BMX - Building...whatcha think?

Redline Mega-XL (previous model) frame
Odyssey Evolvers (f/r)
Odyssey Monolevers (medium)
Odyssey Dirtfork, 990 mounts
Odyssey Elementary stem
Odyssey 41 thermal cranks 180 mm
Odyssey GTX gyro
Odyssey P.A.C.T. chain tensioners
Odyssey Jim's Beam Seatpost
Odyssey Linear cables
Odyssey Hazard Lite wheels
DK Iron Cross sealed alloy pedals
Primo Seatpost Clamp (single bolt)
Primo Prevert
Sunday Triumph handlebars
ACS Fat freewheel (16t)
Profile 44t 3/16" Blackjack sprocket
FSA Pig sealed headset
KMC Street chain
Odi Ruffian clamp-on MTB grips
Schwinn seat (gel seat)

Bike ALL black, with chrome wheels, & engineer grade black reflective vinyl for night riding safety.

I'm 6'0" 200 lbs. Smooth rider. 1/2 trails, 1/2 street, no grinding, a little jumping (street & dirt).

Pretty nice, except for the wheels, and the flatland piece. You don't want something flatland for a street and dirt bike, and just not a fan of the skyway wheels.

Not many are. I used to use them on my Hutch & had no problems (unlike spoke wheels).

What's so wrong with the forks? Lifetime warranty. I'm a smooth rider. Wouldn't the Dirt fork be alot heavier???

Not many are. I used to use them on my Hutch & had no problems (unlike spoke wheels).

What's so wrong with the forks? Lifetime warranty. I'm a smooth rider. Wouldn't the Dirt fork be alot heavier???
You still might have some problems with the forks although it has a lifetime warranty. If you buy a good fork, they will be about the same weight (although it shouldn't matter that much), and will be much much stronger.

Redline Mega-XL (previous model) frame
Odyssey Evolvers (f/r)
Odyssey Flatland for w/normal offset, 990 mounts
Odyssey Modulevers
Odyssey Elementary stem
Odyssey 41 thermal cranks 180 mm
Odyssey GTX gyro
Odyssey Richard Gear 44t sprocket
Odyssey Seatpost (basic 16" straight post)
Odyssey Linear cables
DK Iron Cross sealed alloy pedals
DK double bolt seat clamp
Dragonfly upper gyro cable
S&M Slam bars
Skyway Tuffwheels II 14mm sealed axle
Skyway/Koolstop brakepads
ACS Fat freewheel (16t)
Chris King headset
KMC Street chain
ATI Schwartz MTC grips
Schwinn seat (gel seat)

Bike ALL black, with engineer grade black reflective vinyl for night riding safety.

I'm 6'0" 200 lbs. Smooth rider. 1/2 trails, 1/2 street, no grinding, a little jumping (street & dirt).


i hope this is a joke

dont get the skyways, they flex way too much.

i hope this is a joke

'xcuse me?

What wheels then?

My second choice was Odyssey Hazard hubs, Odyssey Duralectra rims, 14ga. Stainless spokes, all black...would that be better (better be for 3x the cost!)?

i hope this is a joke

...I'm awaiting an explanation...

What wheels then?

My second choice was Odyssey Hazard hubs, Odyssey Duralectra rims, 14ga. Stainless spokes, all black...would that be better (better be for 3x the cost!)?
Yes, that would be better.

chris king headset, plastic rims,richard gear sprocket + street chain (no grinding?),

this setup doesn't make sense

chris king headset, plastic rims,richard gear sprocket + street chain (no grinding?),

this setup doesn't make sense

The heavy duty drive train (chain/sprockets) is not because of grinding...I've broken too many chains, thus now want something that wont snap under the torque as easy...

What's so wrong with King headsets? I thought they were tough? I've heard of problems with the Solid's, thus King was the only obvious choice left....???

But hey, I'll buy the Odyssey wheels... :D

queens...what school do you go to?

queens...what school do you go to?

^^^???Private Message???^^^

What's so wrong with King headsets? I thought they were tough? I've heard of problems with the Solid's, thus King was the only obvious choice left....???

The King is a waste of money; I destroyed mine in about three weeks, and I'm not even that hard on headsets (ex: my Pig lasted me through three different frames over five or six years). The Solid is definitely the way to go; anyone who says otherwise is probably one of those morons that's too stupid to figure out that the collar loosens when you tighten the grub screw, instead of vice-versa.

