Classic & Vintage - Campagnolo frame?

OK This is news to me. Did Campagnolo ever build a frame? I've found somebody selling a Campagnolo BIKE on CL for $350. Thing is... the downtube actually has Campagnolo branded decals that look legitimate.

Wha is this?

from the years I've been collecting bikes, I have never seen a Campy frame. Maybe it's a custom job with a campy sticker.

No Campagnolo frames. From time to time they have comissioned frames for Trade Shows, and neutral support of races. I think Serotta even made some long ago. They had Campagnolo graphics and were silver, and one year blue if memory serves.

Not in one's best interest to compete with your customers. Pushing off topic, but with the number of makers that don't make forks, and Campagnolo's commitment to carbon...wanna bet they do a fork? They DID try saddles, and DO brand clothing...

Uh huh...what do you make of this?

http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/131005054.html

Fake.

Probably the only thing on the bike that is Campagnolo is the downtube sticker and it looks fake, the angle of the italics is wrong and the letterforms are off.

While the seat tube sticker is small, looks kind of Windsor shaped, a friend was down in Mexico long ago, and he brought back lots of photos of Colnagos with cottered cranks, stamped dropouts, stem shifters...

In the 70's Holywood Sports Cars would sell you a $475. set of emblems for your Dino to turn it into a Ferrari, at least the emblems were real.

Yeah. it's a fake. just look at those cheap ass cranks.

BTW, I have a Speaker box with a Campy logo. I hear you can go wicked fast on them. I'll sell for 1 million dollars.

Yeah Number 6, I saw that the cranks look to be Suntour but couldn't tell on the rest. I was dreaming that maybe somehow, someone got the frame, stripped it & refitted junk (to conceal it!) and then sold it in paranoid panic! The seller sure sounds naive!

It is the long lost special Campagnolo frame!!...for $350! (ha) (hey wait..what if it is?)

So far the seller is a little shy in responding.

But it does appear to be a good boom era frame, with chromed head lugs, no braze-ons, tight rear triangle and short wheel base. The seat post binder bolt appears to pierce the top of thee seat stays, so it may be a Windsor, as suggested by number6. The tubing decal looks like a Reynolds decal, but the photos aren't good enough. Then again, it could be fake too. Even if it's a Windsor Pro, it's priced too high, but if you're in the area, it would be worth a look,

It looks like a Windsor Pro with the wrong parts and a Campagnolo sticker on the downtube. Maybe you'll get lucky and its really a Cinelli hiding there.

This frame is reported to be a Campy display frame I bought off E-Bay for my sixteen year old son. It has no serial numbers , a Cinelli BB, Campy dropouts. We built using our own parts. Compared to my TSX Bianchi it is extremly compliant and a little slower in the steering.

Bikes before the mid70's had clamp on Stops not braze on. I have a 1969 Cinelli SC and everything was Campy Clamp on fittings not braze ons. I remember seeing bikes marketed during the bike booms with what I called "marketing" stickers. My memory doesn't cringe at the Campagnolo DT sticker. Probably a Windsor and probably an original sticker. Not something I would buy but may be a decent ride for someone. Suntour weren't bad parts, infact I believe that Shimano bought the patents for the current RD design.

The link didn't work so I'm not sure we're talking about the same kind of bike... but when I lived in Vicenza Italy from 1999 - 2004 a local guy would ride a "Campagnolo frame" town bike every day to a nearby bar that I would have coffee at. It was a nice looking gusset frame, campy components, aero rims, flat bars, ... etc. Could have just been Campagnolo stickers, but the Campagnolo factory was just on the other side of town from us (this bar was in Torri di Quartesolo) and I wish I would have inquired about it when I had the chance ... it was a nice looking bike and a bit of a curiosity for me because I didn't think Campagnolo made frames either. If you're dying to know the answer I can probably e-mail a buddy in Torri and have him ask next time he gets a coffee there (Bar Al Cedro Fiorito).

I found a frame in my shed with Campagnolo clearly stamped on the fork and rear wheel drop outs. Does this mean I have the Campagnolo frame you all seek??

I found a frame in my shed with Campagnolo clearly stamped on the fork and rear wheel drop outs. Does this mean I have the Campagnolo frame you all seek??
No. It means the frame in your shed was made with Campagnolo dropouts and fork ends.

BTW, I have a Speaker box with a Campy logo. I hear you can go wicked fast on them. I'll sell for 1 million dollars.

