I've been trying to be car-lite as much as possible the last 6 or 7 months. I've been doing really well. I use my bike for the grocery store, to go to University, friends places, other stores, etc. I might use my car once every 2 or 3 weeks...for a short trip for some reason. Also, I've used it to go home a few times (3 hour drive round trip). Altogether, I've saved a lot of money, put a ton less wear and tear on my car, and have helped the environment. I really do enjoy helping do my part in not contributing to air pollution. This is the main reason I am trying to go car-lite.
I don't have any sort of carrying capacity, other than a messenger bag, which sucks. I want an Xtracycle but I don't want to spend that kind of money, yet. So sometimes this is when I do use my car.
But there are other times that I use my car, and this is where I feel guilty. For instance, if its late, and I'm tired from biking alot or from biking/working out... and my friends want me to join them at a club. Most of the time I bike, but there have been a few times I have driven.
During these times that I drive, I think to myself... if I didn't have a car, then I probably just wouldn't go to the club. I think sometimes, that having a car just enables me to do alot more in life, more than I really NEED to do. In a way it just adds more stress to my life, because otherwise I would just not go out and relax.
Recently, I've been dating a girl, who actually likes to bike to most places... I never thought I would meet someone like this its amazing. So this is good, but at the same time, since she doesn't have a car, I can see how I might be using my car more. I've thought about this some... how much am I willing to budge from my car-lite attitude, with this girl? For instance she wants to go rockclimbing outdoors this week...and biking would take awhile to get there.
And now an even bigger thing is coming up in my life. I've basically decided to join this band, that is about a 15 minute drive from my place. I will probably be making 2 trips to this location a week. So thats around 60 minutes of driving a week. This would make me SO not car-lite! UGH!
I feel kinda guilty about this. Its a really good band, and I feel lucky/priviledged to be in the situation that I"m in, to play with these people... I've been playing music for awhile, and have only dreamed about being in a band... and now I feel guilty, because its intefering with my car-lite attitude.
The reason I like to be car-lite, is for the environment....but now I"m wondering how much of my life should I sacrifice for the environment? Should I just feel okay that I have to drive to this band practice for the time being, and just make sure that I bike/walk to most places that I can? In other words, should I just change my attitude, and just do my best in being car-lite when I can... and not worry about this other stuff?
I mean, if everyone in our country would bike/walk to places within 5 miles of them, they would cut out a ton of trips by car. Even if these same people made a few trips by car a week, thats still a ton less air pollution and environmental toxins.
So the guilt is still with me. I sometimes catch myself thinking... 100 years ago I probably wouldn't even have joined this band... but then I think, "Am I crazy? This is modern life, and people use cars!". So I'm having a lot of conflicting arguments.
attercoppe
02-19-06, 11:11 PM
I'm sure many many people, both here and offline, can give you their opinion on this. But you'll have to decide for yourself where your priorities lie, and whether or not you are comfortable driving more. I for one congratulate you on your concientiousness, and thank you for driving so little. I'm not, however, going to suggest that you should or should not drive more for your girlfriend, your band, or anything else - that's a personal decision. It sounds like you know the pros and cons, go with what you feel is right and/or acceptable.
Blue Order
02-19-06, 11:15 PM
Well, this is a living car-free forum, and I don't actually have a car now-- haven't had one for the last 3 years-- but I don't see a problem with using a car when it's the right tool for the job. My own plan, when I do get a car (or cars) again, will be to have a biodiesel burner for long-distance hauls, an electric conversion for around town use, and ride my bicycle when it makes the most sense.
CagerTools
02-19-06, 11:18 PM
Attercoppe- Thanks, yeah I think I'm going to just weigh this out, and go with what feels right to me.
Blue Order - I really like your idea of biodiesel. I think this maybe my future, with car use. I'm going to reseach more into it. I definitely wouldn't feel AS bad using biodiesel...
I'm kinda a perfectionist, so I really like to be completely car-free or nothing at all. But I think just trying my best...and biking to as many places that I can, will still help out. I'll also keep being conscious of decisions of where I live/work/play...so I can cut out reliance on the car as much as possible.
attercoppe
02-19-06, 11:21 PM
I think just trying my best...and biking to as many places that I can, will still help out. I'll also keep being conscious of decisions of where I live/work/play...so I can cut out reliance on the car as much as possible.
That's what I mean - you're doing well to be thinking about it like that. That's so much more than most people do. Remember you can always come here for moral support and solutions to specific challenges!
