Books, Movies, Music & Entertainment - Movies edited for language.

You know, one or two instances or cursing or nudity edited out will not ruin the movies that I have seen gratuitous nudity or cursing in. I think studios and film makers are stupid to ignore the movie audience for this "little" editing. All too many times nudity/cursing(the "F" word especially) is in one brief scene, solely to avoid the "dreaded" G rating. If it doesn't further the story, it can be cut out.

But what scares me is that you will que up all three Matrix movies, but you don't want your kids to see the sex in the second one. . .BUT you will let them watch the shoot-'em-up parts? Do you realize how many people are killed in just the first movie alone? I am especially thinking about when Neo and Trinity go in to rescue Morpheus. They kill all those guards who are just doing their jobs . . .
And cut it all out? Why watch the movie?

What kills me is there are PLENTY of movies to watch with your kids, good movies, no-cussin' movies, no-sex-nudity movies. My kids have watched everything from old musicals to the original Frankenstein, Abbot and Costello to Apollo 13 (is that the right number?), Old, original Star Trek television shows to Star Trek: The Next Generation, ---come on there is wayy too much to watch without bastardizingly editing a film/show/movie for "family watching".

Now that our kids are older they watch the movies with us and the movies are still sometimes vetted by my husband and me for content, but if something slips by or is necessary for the film, they know that it is all fake, they know that their behaivour should not be dictated by the stuff they see in films and they know that they better not use that language in everyday conversation--around us and family especially.

Try old films, black and white films, old adventure movies (Robin Hood! Ben Hur! The Egyptian!). Try Westerns, musicals, comedies. Try stuff older than the last 15 years. There is a ton of stuff out there. Think of the movies you saw as a kid, try those. Ask your parents, older relatives what they remember as good movies, try those.

It's a great big movie world out there to explore, and most of it doesn't need to be bowdlerized to watch with your kids.
Good post, and good point: Why is it that bulletholes are acceptable, while f-words and nipples are verboten? This whole thread is ridculous.
Here's a question; would you take the bike Eddie Merckx won the TdF on, and cut the top tube off so you could have a mixte bike for your granny, or would you just buy a mixte bike with a step-through frame? If you can answer this question sensibly, it'll tell you how to feel about butchering someone else's artistic vision,(with only the sex and cussing taken out, none of the violence, of course. ;) ) Go buy a ticket for "Chicken Little," people.

They didn't edit out the . Just the y scenes. Picture someone , the person falling over . That few seconds in between when the may splatter is gone.

Before anyone makes any more inaccurate and harsh judgements, I suggest you try the free trial rentals and speak from experience.

www.cleanfilms.com Cost you absolutely nothing, Period.

They didn't edit out the . Just the y scenes. Picture someone , the person falling over . That few seconds in between when the may splatter is gone.

Before anyone makes any more inaccurate and harsh judgements, I suggest you try the free trial rentals and speak from experience.

www.cleanfilms.com Cost you absolutely nothing, Period.

Darin, does it bother you that the very software you have installed on your computer makes it difficult for us to read and understand your posts?

Darin, does it bother you that the very software you have installed on your computer makes it difficult for us to read and understand your posts?
:) This thread is starting to feel like a Monty Python skit.

Kris, how many words got left out of his post?

At least six, but hey, I'm a better person for it. You better get used to this sort of silliness, if you're moving to Mormon country. :)
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They didn't edit out the . Just the y scenes. Picture someone , the person falling over . That few seconds in between when the may splatter is gone.

Before anyone makes any more inaccurate and harsh judgements, I suggest you try the free trial rentals and speak from experience.

www.cleanfilms.com Cost you absolutely nothing, Period.


And talking about The Matrix, I just saw a portion of an "edited" version on tv at my mom's house last night. The part in the first one where one of the Mr. Anderson programs injects Morpheus with the evil brain interrogation stuff: suck the stuff into the hypo, and motion of the needle to the neck, immediate cut to Morpheus rolling his eyes afterwards. It was hilarious, without the intervening agonized look on Morpheus's face, Morpheus just looked a little peeved. I laughed--especially having posted to this thread.

Go watch old movies. There is a lot of movie history out there that you will enjoy and you wont have to commit the sin of watching a crappy version of someone's film that was not intended to so crappy. If ya wanna watch crap, watch crap in an original version.

I get bothered and wonder why some movie maker will throw in a bad word for no appearent reason. Movies that I would want my kids to see, I don't because of that. And I don't really want to see them myself for the same reason. Good story telling doesn't need it. I've just started getting movies from http://www.cleanfilms.com Last night we watched White Noise. It was great. I watched it with my two daughters 14 and 12. It was their first suspenceful/creepy/scary movie. Lights out, surround woofer turn up nice and loud. I have a bunch of movies queued up to be sent to me. All 3 Matrix movies, Panic Room, Arlington Road. They edit for sexual content, language and graghic violence. I'm sure most of you wont really care to see an edited movie, but for those that have wondered about them. I'm sold on it now. I'd heard of them a few years ago, but just got it going this week. I saw White Noise in the theater, and the edited version. The edits were great. I was glad to see the language both spoken and writtin in the log book in a scene in the movie removed. Arlington Road is one of my favorite movies, I'll be glad to share that with my kids too.

