Get on a recumbent and save your taint.


Yeah, cuz chics really dig guys that look like this. This guy makes the 40 yr. old virgin's original bike look cool.

http://www.manytracks.com/Recumbent/images/Holmstrandbike.jpg

Don't I look cute on mine? (See my avatar.)

Unfortunately, you can't climb a 20% grade or jump stuff on a recumbent...

Unfortunately, you can't climb a 20% grade or jump stuff on a recumbent...
I'll grant you the jump stuff part (although I've gotten some air over bumps) but I can climb almost anything on my recumbent. I can go 0 miles an hour up a hill if I want, or any tiny increment over that. I can also whip around a corner and get it up on 2 wheels. A diamond frame and a two wheel recumbent can't do that because they only have 2 wheels.

By perpetuating negative sterotypes about recumbents you're shutting yourself off from experiencing something new and fun. There's no reason you can't ride as many kinds of bicycle and tricycle as you want. I do. I have 3 kinds right now. Maybe someday I'll get an off-road delta trike with a differential so that both rear wheels are drive wheels.

I thought ED stood for (campy)ERGO disfunction. I have been riding a long time and the plumbing still works. As mentioned before though the right saddle is the key to longevity . That goes for bicycles too.

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With all the hoopla associated with cycling and impotence, it's interesting to note that inability to maintain an erection is often associated with heart attacks. The most common causes of impotence are arteriosclerosis and diabetes, both of which are associated with poor diet and lack of exercise.

So if anyone ever tries to tell you your bicycle will give you impotence, tell them your bicycle will help prevent it. (Remember, we're all in this together--I'm pulling for ya.)

:D

Is that Type II diabetes, or Type I diabetes?

I tell 'em they should be more worried about the guys who drive compensation vehicles.....

I tell 'em they're full of it, to spare me the lame assed excuses, grow some balls and get on a bike. :D

Wow, that's some pretty harsh bashing on recumbents going on here! It's bad enough that there's a mobility war of attrition going on, with cagers trying to run bikes off the road and even killing riders, but must riders run other riders off because the bike has a radical design? Or even a traditional design? That's ****ed up, people! :mad: A house devided will not stand.
Personally, I think bents are pretty sleek, like a chopper without the noisy engine, and not dorky at all. Sure there's some disadvantages, but that goes for either design. Mount your chosen steed and enjoy it for what it is.

Sorry for the hijack...

Nevertheless, discomfort with diamond frame bikes isn't the best or only reason to get a recumbent. Recumbents are fun and there are so many different kinds you'll never get tired of trying them all. Unless you just don't like them, which is fine, too. Chipcom doesn't like them, but at least he tried them.

I'm vaguely interested in recumbents, but I want one where I can still see over the top of most traffic. I haven't seen one with a periscope yet.

Also the roads I ride on are very rough; typically washboarded gravel, bridges that should have been rebuilt decades ago (really, literally, nothing but patches, no original road left). Over parts of my ride, I slow down a lot and do a lot of emergency steering to whip several feet to one side and another to avoid horrendous series of washboarded holes that seem to alternate positions on the road.

Sometimes it's entirely impossible to miss the holes; then I want to go up on legs so they can take the shock rather than my body.

Seems like for that I really want a high center of gravity. Having never ridden a recumbent, I can't say for sure but it seems like if they were good at fast manuvering you'd see them on the off-road trails.

With all the hoopla associated with cycling and impotence, it's interesting to note that inability to maintain an erection is often associated with heart attacks. The most common causes of impotence are arteriosclerosis and diabetes, both of which are associated with poor diet and lack of exercise.

So if anyone ever tries to tell you your bicycle will give you impotence, tell them your bicycle will help prevent it. (Remember, we're all in this together--I'm pulling for ya.)

:D

I thought it was the Meds that they were taking for the above mentioned ailments (and others) that caused the problem.