On a sidenote, I just read the setup right now, and I have this to say: R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. Namely the reflective vinyl, the 44t sprocket, the Tuff Wheels, and the double-bolt seatpost clamp.

On a sidenote, I just read the setup right now, and I have this to say: R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. Namely the reflective vinyl, the 44t sprocket, and the double-bolt seatpost clamp.

I have a vinyl cutter, scanner, signage software to cut the vinyl as I please, more vinyl cutting experience than you have riding experience.

44/16 gearing has been my favorite since '76.

A seatpost clamp is a seatpost clamp. I like the looks of it.

You have more vinyl cutting experience than I have riding experience. Wow. It doesn't change the fact that you're making your bike reflective.

Well, it's 2006 now. Seeing as how it appears that you're making a freestyle bike, not a race bike, there's no reason to have such monster gearing.

The seatpost clamp is overkill; the upper half of the clamp is deadweight.

I don't understand why some people refuse to get smaller gearing. I can understand not wanting to have as low as 23-8(or 22-8?), or even 25-9/28-10. But, 44-16 is out of the question. It makes your bike lighter stronger, and it LOOKS better I think.

You have more vinyl cutting experience than I have riding experience. Wow. It doesn't change the fact that you're making your bike reflective.


...yeah, because getting hit by a car is soooooooo fun boys & girls. :rolleyes:

I have no interest in doing freestyle. The Gyro is to keep the cables closer to the bike so they don't snag on trees.

"Look both ways before you cross the street."

edit: Snag on trees? Just cut your cable short, then.

"Look both ways before you cross the street."


Maybe I'll drink a beer and lose concentration.

...yeah, because getting hit by a car is soooooooo fun boys & girls. :rolleyes:

If you use common sense you can avoid getting hit by a car.

I don't understand this whole thread. First, Prozakk: why do you care if all these guys like your bike? Build what you want, replace what breaks and enjoy it. Second, why is everyone ****ting all over dude's part selection? I understand he was asking for opinions, so comments like "I don't think you'll be happy with Skyways as you would be with well-made spoke wheels" seem more in order than "ur bike sounds teh ghey". If wants to cover it in vinyl, why not? He's clearly not 15 (riding since 1976?), so the looking cool factor is probably not as high on his priority list as being seen at night. So what? And if Mat Hoffman started riding around with reflective stickers on his bike, I'd bet a bunch of you guys would think it was sick as hell and run off to the shops to buy some. I guess I'm saying you can give the guy advice without pissing all over him, and likewise 'zakk shouldn't really give a crap. Build it, ride it, love it. Bikes are a personal thing, bro.

-Paul
(didn't start riding until 1979 ;) )

Paul...good reply. Excellent!

I only care to build it as good as possible. Someone dissing safety only makes me laugh. Medical expenses aren't cheap.

I can cut any design I please in vinyl, and I'm sure the young crowd on my 'hood will drool & want me to cut them some. Not that it matters.

I do care about others opinions when it comes to better parts though...considering the greenbacks being shelled out. I want a bike that's tough...period.

I substituted some stuff when I ordered today...

Odyssey Hazard Lite wheels (flipflop axle) w/13ga. spokes
Primo single bolt clamp
Solid headset
Koolstop Salmon Phat Pads

I don't even think that you can use 13g spokes with that hub; I know that I wasn't able to use them when I got my first pair of Hazard hubs in 2000, and (seeing as how almost no one uses 13g spokes in the first place) I have my doubts that they'd be 13g-ready without having to do some drilling.

Sounds like a nice bike. Post pics when it's done :)

I don't even think that you can use 13g spokes with that hub; I know that I wasn't able to use them when I got my first pair of Hazard hubs in 2000, and (seeing as how almost no one uses 13g spokes in the first place) I have my doubts that they'd be 13g-ready without having to do some drilling.



NEW stronger lighter rims, sealed quad bearing flip flop hubs, 13g stainless spokes. Black or Chrome. Note 36 or 48h in the comments section of order form.

Sounds like a nice bike. Post pics when it's done :)

Thanks...will do.

Here's another last minute substitute:

Sunday Triumph Bars (8/28)

I like how unsecure their site is; you linked me directly into your shopping cart.

