Foo - Pitbulls

Good or BAD

No - I think a ban on any breed is a mistake. For every horror story there are thousands of dogs that get through fifteen or sixteen years without ever biting and end their days as a beloved pet.

As with people, there are good ones and bad ones. I think a pitbull, properly trained and socialized, handled with love and given plenty of attention is as likely to be a good dog as any other breed. Yes, some of them snap. Knowing that, it's the owner's responsibility to keep their dog under control, but again, it can happen with any breed. You may as well ban all small dogs - they're as likely to bite.

What I would support though is a crackdown on people who abuse their Pitties because they want a "cool" dog, ie: a mean one. Ban them, not the breed.

They're good dogs, but shouldn't be allowed near porcupines.
http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/pitbull-porc2.jpg
(These threads are always awesome, by the way, as they always bring the same sort of vaginized liberals out of the woodwork who feel there ought to be a law against absolutely everything that can potentially harm you, at the expense of personal liberty and accountability. BTW, I'm very liberal myself, but feel that people ought to be able to do what they want, own what they want, accept the consequences, and the government and everyone else should mind their own ****ing business. My trolling is done. My popcorn is popping. ;))

They're good dogs, but shouldn't be allowed near porcupines.
http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/pitbull-porc2.jpg
(These threads are always awesome, by the way, as they always bring the same sort of vaginized liberals out of the woodwork who feel there ought to be a law against absolutely everything that can potentially harm you, at the expense of personal liberty and accountability. BTW, I'm very liberal myself, but feel that people ought to be able to do what they want, own what they want, accept the consequences, and the government and everyone else should mind their own ****ing business. My trolling is done. My popcorn is popping. ;))
Yeah true , but then the 4 legged animal has to pay for the persons bull & that's just not right.

A dingo killed a baby in Australia yesterday. :( The pet dingo/labrador cross mauled a 22 month old girl to death at a town called Bunyip in the state of Victoria.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18021332%255E2862,00.html


I used to train through Bunyip. Must have missed those marauding hoards of Dingos

There is a pitbull around the corner from me and he has to be one of the sweetest dogs I have ever seen. He always greets me at the fence when I walk or ride by. and I always stop to say hello and pet him. It is not always the dog or the breed, sometimes it is the lunkheads who own them. I do, sometimes, question the wisdom of ever owning a cross between a domestic breed and a wild animal though. I love dogs and never really fear any of them but a friend of mine had a wolf/husky mix that I felt very uneasy around.

Cheers,,

Brian

The guy I do some P/T work for has a tan/buckskin female named Stella. She is the swetest little girl you'd ever want to see. It's so cool when his wife brings Stell to the store all work stops and snacks get raided. Then we play a hearty game of Tug-O-War.

I say ban stoopid owners!

Banned from what?

Pitbulls were originally bred to be especially non-aggressive to humans. Any Pit that is aggressive towards a human being has been trained to be that way, or been mis-treated, or both. I've seen a 6 month old toddler, jump up and down on an adult male Pit, pull his ears, gouge his eyes, pound him with her fists, and the dog would at most roll over or walk to the other side of the room. Pits have no inborn tendency to be aggressive towards any human being. It's horrible the way most Pit owners treat their dogs. Banning the breed is ridiculous.

Mine will not respond when you make a kicking or punching motion towards them. They've never felt a kick or punch connect. They don't know what violence is.

I'm a former owner, and my pit bull was a very friendly dog around people. His kindness stopped, however, whenever he saw another animal. Dog, cat, squirrel, bird, fish, snake...he didn't care, he would go after it. And he was the only dog I ever saw that chased a car, and caught it.