Joe
:beer:

I thought it was the Meds that they were taking for the above mentioned ailments (and others) that caused the problem.

Joe
:beer:

The diabetics that get ED are mostly Type I, which hits no matter what shape a person is in. The four people in my family that got it were all slim and in shape. From a young age, when they are running all over like crazy, the doctors start watching for nerve and circulation problems in the lower body. If Diabetes Type I hits at least two generations in a family, doctors expect it to then only skip at most one generation, although they still say there's no "proof" that it's genetic.

I'm vaguely interested in recumbents, but I want one where I can still see over the top of most traffic. I haven't seen one with a periscope yet.

Also the roads I ride on are very rough; typically washboarded gravel, bridges that should have been rebuilt decades ago (really, literally, nothing but patches, no original road left). Over parts of my ride, I slow down a lot and do a lot of emergency steering to whip several feet to one side and another to avoid horrendous series of washboarded holes that seem to alternate positions on the road.

Sometimes it's entirely impossible to miss the holes; then I want to go up on legs so they can take the shock rather than my body.

Seems like for that I really want a high center of gravity. Having never ridden a recumbent, I can't say for sure but it seems like if they were good at fast manuvering you'd see them on the off-road trails.
They've come out now with dual 26" wheel recumbents. They are pretty high. Mostly they are for fast road biking, but there is at least one model by RANS that has knobby tires and looks like it would be good for moderate off-road riding.

Probably why you don't see many on off-road trails is they aren't the best configuration for off-road riding because you rely more on steering than throwing your weight around, and they aren't cheap.

Unfortunately, you can't climb a 20% grade or jump stuff on a recumbent...

True you can't jump stuff, but I've climbed Sonora Pass many times on my recumbent, without stopping or walking. In fact I've pulled off both sides of Sonora Pass in about 5 hours. Wish I could post my HAC4 profile for that ride.

http://www.chainreactionbicycles.com/images/26percentgrade.jpg

On impotence, I'de think the most obvious sufferers drive SUVs and hummers.
They're not called overcompensators and penismobiles for nothing. :D

So if anyone ever tries to tell you your bicycle will give you impotence, tell them your bicycle will help prevent it. (Remember, we're all in this together--I'm pulling for ya.)

:D


I just tell em that you ain't supposed be be sitting on your johnson. ;)

(I'll pass on the pulling, but thanks for the thought)

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On impotence, I'de think the most obvious sufferers drive SUVs and hummers.
They're not called overcompensators and penismobiles for nothing. :D
Then again, there are those who obsess on speculating on the "size" of others deemed less worthy and their own allegedly superior status.

Grow up and think up another set of psycho babble buzz words.

I know that recumbents where the fastest growing bike segment last year. From .5 to 1 % of the bike market. Around here the recumbents are very poplular on the rails to trails among the 50+ folks. One shop on the trail, sold 300 last year! A friend rides one because of his hems. I think that they are cool, but like my upright just fine.

I think something that might hold sales back on recumbents is the difficulty in transporting-- carriers and ability of the users to lift the things.

Seems like the recumbenteers are agreeing that the upright seats cause significant vascular issues.

Seems like the recumbenteers are agreeing that the upright seats cause significant vascular issues.

Seat being the key word. The upright was not designed to have one's okole planted squarely on it, but rather to have it's saddle straddled as only one of three points designed to equally distribute and support the rider's weight. Usually when too much pressure is on your nether regions, it's a sign that you either have too much weight forward on the bars or that your legs are not supporting enough of your weight. At least that's my non-expert opinion. :)

Seat being the key word. The upright was not designed to have one's okole planted squarely on it, but rather to have it's saddle straddled as only one of three points designed to equally distribute and support the rider's weight. Usually when too much pressure is on your nether regions, it's a sign that you either have too much weight forward on the bars or that your legs are not supporting enough of your weight. At least that's my non-expert opinion. :)
Or let's be honest here, for some people it could also be a sign of simply too much weight period.

