Certified Nutritionalist

[aikigreg]

So you went from 1-2 drinks to 4 drinks (or if the rum was overpoured, more like 5 or 6). I think it likely there's more you're not saying. Lay off the booze and/or get to a doctor, maybe a 12 step group too. I get suspicious when people lie about their alcohol consumption.

[Carbonfiberboy]

maybe a 12 step group too.12 step programs have a worse success rate than no treatment at all. First, just quit. Then get to a doctor immediately. If you have trouble quitting, you need a counselor. Most people can just quit. But to answer your question, yes, you have become alcohol intolerant, it does exist. Good chance it's due to organ failure, and yes, I mean to scare you. I've seen people with symptoms just like yours fall dead in a month.

[DannoXYZ]

I'm drinking much much less than I used to at parties. .... I started drinking glass after glass of club soda and that seemed to help, but the headache lingered until sunday. This is the second time I've had an episode like this. Have I become alcohol Intolerant? does that even exist?Sounds like age and fitness has caught up to you? I don't think anyone can keep up the alcohol consumption they were able to do in their younger years. Other factors like food-intake, hydration level, fatigue from exercise, etc. can have a big impact on how alcohol affects you. I'd cut back to 1/2 of the volume and space out those drinks more. If the alcohol is affecting your life in a negative way, I'd cut back even more.

Yeah, 12-step programs suck, it's really up to the individual's commitment to their goals. Those that actually succeed in 12-step programs probably could've done it on their own anyway.

[Santaria]

If drinking is causing you medical concerns, stop mayhaps?

I was able to drink like a fish when I was in the military (in my early 20s) due to a diet high in satured fat, methinks.

Clean eating of non-processed, low fat foods tends to give alcohol molecules less to stick to and makes their absorbsion faster into the bloodstream, some dumbass told me once. I'd wager his degree dictated him to be right. The rest is up to you to figure out, I'd suggest going tea though, worked for me:)

[aikigreg]

If drinking is causing you medical concerns, stop mayhaps?

I was able to drink like a fish when I was in the military (in my early 20s) due to a diet high in satured fat, methinks.

Clean eating of non-processed, low fat foods tends to give alcohol molecules less to stick to and makes their absorbsion faster into the bloodstream, some dumbass told me once. I'd wager his degree dictated him to be right. The rest is up to you to figure out, I'd suggest going tea though, worked for me:)


Yup. Fat slows absorpotion of anything.

[BIGPAKO]

So you went from 1-2 drinks to 4 drinks (or if the rum was overpoured, more like 5 or 6). I think it likely there's more you're not saying. Lay off the booze and/or get to a doctor, maybe a 12 step group too. I get suspicious when people lie about their alcohol consumption.

OK, you got me, I'm a raging alcoholic, in fact I'm having "one" now and asking the bartend for the next one!

Get suspicious all you want, actually sounds more like "opinionated" to me, I was serious about my question, so thanks to all who answered seriously, I will pay attention to fatigue issues etc, that's probably the answer, I do ride centuries typically on Fridays or Thursdays prior to a day of drinking, and for what it's worth I don't drink every weekend, usually only when there's a party or the occasional happy hours with my co-workers.

Two thumbs down to aikigreg for counting my drinks and not reading my question.

[mrfreddy]

OK, you got me, I'm a raging alcoholic, in fact I'm having "one" now and asking the bartend for the next one!

Get suspicious all you want, actually sounds more like "opinionated" to me, I was serious about my question, so thanks to all who answered seriously, I will pay attention to fatigue issues etc, that's probably the answer, I do ride centuries typically on Fridays or Thursdays prior to a day of drinking, and for what it's worth I don't drink every weekend, usually only when there's a party or the occasional happy hours with my co-workers.

Two thumbs down to aikigreg for counting my drinks and not reading my question.

did you change your diet recently? if you lowered your carb intake and increased your fat and protein intake, you wont be able to tolerate as much booze as you could before. When I switched to a low carb diet, I noticed this change right away. I can only drink about half what I used to, and my hangovers are worse. Sooooo... I still indulge, but it's just 3 or 4 pints of Guinness now, instead of 10 or more, hahaa...

[BIGPAKO]

did you change your diet recently? if you lowered your carb intake and increased your fat and protein intake, you wont be able to tolerate as much booze as you could before. When I switched to a low carb diet, I noticed this change right away. I can only drink about half what I used to, and my hangovers are worse. Sooooo... I still indulge, but it's just 3 or 4 pints of Guinness now, instead of 10 or more, hahaa...