Anyway, if you live in the US, check em out. Perhaps there is something like it in other countries.

-Darin

WTF does this have to do with bikes n stuff?

WTF does this have to do with bikes n stuff?

Nothing. That's why it's in B,M,M & E. And "WTF" is still inappropriate for the forums.

Darin, does it bother you that the very software you have installed on your computer makes it difficult for us to read and understand your posts?

Sorry, I didn't realize I hadn't suspended Cyber Sitter. But trust me, my point of debate was brilliant! :)

I appreciate everyones contribution to the debate. The very cool thing is, we have this forum to discuss pretty much everything we want to.








Most of you are still wrong though.
;)

The Forgotten is on it's way. Should be good. The movies that some of you mentioned that might be edited to 15 minutes could very well be movies I wouldn't watch with my kids any way. I'm strickly looking at movies that I want ot see with my kids that I wouldn't be able to watch otherwise. 'Cause of offensive content.




Good Day All.

Dear Lord, please look after Sprockethead, CampyGuy, KamikazeDJer...

Some movies it wouldn't make a bit of difference if the 'objectionable' material was editied out. They'd be shorter, but so be it.

Other movies (Kill Bill, Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas, Saving Private Ryan, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas were mentioned - good examples) are the sum of their parts, and without the swearing and situations, they're not the same movies. It's not what the director wanted and the director is the artist in these cases.

My question is this: there are lots of movies that have situations and language that are inappropriate for kids. But there are tons of movies that are family friendly. Why choose movies that have R-rated situations, even though the language, blood and the nudity have been edited out. Isn't it the situation, and not the language, the blood, or the boob that makes them difficult?

If the mom getting killed offends you, that pretty much leaves out most older Disney movies...

If the mom getting killed offends you, that pretty much leaves out most older Disney movies...
And the one where the guy turns into the big, shaggy dog. That's just darksided. :D

Nothing. That's why it's in B,M,M & E. And "WTF" is still inappropriate for the forums.


"What The Freak" are you talking about?

He's saying that part of the board is for talk about "Books, Movies, Music & Entertainment", and does not have to revolve around cycling.

Even if Darin's kids know they are watching an edited version It will open
up healthy dialog later. As a parent, I applaud the OP's sensibilities, agree or disagree.
They absolutely should know. I assume Darin wants to protect them, not deceive them.

. . .
The Forgotten is on it's way. Should be good. The movies that some of you mentioned that might be edited to 15 minutes could very well be movies I wouldn't watch with my kids any way. I'm strickly looking at movies that I want ot see with my kids that I wouldn't be able to watch otherwise. 'Cause of offensive content.

Good Day All.

Have you seen Shane? The Shootist? The Cowboys? Hondo? Magnificent 7? Silverado? Purgatory? (made for TV, but a fun look at a western "purgatory!")

Man you really should try something like Netflix and get you a big ol' list. There is sooo much good old stuff out there!

It always cracks me up when one of my kids comes in and tells me about a friend of theirs that won't watch anything over 10 years old. Or in black and white. My kids laugh too, because they know how much goodolder stuff is out there.

He's saying that part of the board is for talk about "Books, Movies, Music & Entertainment", and does not have to revolve around cycling.

I know that, I was just being sarcastic and wanted to use "WTF" again, and see "WTF" happens.

Don't.

Favorite (edited) Bruce Willis quote: Yippie-Ki-Yay, My Friend! :lol:

My favorite edited expletive was in a network showing of Twelve Monkeys. The F-word was replaced with "TeeVee" throughout. The memory of Brad Pitt proclaiming, "TeeVee the bozos" still makes me laugh.

I occasionally say it myself, but no one...absolutely no one...gets it.

I hate to post this again, but the TV version of Scarface had the funniest edit:

"So where'd you get the beauty scar, tough guy? Eatin' pineapple?"

"How ya getta scar like that from eatin' pineapple, man?"

Here's a TNT (I think) version of the Big Lebowski:

YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS, LARRY!

CRASH! He swings the crowbar into the windshield, which
shatters.

WALTER
YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS?!

CRASH! He takes out the driver's window.

WALTER
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FIND A
STRANGER IN THE ALPS!

Lights are going on in houses down the street. Distant dogs
bark.

WALTER
HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS, LARRY!

CRASH!

WALTER
HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS! FIND A STRANGER
IN THE ALPS!