Well my dog was attacked by a pitbull 1 1/2 ago. My dog had to have surgrey etc. IT SUCKED. He has a shoot coming out from his body to drain blood and other nasty fluid.
Now the answer to your question. Should pitbulls be banned. Its really hard for me to say. My dog is a West Highland Terrier, HARMLESS to anyone or anything pretty much.
My dog stood no chance at all. The attack happened when my ex-husband and I were walking our dog and the pitbull had to be pulled off of our dog. If it wasn't for my ex (whom be the way is 6'2 260lb) our dog would have been dead!!!
The owner of the pitbull saw the whole thing and did agree his dog was in the wrong and paid all of our expenses!!!!!
I don't care for these dogs at all. But banning them I don't think is the answer, I think the answer is training them NOT TO FIGHT!!! I think it all depends how they are raised.
This particular pitbull was nice the owner said never attacked anything or anyone but the next door neighbor told us differently. This pitbull went right for my dogs NECK. THEY ARE TRAINED TO DO THIS. Also pitbulls jaws LOCK once they have a hold of something.
So, for me I don't care for the breed, and I will never buy one, but banning them I don't think is the answer.
Its like killing off a breed of person cause they did something BAD.
BY THE WAY I'M VERY LIBERAL.

Pitbulls are wierd and can be unstable. A friend has a pitbull mix and I was apprehensive about letting my kids play over there. But the dog has been remarkably well behaved. Except when the cable man came. Evie went balistic. I guess that it was the hat.

If any dog harms another dog or person that dog should be put down, or the owner made to carry insurance.

Any dog can be vicious. Look at poodles. It's all in the way they're raised.

Surely the question should be; should people be banned from owning pitbulls as pets?

You can't ban a pitbull, it lacks the preventability that banning requires.

Also, pitbulls cannot be either good or bad. They are a just physical entity of flesh and bone and passing an abstract judgement is redundant.

Me arguing semantics could be judged as good or bad, physical entities, not so much.

ahh the infamous pitbulls

maybe you should check out the previous pitbull thread
if i remember right it stirred up quite a controversy.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=113660&highlight=pitbul

There is a pitbull around the corner from me and he has to be one of the sweetest dogs I have ever seen. He always greets me at the fence when I walk or ride by. and I always stop to say hello and pet him. It is not always the dog or the breed, sometimes it is the lunkheads who own them. I do, sometimes, question the wisdom of ever owning a cross between a domestic breed and a wild animal though. I love dogs and never really fear any of them but a friend of mine had a wolf/husky mix that I felt very uneasy around.

Cheers,,

Brian
Our neighbors have a white and brown one(well, actually six right now-theirs, plus ma, pa and three pups) and I've never had any trouble with them...except for barking when I'm trying to freakin' sleep! That's all the dogs in the neighborhood, tho, including my mutt. I was pretty wary at first, because he always barked at me, but turned out he was just saying, "Hi!"

I saw a part wolf, part somethin' at the pet store one day and it was the size of a damn Shetland pony!:eek: I kid you not! Had a head the size of a freakin' beach ball(only with fangs, fur and ears). Would've been really scary if he hadn't been old and had hip problems.:( Magnificient animal, tho...in a monstrous, prehistoric kinda way.

ahh the infamous pitbulls

maybe you should check out the previous pitbull thread
if i remember right it stirred up quite a controversy.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=113660&highlight=pitbul
This is the "kinder, gentler" pitbull thread.:lol:

I love dogs, but I loath pit bulls. (We have a Shih Tzu pup - waaaaay cuter than a snarly, nasty, evil pit bull) ;)

There are just too many well documented cases where a well behaved animal just set off and attacked a person or a pet, often with grevious consequences. I don't hear the repeated horror stories about Rottweilers, Great Danes, Mastiffs, or any other breeds that are powerful enough to cause the damage that pit bulls do, so I would have to conclude that there is something peculiar to the breed. They are unstable, and a frame pump just isn't enough to deter them.