On the positive side, I've met many folks who got recumbents and lost hundreds of pounds, improved their health, and had fun doing it.

Then again, there are those who obsess on speculating on the "size" of others deemed less worthy and their own allegedly superior status.

Grow up and think up another set of psycho babble buzz words.

Yeah. Big isn't necessarily better. That's why they came up with the tiny h3, for the normal sized / large guys. I'd imagine that the guys driving multi-disk combines in the Midwest have teeny tiny sowers. In a marketised, zombie voice, " I want a big car to spend hours in each day... I want a big car to spend hours in each day"

I'd venture to say that the Bummer drivers are more likely to suffer from the Diebetic or psycological causes of ED, then the recumbent pilots-- but then you'd have to ask the "lil heffers" if that is true.

Or let's be honest here, for some people it could also be a sign of simply too much weight period.

On the positive side, I've met many folks who got recumbents and lost hundreds of pounds, improved their health, and had fun doing it.

Overweight people? In the U S of A? Noooooooo, it just can't be!

Actually, I saw an article recently that stated that we are no longer the most overweight county, that honor now goes to some European countries, Germany being one of them I believe.

I think one of the most positive contributions 'bents have had on cycling is that they have provided another option for people to ride a bike who might not ride an upright otherwise, for whatever reasons.

Yeah. Big isn't necessarily better. That's why they came up with the tiny h3, for the normal sized / large guys. I'd imagine that the guys driving multi-disk combines in the Midwest have teeny tiny sowers. In a marketised, zombie voice, " I want a big car to spend hours in each day... I want a big car to spend hours in each day"

I'd venture to say that the Bummer drivers are more likely to suffer from the Diebetic or psycological causes of ED, then the recumbent pilots-- but then you'd have to ask the "lil heffers" if that is true.

I'd venture to say that there are a great many people who drive SUVs, hummers, whatever, who don't even ride bicycles, who are in better physical condition that either you or I. In fact, I can probably introduce you to some of them if you'd like...they love showing off them olympic medals, trophies and such.

Once I switched to the Brooks Pro, I never had any issues with saddles again. That's a much better alternative to a recumbent.

Then again, there are those who obsess on speculating on the "size" of others deemed less worthy and their own allegedly superior status.

Grow up and think up another set of psycho babble buzz words.
Cool, I got flamed by ILTB. I feel so friggin' honored... I'm somebody now! :p :lol:

Dude, it was a joke. Not a very good one I admit, and my sense of humor gets pretty damn weird. It's not worth blowing a fuse over. If you can be a hothead, then I'm allowed to be a wiseacre. Get used to it.
If you want psychobabble, then talk to your old sparring partner, Mr. Helmet.

PS: Crack a smile sometime, ya knucklehead you. I promise it won't hurt.

I'd venture to say that there are a great many people who drive SUVs, hummers, whatever, who don't even ride bicycles, who are in better physical condition that either you or I. In fact, I can probably introduce you to some of them if you'd like...they love showing off them olympic medals, trophies and such.

Hey I once was a camel smoker that was in better shape (in some ways) than I am now. At one point, long before I found the Bike Forums, I thought that the Hummers where cool and wanted one. Forget the big tax breaks, forget the fact that I'd be safer if I hit a lighter vehicle, I just thought that they where cool, powerful go anywhere kinda vehicles. If I had to go across some (non-war zone) 5k mile dessert, I'd probably pick something like that or the Land Rover. But now I have a totally different perspective. In my city the people who buy, I should say bought since Hummers are now passé, where likely picking between gem stones or a nice car for their wife.

There was the short, but physically strong owner of a Trizilla, a bike selling triathlete store. He bought a hummer for him and his gym-owning wife. I guess they could right them off. I know another gym owner who has a Hummer. All 3 are pasted with custom stickers and the name of the stores. Then there was the war and those hummers started to appear as less then the image that had been created. There was the fact that every time I saw a hummer in the business area near my home, it was driven by a middle aged mother, who was having difficulties seeing over the wheel and maneuvering through a wide, pedestrian-filled intersection.