Good point, yes I did make a bit of an adjustment, I increased my protein intake and lowered my carb intake just a tad, I felt I was over "carbing" & I wanted a couple pounds off.


I appreciate your attention to my question

Peace baby!

[aikigreg]

OK, you got me, I'm a raging alcoholic, in fact I'm having "one" now and asking the bartend for the next one!

Get suspicious all you want, actually sounds more like "opinionated" to me, I was serious about my question, so thanks to all who answered seriously, I will pay attention to fatigue issues etc, that's probably the answer, I do ride centuries typically on Fridays or Thursdays prior to a day of drinking, and for what it's worth I don't drink every weekend, usually only when there's a party or the occasional happy hours with my co-workers.

Two thumbs down to aikigreg for counting my drinks and not reading my question.

I calls 'em likes I sees em.

1. You misrepresent how much you drink
2. You then get defensive about it.

Sounds like there's a problem to me. Easy to get the wrong idea on the internet, but you don't make it any easier this way.

[BIGPAKO]

I calls 'em likes I sees em.

1. You misrepresent how much you drink
2. You then get defensive about it.

Sounds like there's a problem to me. Easy to get the wrong idea on the internet, but you don't make it any easier this way.

Defensive me?

Guess how many fingers I have up? That's right.

I hate people like you who go off on a tangent like that, if you have children I feel sorry for them, if you don't I will when you do.

[Santaria]

Wow, I want this fight clean. If I catch either one of you shootin' for the groin again, I'm having the judges take a point! Now back to your corners, get your defenses up and come out FIGHTIN!

rawr. Interweb rage +3.

[Carbonfiberboy]

BIGPAKO, we don't really give a good #$%@ what you think of us here. Hey, it's the internet. Our feelings are not hurt. We're just trying to be your friends, doing what a friend would do. So be all that as it may, the advice to get yourself to a doctor still stands. I used to drink like a fish, too. Now I have 1 beer/week. That works for me. I can still hammer them down, though, with no ill effects other than throwing up on my shoes just like in the old days. Getting pale and having piercing headaches while intoxicated is really bad news. Just tell us you've made the doctor's appointment.

[aikigreg]

Defensive me?

Guess how many fingers I have up? That's right.

I hate people like you who go off on a tangent like that, if you have children I feel sorry for them, if you don't I will when you do.
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Actually, I'm a teacher. You can feel sorry for hundreds of kids all at once :)

And I don't see how talking about your alcohol problem is a tangent, when that was specifically your question, as it not?

But hey, it's your life, and you're free to live it my friend. Drink up! Have one on me.

Don't worry even a little about the fact that you get ill when you drink. You probably just need to drink a little more often, and I'm sure it'll go away tomorrow or the next day.

Or, to put it less snidely, don't ask for opinions and then dump on people who give them. If you already have the answer to the question in your head, no need to ask the question. You sound like a chick who asks "do these pants make my ass look fat?" There is apparently no valid answer that won't get you into trouble!

[BIGPAKO]

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Actually, I'm a teacher. You can feel sorry for hundreds of kids all at once :)

And I don't see how talking about your alcohol problem is a tangent, when that was specifically your question, as it not?

But hey, it's your life, and you're free to live it my friend. Drink up! Have one on me.

Don't worry even a little about the fact that you get ill when you drink. You probably just need to drink a little more often, and I'm sure it'll go away tomorrow or the next day.

Or, to put it less snidely, don't ask for opinions and then dump on people who give them. If you already have the answer to the question in your head, no need to ask the question. You sound like a chick who asks "do these pants make my ass look fat?" There is apparently no valid answer that won't get you into trouble!

WOW, a teacher huh? you must be one of the stupid ones then. You my friend are pretty pathetic, go ahead and read the thread through and you'll see what I'm talking about. Your answers are pretty f@*~king stupid for a teacher, way to go, I hope your students never ever come to you for advice.

[BIGPAKO]

BIGPAKO, we don't really give a good #$%@ what you think of us here. Hey, it's the internet. Our feelings are not hurt. We're just trying to be your friends, doing what a friend would do. So be all that as it may, the advice to get yourself to a doctor still stands. I used to drink like a fish, too. Now I have 1 beer/week. That works for me. I can still hammer them down, though, with no ill effects other than throwing up on my shoes just like in the old days. Getting pale and having piercing headaches while intoxicated is really bad news. Just tell us you've made the doctor's appointment.