Since it is more convenient for me to say ban them, than it is for me to carry a sand wedge on my rides, that's how I'll vote. :p

I love dogs, but I loath pit bulls. (We have a Shih Tzu pup - waaaaay cuter than a snarly, nasty, evil pit bull) ;)

There are just too many well documented cases where a well behaved animal just set off and attacked a person or a pet, often with grevious consequences. I don't hear the repeated horror stories about Rottweilers, Great Danes, Mastiffs, or any other breeds that are powerful enough to cause the damage that pit bulls do, so I would have to conclude that there is something peculiar to the breed. They are unstable, and a frame pump just isn't enough to deter them.

Since it is more convenient for me to say ban them, than it is for me to carry a sand wedge on my rides, that's how I'll vote. :p
:roflmao: at myself:rolleyes: I was trying to figure out how a wedge of sand is gonna stop anything before I realized you were talking about a golf club. Is it obvious that I'm not a golfer...?

A sandwich might come in more handy. Even if you miss with it the dog may stop to go and eat that instead. The preference would be for a nice raw meat sandwich, lightly seasoned, no mayo.

I say BAN 'EM! They never post anything useful anyway!

Now, now, that doesn't make them trolls.

:lol: That was funny Eggplant!!!

When my brother and I were little kids, we shared a paper route. We pulled a wagon full of papers around to about 350 different houses. We did once get attacked by a pitbull. I pulled my baseball bat out of the wagon, gave it a good swing to the top of its back, and it ran for it. Pitbulls can be very aggressive in nature, but usually thats just when they are raised by bad owners, just like with any other dog.

I personaly have never been scared of dogs of any breed. especialy not pitbulls, they are really not that big. If a pit bull wants a peice of my steel cycling cleats hes more then welcome.

I also understand that ther are elderly people and kids that could be at a large risk of serious injury from such a dog. Im thinking that maybe a city limit ban on the dogs would not be such a bad idea in bigger citys.

This pitbull went right for my dogs NECK. THEY ARE TRAINED TO DO THIS.

I'm sorry, but this is not entirely true. I've been around the so-called "dangerous breeds" all of my life, have adopted, raised, and trained them myself. I know of cases and have witnessed cases where pitbulls raised from pups as great family pets have attacked other dogs. What do they go for? The neck. They were never EVER trained to do that. It's instinct. If you watch these dogs play, many times they will grab for the other dog's neck. You try to discourage it, but it is just nature.

With that said, I am a big advocate for these dogs and the proper training of them. I would put every bad owner into a cage before I ever thought about banning them. If you don't like that, I will sick my pitbull on you and she will lick you so much ;)

http://www.naputi.com/stuft/pic/bdog.jpg

if you see pitbull do not mess with them or You know they will attack
and if they attack they will not stop im tellin ya

Any dog can be vicious. Look at poodles. It's all in the way they're raised.

yeah... but a poodles can't bite through your leg.... and they aren't as likely to be raised to fight.

They're quite tastey. Nice and lean.






By the way, I have to say that the rampant breedism in this thread is making me sick!

When I was a kid I had a paper route. I was attacked by a Collie named Maisy.
I say ban all collies. Do not let the lassie movies fool you.

if you see pitbull do not mess with them or You know they will attack
and if they attack they will not stop im tellin ya

Congratulations, you win the "Most Ignorant Comment" award. Where should I send the nickel so you can buy yourself a clue?

My neighbors had two Pomeranians that were pure evil. Those dogs were never on leashes and the owners didn't want them in the house. So all they did was roam the court. They would bark and chase all the little kids until they went screaming into their homes. If your garage was open, they would come in and urinate on your belongings. If you tried to tell the owners, all of a sudden they didn't speak English. And if you called the pound, they would bail them out. If you shouted at them or stomped your foot toward them, they would charge you. One time I went to my car in the early morning darkness to go to work and as I was opening my car I heard a deep growl very close to my face. That dog was on the roof of my car, poised to bite. I finally got fed up with this and decided to use their names as I firmly told them "NO!". As time went on, I found out that all they needed was attention and a belly scratch. They ended up following me around wanting more. And then they started to behave.....