I think back in the day I saw some mechs had toolboxes with genuine Campagnolo logos on them - what would they be worth now?????

I found a frame in my shed with Campagnolo clearly stamped on the fork and rear wheel drop outs. Does this mean I have the Campagnolo frame you all seek??

It means that it's poop. I'll dispose of it proper ly for you. :D

I think back in the day I saw some mechs had toolboxes with genuine Campagnolo logos on them - what would they be worth now?????

The tool boxes with the tools in them range around $4000.

No, I'm not talking about the vintage Campy toolsets.

I dont know why but This thread is a barrel of laugh just sitting and reading it. Time to get some popcorn.

I found a frame in my shed with Campagnolo clearly stamped on the fork and rear wheel drop outs. Does this mean I have the Campagnolo frame you all seek??

If this is a joke it's freakin' hilarious. If it's not a joke, then it's the funniest thing I've ever read. :lol:

No. It means the frame in your shed was made with Campagnolo dropouts and fork ends.

Darn, this means we'll all have to go back to seeking a Campy frame.

as stated earlier in the thread, there are campagnolo frames that show up occasionally, not usually on CL though.

Bought a CZECH Favorit in 1974 silver, NUVO Record equipped, 26.2 camp seat post. It has campagnola stamped on the steering post. {cant be seen until taken apart**. Does this suggest its a camp frame or just the forks are and how rare are they?

Everyone and everyone has been giving away Campagnolo decals and stickers to everyone for many many years. It must be the most printed bicycle related decal out there........So they end up stuck on everything like.....bike frames..... and I bet you, even an occasional cat and dog!

Chombi

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Ei6Awi8vL._SS500_.jpg

Your point?

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I was given one off those as a wedding present. I have had occasion to use it once, but it works well.

you suggesting it is a sticker got me a little perturbed so went down and took the forks off the bike and NO sticker just stamped into the metal stearing tube the following BREV Campagnola-Lg-200-(dametersign o with slash through it) 2.54 x 24F.
this is certainly no decal or sticker, its the real deal.

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Campy corkscrews are better because they use the finest bearings (ones that no one else can buy) and you can rebuild them. When you use it, it will be tight at first because of the close tolerances, but it will get better over time.

Everyone and everyone has been giving away Campagnolo decals and stickers to everyone for many many years. It must be the most printed bicycle related decal out there........So they end up stuck on everything like.....bike frames..... and I bet you, even an occasional cat and dog!

Chombi
you suggesting it is a sticker got me a little perturbed so went down and took the forks off the bike and NO sticker just stamped into the metal stearing tube the following BREV Campagnola-Lg-200-(dametersign o with slash through it) 2.54 x 24F.
this is certainly no decal or sticker, its the real deal.

you suggesting it is a sticker got me a little perturbed so went down and took the forks off the bike and NO sticker just stamped into the metal stearing tube the following BREV Campagnola-Lg-200-(dametersign o with slash through it) 2.54 x 24F.
this is certainly no decal or sticker, its the real deal.

You're not reading those numbers off a bearing race pressed on the fork crown by any chance??

If it is indeed on the steering tube, that is very unusual......AFAIK, Campagnolo never made their own tubesets, just the forged items like DOs.......but who knows, weirder things have been dug up out there....

Chombi

you suggesting it is a sticker got me a little perturbed so went down and took the forks off the bike and NO sticker just stamped into the metal stearing tube the following BREV Campagnola-Lg-200-(dametersign o with slash through it) 2.54 x 24F.
this is certainly no decal or sticker, its the real deal.

Sounds like you are talking about the headset. Post a picture.

you suggesting it is a sticker got me a little perturbed so went down and took the forks off the bike and NO sticker just stamped into the metal stearing tube the following BREV Campagnola-Lg-200-(dametersign o with slash through it) 2.54 x 24F.
this is certainly no decal or sticker, its the real deal.

Campagnolo made a steering column for use with their headsets, They also made dropouts to go with their derailleurs and hubs, bosses for their shifters and some other minor frame fittings. However they did not make tubesets, frames or forks. Only the steering column on your fork (and possibly the dropouts) are Campagnolo.

Campy corkscrews are better because they use the finest bearings (ones that no one else can buy) and you can rebuild them. When you use it, it will be tight at first because of the close tolerances, but it will get better over time.

True. They wear in, as your liver wears out.

