Mountain Biking - Help. Geometry and Forks
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11-11-02, 11:57 AM
OK, now ive narrowed my search down to two bikes, Im curious which one has the better specs. And given I buy the full bike, what fork would be good to exchange for the one thats already on there. Would 5 inches mess up their geometry?
The Bikes are the bottom line 03 enduro, and the bottom line 03 kona dawg. There is only a $100 difference between the two bikes 1599 and 1699 US. The enduro has a xt rear d, while the kona has an lx rear d. Im not too knowledgable about the other componentry, so thats why im asking you guys. Which bike has the better components for the money?
My next question is. Both bikes have low end forks. Spec. has a Marzocchi MX comp, and the Kona has a Marzocchi EXR. Like I said I would like a 5 inch travel fork, preferably adjustable travel, with good stiffness. I just want to replace the one on the bike with another from the shop. Im not looking for a top of the line fork, just something a bit better than the ones I mentioned. As I said before, would changing to a 5 inch travel fork mess up either of these bikes geometry?
Lastly, is the enduro capable of the same level of hits as the dawg?
11-11-02, 01:14 PM
I assume both could handle 5 inches. I know the Dawg can for sure. Personally I think the Dawg is better for handling hits regardless of componentry. (xt is better than lx)
11-11-02, 02:03 PM
You are going to get alot of people that will tell you to get the kona here. The thing is, neither of these bikes are going to fail on you. They will both be able to preform the same drops, and I assume that you arent going to be doing any huge stuff anyway. The enduro has the fox shock with the itch switch for travel adjustments while riding, which is an added bonus. The enduro also has a 9mm axle up front, which is stronger but you probably wouldent break a regular QR anyway. Both bikes will (i see no problem) be able to handle a 130mm fork also. I'd get the specialized....just because I have owned 4 of their bikes and they rule.
11-11-02, 02:38 PM
Have you had a chance to ride either?. Comfort would be a plus here. I agree with Klein when it comes to equal things. (He is talking me about of my blind worship of Kona ;)) Hop on both and try them out. If you can't find any, look harder because both bikes feel different and you don't want to put that kind of cash on a lemon for comfort. :)
11-11-02, 02:47 PM
they both look pretty solid to me. specialized is solid but do put out lemons, and kona is over rated, but none the less make solid bikes. They're equal on specs although i think the edge goes to the kona. If you can see which one fits the best go with that one
11-11-02, 07:44 PM
Yeah, im gonna test ride both of em and see which I like better comfort wise. Personally, i dont care about not having xt components. I ratherpay less, break those parts and replace with better stuff.
What my real question is; what is a good fork to switch out for the marzocchi exr (kona) or the marzocchi mx (specialized)?
11-11-02, 08:12 PM
Well I only use marzocchi. I don't like any rock shoxx makes except for the boxxxxxxxxer ;). Manitou...don't see anyone riding those except for the dorado. This year they are making what looks to be a wicked fork - the sherman. But in reality 1st year as a 6 inch single crown. I would wwait and see. I hear good things about fox but I have written two letter to them requestin information and recommendations and neither were responded to. I refuse to deal with a company with that kind of pr. So now for marzocchi.
How much are you will to spend. Marz makes some of the best sc forks in 5 inches. The best imo is the z1 fr (2003 comes fully upgraded and will be an unbelievable fork). It has a lockout with 2inches (I think maybe 1 inch) of travel.
The other fork I would say would be the 2003 dj series. They have 3 forks depending on how much tech you want and how much money you have.
Originally the dj were tortionally stiffer due to the thicker stantions (sp) at 32mm but this year the z1 and dj series come with 32 mm stantions (sp). According to people who ride both the dj's are stiffer than the z1. This makes the z1 better for trail riding and hits (where you want to the fork to compress) where the dj don't compress as easily making it better for jumps ad bigger drops. This also means that riding trails would be hard on your hands and shoulders.
As for the lx vs xt. I don't think I will ever go about lx. I don't race and I break parts often. EXCEPT the rear hub. The xt hub is more durable than anything less than it. :)
11-11-02, 10:52 PM
Well as for how much I want to spend.......Say I go for the Spec. Enduro which will run about 1700. Is it possible for the LBS to take off the fork that is on there and switch it with something else? If they were, and say the fork that was on there costs a total of about 250, I would be willing spend another 150 on top of that bring the cost of the bike with the new fork to 1850.
I like the looks of the Z1, and the DJ sounds nice as well. What do each of those retail for? I checked the marzocchi site, and prices of course arent listed.
11-11-02, 11:13 PM
They aren't listed because it is a euro company :)...
I think for value and durability the dj3 is you best bet.
A reputable company with cheap prices. This should give you a good idea
The exr is 200$ american as far as I know. I put a down payment on a 2002 z1 because it was cheap but I still plan to buy a dj fork next year. The biggest diff is the lockout feature which is useful but may or may not be used (most people I talk to don't even use the lockout :))
11-11-02, 11:50 PM
Whether or not an LBS would swap out a fork for you is an issue that differs from shop to shop. Just being on a bike, even if it never left the floor takes value off a fork because the steer tube has already been cut to a custom length, so if they do, expect them to cut a little off the retail price in the trade-in. If they won't trade there are a lot of people who buy bottom end bikes with Rock Shox judys that would love a discount on an upgrade, so you shouldn't lose too much.
As far as the bikes, I'm kinda a fan of the four-bar linkage like on the Kona for it's firm and controlled ride, especially while climbing, but I can't knock the Specialized, having never ridden one. Except for the shifters, they seem pretty similar, except the Specialized uses more in-house parts, which can be good or bad. Bottom line: try them out if you can.
11-12-02, 12:33 AM
Thanks for the input and the web-links. And just our of curiosity......if I wasnt able to switch out a fork on the enduro; is the Marzocchi MX comp a good fork? What would it be capable of?
11-12-02, 12:54 AM
Heres a hint...
2003 mx comp is now the cheapest marzocchi fork. The exr no longer exists. ;) Just like the z5 is no longer around which has been replaced by the exr. There are small differences but in the end it isn't that big a difference between the years. :)
They are decent and will be durable enough to start with. Mine lasted a season and could last another if I didn't want to take my riding to a new level. It will be good for aggro xc and light freeriding :)
11-12-02, 01:03 AM
What do you guys consider "light freeriding?" Would light be in the realm of 2 to 7 foot drops? I just want a fork that will give me confidence. I dont want to be worrying about breaking anything, or having to replace anything.
11-12-02, 02:26 AM
Yep...that is light (6-7 ft to flat is rough on the bike though while tranny drops will be easier on the bike). Depending on how you land you could break either fork. But they should be fine. you will break any fork landing wrong. Always better to break a cheap fork figuring it out then an expensive one. When you get better then worry about the 700 to 1500$ forks :)
11-12-02, 02:52 AM
wow, just noticed you live in whistler. Your one lucky SOB. Seems like I have to use up a quarter tank of gas just to get to a good riding spot where Im located . All you have to do is ride out your front door.
If we could just move whistler to the states. I could live there and not live in Canada at the same time:D juuuuussssstttttt kiddddiing
11-13-02, 03:00 PM
Thats fine we think the same thing of Moab or Aspens. We want more of that here but aren't willing to live in America ;)
It is good. I have an endless supply of top quality trails just outside my front door. I also have the Shore, Pemberton and Nelson all within a few hours of me. :)...
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