Hey, pitbulls don't kill people. . .people kill people. What pitbull owners need is a NRA-type organization to fight for their rights. Carl Rove could be their spokesperson.

Actually, the gun analogy may be spot-on. Pitbulls are America's Sweetheart until they 'pull the trigger'. . .then it's murder, pure and simple.

Yeah, let 'em keep their nasty little horrors.

I still didn't get an answer to my question. The poll is should pitbulls be banned. Banned from what? I can't answer until I know.

That being said, here is my $.02 on pitbulls. I used to think that pitbulls were just like any other dog and that it was only the owners and the way they raised them that made them agressive. I *used* to believe that.

Ever since I got my greyhounds, I go to the dog park nearly every night (at least 5 nights a week). After a while you get to know the other "regulars" in there. So in the last year, I've probably been exposed to more dogs than I have in a LONG time previous....and many different breeds as well.

There is definitely something different about pitbulls. They are more agressive at times, but generally are lovable. What makes them a little nervewracking is that they often seem to be lovable and playful and then suddenly *snap* and start a fight. They definitely do this more than any other breed I've noticed.

That being said, I wouldn't want to ban them from the park or anything. They aren't that bad....they just need to be watched a little more closely by the owners IMO.

I still didn't get an answer to my question. The poll is should pitbulls be banned. Banned from what? I can't answer until I know.

That being said, here is my $.02 on pitbulls. I used to think that pitbulls were just like any other dog and that it was only the owners and the way they raised them that made them agressive. I *used* to believe that.

Ever since I got my greyhounds, I go to the dog park nearly every night (at least 5 nights a week). After a while you get to know the other "regulars" in there. So in the last year, I've probably been exposed to more dogs than I have in a LONG time previous....and many different breeds as well.

There is definitely something different about pitbulls. They are more agressive at times, but generally are lovable. What makes them a little nervewracking is that they often seem to be lovable and playful and then suddenly *snap* and start a fight. They definitely do this more than any other breed I've noticed.

That being said, I wouldn't want to ban them from the park or anything. They aren't that bad....they just need to be watched a little more closely by the owners IMO.
As much as I think the pits next door are sweethearts, I never let my guard down around them.
Just a vibe I get from them sometimes. I wonder if they might have a gene that makes them a bit unstable....

Owned pitbulls for years. Great, sweet dogs when raised right, just like any other dog. They can be aggressive around other animals, Hundreds of years of breeding is hard to turn around without a concerted effort on the part of all breeders.

Any dog can be vicious. Look at poodles. It's all in the way they're raised.

Don't jest, I heard about a poodle that killed a pit bull. This is actually true, and it wasn't much of a fight in the end either.

The pit bull attempted to swallow the poodle whole, and choked to death. :D

Don't jest, I heard about a poodle that killed a pit bull. This is actually true, and it wasn't much of a fight in the end either.

The pit bull attempted to swallow the poodle whole, and choked to death. :D
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

If you're going to ban pitbulls then you have to look at banning all the so-called muscle breeds. There are certainly more dangerous breeds of dog out there that I would be concerned with, the Presa Canario being my top pick.

There are many muscle breeds that are rated high in combativeness (aggressive towards other animals but not towards people) such as Pitbulls, Dogue de Bordeaux (French mastiff), Dogo Argentino (Argentinian mastiff), Staffordshire Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Then there are those that are rated high in the area of suspicious/aggressive with strangers such as the Boerboel (South African mastiff), and Fila Brasileiro (Brazilian mastiff).