I would email Nuno (mailto:nuno@odysseybmx.com) or Chris (mailto:chrisc@odysseybmx.com) at Odyssey to verify that those are actually 13g spokes (which are overkill, anyway), because none of the major mailorders specify 13g for that wheelset; in fact, Empire, Staff, and Dans all specifically state that it has 14g spokes.

It really isn't that big of an issue for me...14ga. would be just fine.

I got my frame in yesterday. Looks awesome. The rest should be here mid (next) week. Just in time for the 70 degree weather we've had almost all winter to finally go away.

I'll post pics next weekend...:)

I honestly think skyways look badass, its just too bad they flex so much.

As far as the duralectra's go, I wasn't overly impressed.
I wish i had saved the $35 and just got a regular Black Hazard Lite, as the duralectra coating started wearing off the first time I got my brakes dirty.

Build whatcha like, as long as you ride it hard=]

I honestly think skyways look badass, its just too bad they flex so much.

As far as the duralectra's go, I wasn't overly impressed.
I wish i had saved the $35 and just got a regular Black Hazard Lite, as the duralectra coating started wearing off the first time I got my brakes dirty.

Build whatcha like, as long as you ride it hard=]

Last time I had Skyways, I had no problems, but I weighed 1/2 of current weight.

I went all chrome on some Odyssey Hazard Lites. I'll do 1/2 trails, thus thought it would make for better brakes & durability. Riding trails, limbs happen. Also,I'm going to mod the fat pads with grooves (another excuse to use the dremel :)), to deal better with grit & grime. I'll post the pics of the mod too.

More substitutes (changed on 1st thread listing all parts):

Profile Blackjack 44t 3/16" Sprocket
FSA sealed Pig headset

-I already had the Odyssey Richard Gear sprocket, but decided to sell it to a begging neighbor, so I ordered a sprocket that's more ideal for the 3/16" chain...

I had a skyway on the front of my hybridised BMX, anytime I pulled a fast corner standing I could SEE the rim flex and damn near hit my fork, a couple times it did.

And I'm only 130 pounds.

EDIT: Actually, it wasnt a skyway, it's a peregrine master. If that makes a difference...

Thanks for everyones advice & leading me in the right direction!

Good to see someone getting mostly help for a change.

Good to see someone getting mostly help for a change.

Eerie, huh?

Hey, even the ss/fixie guys have been ok lately.

ss/fixie guys

You just lost me..............................?

You just lost me..............................?

http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=178

sweet! Awsome set up

I can't imagine why in the world you'd want such a thick sprocket and chain; the days of motorcycle chains are long past. On top of that, a smaller sprocket is stronger than a larger one, because there's less leverage for being it.

A thick chain is ideal for some of the trails I ride. Limbs...

Here's a hint: get a machete. Christ. When I had RHD, I ran KMC 510HX 1/8" chain (and I stil do), and I was grinding on the thing constantly; it took months to break a link. A 3/16" chain is total overkill. I have a feeling that you're thinkign hat you're going to break your bike, and that's why you're buying all this stuff that was obsolete a half-decade ago, but at the same time you're buying all this lightweight stuff (specifically, the Odyssey and Sunday stuff); it doesn't add up at all.

Here's a hint: get a machete. Christ. When I had RHD, I ran KMC 510HX 1/8" chain (and I stil do), and I was grinding on the thing constantly; it took months to break a link. A 3/16" chain is total overkill. I have a feeling that you're thinkign hat you're going to break your bike, and that's why you're buying all this stuff that was obsolete a half-decade ago, but at the same time you're buying all this lightweight stuff (specifically, the Odyssey and Sunday stuff); it doesn't add up at all.

Machete...

I only carry an awesome Leatherman Charge XT.

I snapped chains left & right when I weighed 85 lbs. I weigh 200 lbs now. No grinding then, nor now.

Light...

Odyssey 41 Thermal cranks aren't.

Their Evolver brakes aren't too bad.

Wheels...If I snap an axle &/or bend the wheel, I'll get a solid axle, &/or I'd replace the rear rim with a Alex Supra E

Elementary Stem is a great product.
Triumph bars > warranty

Odyssey 41 Thermal cranks aren't.

They weigh, what, 1oz more than Profile Race Cranks? They're most definitely not heavy cranks. And you must have had a really crappy chain to snap it that often.

The only chain I ever broke was the timing chain on the tandem. My wife stopped pedalling just as I was getting ready to sprint us across the road.

I don't understand why someone would get a solid axle if they snap one. Get a hollow 14mm, and broken axles won't be a concern.