T-MAR thank you for the info. Dropouts are campagnola came with the bike. My brother has the same bike and four other freinds. We all bought them when we worked at International Cycles warehouse in Concord Ont. Nice summer job. Are they rare?

I was in a bike shop that has a Cannondale for sale, an older model that has a Campagnolo decal on it, on the top tube, large and very visible. The decal is definitely under the clear coat of the OEM paint. The bike had Campy components front to rear, including Ypsilon rims on Campy hubs. They've since been replaced for the most part with 600 tricolor in places. It's clearly a Cannondale, but the decal is clearly under the OEM clear coat. Was it perhaps a promotional thing?

Campagnolo made a steering column for use with their headsets, They also made dropouts to go with their derailleurs and hubs, bosses for their shifters and some other minor frame fittings. However they did not make tubesets, frames or forks. Only the steering column on your fork (and possibly the dropouts) are Campagnolo.
There's something new that I learned....but why would Campagnolo bother with making steering tubes and not go all they way with a full tubeset??? Only thing they make that touches the steering tube would be the top race and lock nuts, but I have not heard that there were problems with other tube manufacturer's not coming up to Campagnolo required tolerances. Like I said, the weirdest things can still be dug up out there...
A frameset with a Campy steerer tube is still NOT a "Campagnolo" frameset. It just has Campagnolo parts in it.

Chombi

T-MAR thank you for the info. Dropouts are campagnola came with the bike. My brother has the same bike and four other freinds. We all bought them when we worked at International Cycles warehouse in Concord Ont. Nice summer job. Are they rare?

Oh, that makes sense. Favorit were quite rare, except during the early 1970s, in the Toronto region (and I imagine eastern Europe). Favorit was "the bargin" in a Campagnolo Nuovo Record equipped bicycle during the early 1970s boom. BTW, I recall it being International Bicycle Company (IBC) as opposed to International Cycles. I recall them having an International house brand with the bicycles being made by Garlatti in Italy and Bridgestone in Japan, possibly others. Is this the same company, or am I confusing two different companies?

I was in a bike shop that has a Cannondale for sale, an older model that has a Campagnolo decal on it, on the top tube, large and very visible. The decal is definitely under the clear coat of the OEM paint. The bike had Campy components front to rear, including Ypsilon rims on Campy hubs. They've since been replaced for the most part with 600 tricolor in places. It's clearly a Cannondale, but the decal is clearly under the OEM clear coat. Was it perhaps a promotional thing?

Athena components, blue and White with Camapgnolo logo on the lower, seat tube? If so, that's a circa 1990 SR900.

I've been thinking of getting Campagnola tattooed on my whatzit.

I've been thinking of getting Campagnoli tattooed on my whatzit.

Hmm.

The Campagnolo steerer tube as part of the Record headsets in Catalog 16.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/k4drd/Bicycles/Catalog16Headsets.jpg

It only takes one letter, man.

Hmm.

...but I didn't want them to misspell it.

It only takes one letter, man.

Yes, and it'd be permanant!

T-MAR Always known it as Internationl Cycle 30+YEARS ago hard to remeber, I do remember they did sell a house brand. Will post picture of my bike later today.

Oh, that makes sense. Favorit were quite rare, except during the early 1970s, in the Toronto region (and I imagine eastern Europe).

If you include entry level racers they likely sold throughout Europe. At least a school chum of mine had an entry level Favorit in the early 80's.

There's something new that I learned....but why would Campagnolo bother with making steering tubes and not go all they way with a full tubeset??? Only thing they make that touches the steering tube would be the top race and lock nuts, but I have not heard that there were problems with other tube manufacturer's not coming up to Campagnolo required tolerances. Like I said, the weirdest things can still be dug up out there...
A frameset with a Campy steerer tube is still NOT a "Campagnolo" frameset. It just has Campagnolo parts in it.

Chombi

Only God and Tullio know (and that's not to infer they're the same person). Seriously, it appears to have been related to the Italian threading, as the steerer did not come in any other thread standards. The steerer was offered during the boom, when Reynolds was considered the best tubeset by North Americans. Many Italian builders used Reynolds on their top frames to ensure penetration of the profitable North American market, but Reynolds steerers were only offered in French and English threading at the time, so I assume it was to allow Italian builders the option of using Reynolds or other non-Italian tubesets, without the extra expense of buying non-threaded columns and having to thread them (those Campagnolo dies aren't cheap).

That makes a lot of sense! Thanks for the clarification T-Mar!


Chombi