Thanks, I made an appointment with a nutrionist yesterday. We talked for a while and she did mention or suggested that the piercing headaches in reaction to booz could very well be a direct consecuence with a change in diet & an excesive exercise routine, as suggested by "mrfreddy" (thanks bro), as long as everything else is fine. I should also mention that a week ago I had my yearly physical and had several blood tests done and according to my doctor I'm in excellent shape. I'll keep you posted.

[JPradun]

I hope you guys are meeting with dietitians (RD) and not nutritionists...

[mrfreddy]

I hope you guys are meeting with dietitians (RD) and not nutritionists...

neither of these groups should really be trusted.. most of them are just trained to parrot the failed nutritional dogma of the past 30 years... low fat good, high fat bad, blah blah blah...

[aikigreg]

There *are* good RDs out there, but you have to find the ones who intentionally ignored all the crap they were taught and got involved in some real research.

[aikigreg]

WOW, a teacher huh? you must be one of the stupid ones then. You my friend are pretty pathetic, go ahead and read the thread through and you'll see what I'm talking about. Your answers are pretty f@*~king stupid for a teacher, way to go, I hope your students never ever come to you for advice.

Well, you know what they say, those who can't, teach, right?

By the way, when you see a counselor for your drinking, be sure to bring up your anger issues. One likely fuels the other.

[BIGPAKO]

Well, you know what they say, those who can't, teach, right?

By the way, when you see a counselor for your drinking, be sure to bring up your anger issues. One likely fuels the other.


Hats off to you "IKI-greg", you got me all figured out. Are you sure you're not a "shrink" posing as a teacher?:rolleyes:

[Santaria]

She (the nutritionist) suggested that the piercing headaches in reaction to booz could very well be a direct consecuence with a change in diet & an excesive exercise routine...[snip]

In all seriousness, did they suggest that your exercising excessively? I'd almost be concerned as it doesn't sound like your overtraining, which would make sense based off your assessment...but like I said...it clearly doesn't sound like your overkilling it.

Just my 2 cents, I have an MA in journalism, not nutrition. /shrug

[BIGPAKO]

In all seriousness, did they suggest that your exercising excessively? I'd almost be concerned as it doesn't sound like your overtraining, which would make sense based off your assessment...but like I said...it clearly doesn't sound like your overkilling it.

Just my 2 cents, I have an MA in journalism, not nutrition. /shrug


Something like that yeah, of course that was her immediate opinion, but wouldn't be able to further comment until our appointment where she'll have all the details as to my exercise regimen & eating habits.

[JPradun]

neither of these groups should really be trusted.. most of them are just trained to parrot the failed nutritional dogma of the past 30 years... low fat good, high fat bad, blah blah blah...

Actually, I don't know any like that. High saturated/trans fat = bad is what they preach. But, any half decent RD who got his/her degree at a decent college knows that different people have different needs. Any half decent RD knows an endurance athletes needs are different than a sprinters needs.

Or do you believe in that Atkins crap? He was obese when he died. Some diet plan "for life."

[mrfreddy]

Actually, I don't know any like that. High saturated/trans fat = bad is what they preach.

they got that half right.



Or do you believe in that Atkins crap?

of course, don't you?

He was obese when he died.

no he wasn't. he was 6'0, 195 a few weeks before he died. slightly overweight, but not bad for a guy in his seventies who wasnt very athletic, and who probably would have been a great big fat guy if he hadn't hit upon the low carb diet.

Some diet plan "for life."



it's an excellent plan, I'm going on 5 years now, looking forward to 50 odd more.

[Santaria]

Ketosis based diets can have positive affects in regards to weight loss, but extended regiments can cause kidney failure, et al.

Atkins was not obese, but frankly I don't want to think of what a vegetarian diety consisting of 92+% protein would feel like.

[EJ123]

Lets ask a deitition

[JPradun]

it's an excellent plan, I'm going on 5 years now, looking forward to 50 odd more.

It's not an excellent plan for long term, and mediocre at best for short term. It's also not a good plan for an endurance athlete as the quickest fuel is not protein or fat, but carbs.

Your body doesn't retain as much water. Also realize that the only source of energy your brain utilizes is glucose, which is slow to metabolize from fat and protein. This is why there is often a feeling of fatigue. This is also probably why your sprinting ability is sub par, as your CNS is somewhat slower to react.