Any of these breeds in the wrong hands is a tragedy waiting to happen. One must understand that the nature or tendancies of these breeds cannot be socialized or trained out of them. Dogs with a high tendancy in either combativeness or are people suspicious/aggressive do not belong in an off-leash park for example. A responsible owner however, would not put their dog in a situation where an incident could likely not be prevented. Instead of banning specific breeds, I think there should be tighter restrictions on breeding and ownership. A potential owner should have to prove they are capable of handling such a dog (by way of certification or courses) and show a need or the purpose for wanting to own this kind of dog, i.e. trained personal protection. Banning just one breed only serves to increase the popularity of similar type dogs.

If you're going to ban pitbulls then you have to look at banning all the so-called muscle breeds. There are certainly more dangerous breeds of dog out there that I would be concerned with, the Presa Canario being my top pick.

There are many muscle breeds that are rated high in combativeness (aggressive towards other animals but not towards people) such as Pitbulls, Dogue de Bordeaux (French mastiff), Dogo Argentino (Argentinian mastiff), Staffordshire Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Then there are those that are rated high in the area of suspicious/aggressive with strangers such as the Boerboel (South African mastiff), and Fila Brasileiro (Brazilian mastiff).

Any of these breeds in the wrong hands is a tragedy waiting to happen. One must understand that the nature or tendancies of these breeds cannot be socialized or trained out of them. Dogs with a high tendancy in either combativeness or are people suspicious/aggressive do not belong in an off-leash park for example. A responsible owner however, would not put their dog in a situation where an incident could likely not be prevented. Instead of banning specific breeds, I think there should be tighter restrictions on breeding and ownership. A potential owner should have to prove they are capable of handling such a dog (by way of certification or courses) and show a need or the purpose for wanting to own this kind of dog, i.e. trained personal protection. Banning just one breed only serves to increase the popularity of similar type dogs.

I need to work on my delivery so my thoughts come out like this :)

I need to work on my delivery so my thoughts come out like this :)

Thanks mirona! :) That was my long-winded way of saying let's not resort to knee-jerk reactions when it comes to dogs such as Pitbulls.

Want to explain this chauvinist term "vaginized?"


Pit bulls rock! Too bad people don't know how to behave with dogs.

Pitbull a cute when a puppy

Banned from what?

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No - I think a ban on any breed is a mistake. For every horror story there are thousands of dogs that get through fifteen or sixteen years without ever biting and end their days as a beloved pet.

As with people, there are good ones and bad ones. I think a pitbull, properly trained and socialized, handled with love and given plenty of attention is as likely to be a good dog as any other breed. Yes, some of them snap. Knowing that, it's the owner's responsibility to keep their dog under control, but again, it can happen with any breed. You may as well ban all small dogs - they're as likely to bite.

What I would support though is a crackdown on people who abuse their Pitties because they want a "cool" dog, ie: a mean one. Ban them, not the breed.

+1

None of the people I've known that have had pitbulls or dobermans have had mean dogs. Rather, they've all been very big puppy dogs that loved to play.

Ban the humans instead.

Want to explain this chauvinist term "vaginized?"

Nevermind....found it.

The number of injuries caused by every dog, to any other creature in the world, has no comparison to what cats do to the bird population. For instance: http://www.wildbirds.com/protect_cats.htm

yeah... but a poodles can't bite through your leg.... and they aren't as likely to be raised to fight.


Oh you are soooooo Wrong robotic one!

Ever seen a Standard Size POODLE? They can be taller then a German Shepard.
When I was a kid, I had a fight with another kid in his driveway, he called for his dog, STANDARD SIZE POODLE! The damn thing about ripped my leg off. I was lucky as hell I didn't lose my leg, I caught "gangrene"

I don't mind Pit Bulls, as long as they are not in and around a Neighborhood of school kids!
Hell there is a Black Lab that is meaner then hell down the street, I have had a Baseball bat in my hands more then once protecting my kids and others.

Guess it is more how the OWNERS raise these dogs.

I have two large dogs of my own, German Short Hair Pointer (60 lbs) and Irish Setter (80 lbs)
They are both all muscle!

They have been banned here in my city. Thank God.