CRASH!

The now defunct "Mr. Show" had a great parody of this phenomenon with its "Saturday Afternoon Cinema presents 'Goodfellas.'"

Don't.

I DID.

I DID.

Try not to let it happen again.

Thanks.

Try not to let it happen again.

Thanks.

I can't promise that so no "thanks" necessary.

G'bye!

A little tidbit on Legal DVD Censorship: Here's the site for the story I'm pasting here.
http://www.cdr-zone.com/news/congress_legalizes_dvd_censorship.html

Congress legalizes DVD censorship
home - news

Posted on Wednesday 20th of April, 2005 at 23:14 by SirQUK
Source: The Register

It will soon become legal to alter a motion picture so long as all the sex, profanity, and violence have been edited out, thanks to a bill called the Family Movie Act, an attachment to the Family Entertainment and Copyright Act approved Tuesday by the House. The Senate has already passed its own version, and the President is expected to sign it.

Overall, the bill is a big win for Hollywood, with significantly harsher penalties for common bootleggers. But the 'family movie' provision, championed by US Representative Lamar Smith (Republican, Texas), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee's Internet and Intellectual Property Subcommittee, indemnifies any company that makes prudish versions of movies available without authorization. File sharing will remain a crime, but so long as all the good parts have been purged, a sort of Puritanical bootlegging will be tolerated, if not encouraged.

The bill does not address companies such as CleanFilms, Family Flix, and others, that produce sanitized versions of movie DVDs. These outfits claim that they do not violate copyrights because they buy a copy of the original each time they create a bowdlerized version. These claims amount to no harm no foul: the studios are selling just as many copies as they otherwise would, and perhaps more when one considers the number of people who would not buy the original versions.

The studios say that their copyrights are being violated whenever a company or individual re-distributes their work for profit. The Director's Guild is especially incensed because the outfits doing the censoring are re-working the movies however they see fit, which the directors claim can make a mess of their work. (Although there are bowdlerized editions of movies for broadcast and for exhibition on airplanes, in those cases the directors themselves produce the edited versions, and the production companies and studios are compensated for these performances through a licensing scheme.)

The directors agree that whenever a person purchases a DVD, it becomes their property and they can do with it what they please: edit it for their own enjoyment, decorate a Christmas tree with it, or satisfy their curiosity about how long it might last in the microwave oven. But the thing one may not do is market one's own copies of it. And this, they say, is what CleanFilms and Family Flix are doing, whether they buy an equal number of original copies or not.

These claims and counterclaims are currently being tested in the courts.

Companies like ClearPlay go about things a bit differently, with a DVD player and downloadable filter templates that can skip past objectionable content without actually altering the DVD.

Creating a separate DVD seems to be a straightforward case of copyright violation that the courts ought to settle easily in favor of the studios, but with ClearPlay, the problem is not so obvious. The company does not produce an unauthorized copy of the original: it produces DVD player technology that users can control to show as much, or as little, skin and violence as they wish to see. The disk itself is not affected.

While this leaves shaky footing for a copyright infringement claim, the Director's Guild had been hoping that the courts would recognize their right not to have their work fiddled with by amateurs. ClearPlay does choose for consumers which portions of each movie its system will skip on demand. Users work from a menu of selections such as violence, sex, nudity, profanity, homosexuality, etc. to be suppressed. Essentially, the company is selling a library of filtering templates for movies that people can customize to some extent.

However, the new legislation will moot that issue. If it is signed into law as expected, the only recourse for directors would be challenging it on Constitutional grounds, a fairly sketchy proposition at best. Since the disk is not physically altered, and no duplicate copy is created, the matter boils down to a consumer choosing to view, or not view, portions of a DVD that they own.

Interestingly, Smith's legislation appears tailored to accommodate ClearPlay alone. The bill will protect from copyright liability, "a manufacturer, licensee, or licensor of technology that enables the making of limited portions of audio or video content of a motion picture imperceptible..." It says nothing about making separate editions on DVDs, although the courts have begun taking up that issue.

One problem articulated by Free Expression Policy Project founder Marjorie Heins during a Washington press conference on Monday, is the likelihood that the technology might become mandatory in some situations. She cited the now-mandatory use of internet filtering in libraries, and warned that Congress might one day force libraries and schools to use movie filtering technology like ClearPlay. It is also possible that DVD filtering technology might become mandatory on all players, as the V-chip is on TV sets.

It is difficult to say which federal agency would be in a position to administer such mass censorship legally, since DVDs, like books, are things one goes out to buy or rent or borrow, unlike radio and TV, which are broadcast into one's home and for that reason subject to government regulation. It is hard to imagine any such legislation passing Constitutional muster. But one thing is certain: if the Republican Congress does attempt such a thing, books will not be far behind.