Have you had a lipid test done recently? I bet your cholesterol levels are through the roof. If you're in great shape, I bet they're still high...which is not good for your heart.

Your liver and kidney are being abused, too.

I don't feel like typing more. But, for the record, I've done it twice for 2 months each time when I was pushing obese. I will never do it again, as a HEALTHY diet and exercise are the means to a healthy life. It's not hard, and there is a reason it's the only time-tested method of weight loss/maintenance.

[mrfreddy]

Ketosis based diets can have positive affects in regards to weight loss, but extended regiments can cause kidney failure, et al.

actually, no, this is just a myth. A vampire myth, as Dr. Eades -author of Protein Power - calls it - demonstrably false but refuses to die. Btw, you can be low carb and not be in ketosis.



Atkins was not obese, but frankly I don't want to think of what a vegetarian diety consisting of 92+% protein would feel like.


noooo, he was not obese. Please prove otherwise if you want to insist on this.

A vegetarian diet of 92% protein? Who recommends that? Is that even possible? What would you eat, tofu all day?

[mrfreddy]

It's not an excellent plan for long term, and mediocre at best for short term. It's also not a good plan for an endurance athlete as the quickest fuel is not protein or fat, but carbs.

there may be some truth to this. some folks do need to carefully incorporate carbs to support endurance training..

Your body doesn't retain as much water.

true. I figure this is a good thing.

Also realize that the only source of energy your brain utilizes is glucose, which is slow to metabolize from fat and protein.

only small parts of your brain and other areas of your body require glucose - which your body is quite capable of making from protein. the rest run just fine on ketones. Which is a good thing, otherwise the human race would never have made it this far.


This is why there is often a feeling of fatigue. This is also probably why your sprinting ability is sub par, as your CNS is somewhat slower to react.

what feeling of fatigue? I can sprint just fine, for my purposes anyway. If I wanted to sprint in a competitive setting, I might consider incorporating more carbs, but only in a very careful manner.

actually, most people experience fatigue in the early stages of carb withdrawal, but after your body adapts, you'll do just fine.

Have you had a lipid test done recently? I bet your cholesterol levels are through the roof. If you're in great shape, I bet they're still high...which is not good for your heart.

thats a long story, I'll just let you know that, like all low carbers, my HDL is high, my triglycerides are very very low. my LDL is high by traditional measures, but so what? It's mostly the safe kind - large and fluffy, also just like all other low carbers.

if you are still worried about my heart, like my doctor was, you should know I had a CT heart scan done. On a scale of zero to several thousand, I scored ZERO. Meaning not a trace of plaque could be found. Soooo, I'm not worried about my heart. I'm 50 years old, btw.

Your liver and kidney are being abused, too.

no, they are not.

I don't feel like typing more. But, for the record, I've done it twice for 2 months each time when I was pushing obese. I will never do it again, as a HEALTHY diet and exercise are the means to a healthy life. It's not hard, and there is a reason it's the only time-tested method of weight loss/maintenance.

if whatever you're doing is working for you, great.

And I agree, a healthy diet and exercise are essential. A healthy, low carb diet promotes and maintains weight loss, keeps heart disease in check, not to mention diabetes, arthritis, parkinsons, alzheirmer, cancer, etc. etc.

[aikigreg]

Actually, almost everyone I know who goes on some sort of CKD (cyclical ketogenic diet - a la adkins) has had their lipid and choloesterol profiles IMPROVE dramatically.

Also, it's a fallacy to think that those who follow atkins correctly does without carbs forever. You can get all the carbs you need to function from veggies and Atkins gives you that back after the induction period and then some, as you learn your carb threshold. It's a fairly smart diet, though I think better achieved by Dr. Mauro DiPasquale's anabolic diet, and John Berardi is his "perfect nutrition" plan.

[Santaria]

noooo, he was not obese. Please prove otherwise if you want to insist on this.

A vegetarian diet of 92% protein? Who recommends that? Is that even possible? What would you eat, tofu all day?

As I said, Atkins WAS NOT obese. Not sure where I would have to prove anything since you and I are in agreement.


A vegetarian diet of 92% protein would probably on consist of beans, hence the joke. Much gas would abound.

[mrfreddy]

As I said, Atkins WAS NOT obese. Not sure where I would have to prove anything since you and I are in agreement.


A vegetarian diet of 92% protein would probably on consist of beans, hence the joke. Much gas would abound.


sorry, my bad, I misread your post...

[jorpe]

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