So yeah there are some healthy people driving Hummers, I am not fool enough to believe my own rhetoric, but I am not falling for the other rhetoric either.

http://www.thirdwave-websites.com/bike/hummer_vs_recumbent.jpg
Here is a recumbent Hummer:
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/gage/Hummer%20010.jpg
http://www.grinningplanet.com/2004/04-20/hummer-fuel-copyright1.gif

Cool, I got flamed by ILTB. I feel so friggin' honored... I'm somebody now! :p :lol:

Dude, it was a joke. Not a very good one I admit, and my sense of humor gets pretty damn weird.
Oh you were joking? OK that explains why those dopey stereotypes and put-down generalizations sounded so stupid.

What's with the references to fantasy movies and songs in your signature? More jokes?

Oh you were joking? OK that explains why those dopey stereotypes and put-down generalizations sounded so stupid.
I've been flamed at by hotter dogs than you. It's like rain; I just let it roll off my back. You're not getting a flameoff from me, so knock yerself out trying. I'll either ignore you or laugh at you, at my leisure. No charbroiled hippie here, bud. :) With all the roadraging you do, maybe you're taking the wrong machine to work.


What's with the references to fantasy movies and songs in your signature? More jokes?
Nope. It's all revelant to the damage caused, directly or indirectly to the out of control car culture. You may not think so, but ehh, that's your problem.

Smile. Yer on Psycho Camera. :D

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I do think it is important to point out on a bicycle advocacy forum that idiosyncratic rants of the counter culture "cager" bashers, self-styled smash the state (with bicycles) velo-revolutionaries, pompous VC™ fear mongers, and seemingly extra-terrestrial legal interpreters won't do much for promoting bicycling among the public, or increase public appreciation of those who do ride bicycles. Call that flaming if you like. I describe it as calling a bloomin' spade a bloomin' spade.

So yeah there are some healthy people driving Hummers, I am not fool enough to believe my own rhetoric, but I am not falling for the other rhetoric either.


Good, cuz personally I HATE freakin hummers! If I wanted something that big I'd just get me an old Peterbuilt!

I describe it as calling a bloomin' spade a bloomin' spade.
But you come on like bloomin' sandpaper, and that's the problem. Who havn't you flamed and insulted, dude?
Saying that you come off as having an abrasive personality don't sound too far off the mark.

Oh, you're probably a cool dude in person... but online, you're Mr. Verbal Abuse. Can't debate anything sans the constant personal attacks? That's sure the way it seems. Try blowing off the steam in a more constructive way, like build a bike or something.

Not an "oil boy",
2wheeledsoul

I do think it is important to point out on a bicycle advocacy forum that idiosyncratic rants of the counter culture "cager" bashers, self-styled smash the state (with bicycles) velo-revolutionaries, pompous VC™ fear mongers, and seemingly extra-terrestrial legal interpreters won't do much for promoting bicycling among the public, or increase public appreciation of those who do ride bicycles. Call that flaming if you like. I describe it as calling a bloomin' spade a bloomin' spade.

I'm hurt, you forgot to mention Klass Klowns. :p

One of my bikes has a soft big gel seat and the other has a hard-as-rock seat with a tiny "love channel" in the middle. My girlfriend says I want too much sex. The problem isn't the bike seat.

But you come on like bloomin' sandpaper, and that's the problem. Who havn't you flamed and insulted, dude?
Saying that you come off as having an abrasive personality don't sound too far off the mark...
Not an "oil boy",
2wheeledsoul
I suppose non-oil boys are not pleased if/when counter-culture rhetoric gets diverted to rational thought, and the use of logic can seem like unpleasant sandpaper to tender sensibilities.