KrisPistofferson
02-19-06, 11:39 PM
Kiddie trailer.
Blue Order
02-19-06, 11:40 PM
But I think just trying my best...and biking to as many places that I can, will still help out. I'll also keep being conscious of decisions of where I live/work/play...so I can cut out reliance on the car as much as possible.That's how I see it. Make the right choices, and things fall into place. No need, in my opinion, to feel guilty if you're making a minimal impact on this planet, and one of the tools you use, when it's the right tool for the job, is a car.
K6-III
02-19-06, 11:48 PM
When the system is flawed, there is only so much you can do to still have a life.
Only through proper urban design can a car-free life be not only healthy and inexpensive, but convenient.
patc
02-20-06, 10:13 AM
My opinion is that the ideal is zero car use in urban centres (car as in personal use motor vehicle). That being said, the big problem is with people commuting to and from work every day - if you can avoid that, you are already making a huge difference. One of our local TV news anchors is a big advocate of this - she lives out in the 'burbs, but drives to the nearest bus station and takes the bus in to the city.
It does sounds like a bike trailer would help you out a lot.
srrs
02-20-06, 10:50 AM
can you bus? car-free doesn't have to equal a) biking or b) completely vehicle-free... it can mean walking, running, rollerskating, bussing, etc.. even carpooling (i.e. getting others to pick you up when they're going that way anyway) is a valid way of being car free, in my opinion.
Roody
02-20-06, 10:54 AM
CagerTools, I think that some of the problem is with the way cities are set up these days. People shouldn't have to drive in the city, but this is a difficult goal in most cities in the US, Canada, and many other countries.
In your case, there should be feasible public transportation -- busses or trains that run frequently and reliably, all night long. We should have easy legal mechanisms for setting up car sharing cooperatives and partnerships. For example, the band you're in should be able to purchase a van cooperatively without going through all kinds of red tape, but I bet you can't.
I don't know how we'll turn all these shoulds into realities. I think we might have to wait for enough people to join us in demanding (and paying for) sane alternatives to private car ownership.
Meanwhile, I think the most important "should" is for people like you and me to continue to think imaginatively about our own alternatives to cars. That's what I mean by my sig below, "Think outside the cage." It sounds like you're already doing that, you're actually quite diligent about it, and I take my helmet off to you as the "Hero of the Week." I'm sure you'll continue to come up with creative solutions. Good Luck! :)
joesmohello
02-20-06, 12:34 PM
Sounds to me like you are taking yourself a bit too seriously. I used to have the "all or nothing" philosophy. As I get older and have more experiences I am realizing that nothing in the world is black or white. As a result, I am slowly becoming more skillful at making compromises without losing my core beliefs or driving myself mad.
Also, there is a lot more to minimizing your footprint on the Earth than car fumes. Maybe by taking a look at your overall life decisions driving an hour or two a week will be a smaller percentage of your polluting (on all levels) and you can feel a little better about it. Just my 2¢ for what it's worth.
chicbicyclist
02-20-06, 02:38 PM
I am car-lite. The Bike has its place(short to medium travels), and car(longer ones), too or I use long distance trains/buses, depending on where I need to go. Rock climbing in a remote place, or if you're carrying tons of equipment over long distances will obviously need a car. Get a very efficient one, like those hybrids, if you feel guilty about owning one, or ditch the car altogether and just rent.
DigitalQuirk
02-20-06, 03:18 PM
What are you driving? If your car was built within the past 15 years and you've been keeping up on maintenance (replacing emission control components as they fail, as will be indicated by the check engine light), I wouldn't worry too much about the pollution aspect. Ontario's Drive Clean program has demonstrated that modern cars with functioning emission control components actually produce very little pollution.
If it's an older car, or one that isn't cleaning its exhaust as it should, then you can alleviate that guilt by either a) replacing the car, or b) replacing the failed emission control component(s).
In either case, both the bike and the car are simply modes of transportation. I would use each as the situation dictates. I know I certainly would rather relax behind the wheel of a car rather than pedal a bike after a day of rock climbing! The car is also preferred for more...intimate situations. ;) On the other hand, I prefer my bikes for quick and light trips, as well as for exploring new trails and routes. I hope to add commuting on nice days to that (rather short) list.
cerewa
02-20-06, 04:21 PM
What are you driving? If your car was built within the past 15 years and you've been keeping up on maintenance (replacing emission control components as they fail, as will be indicated by the check engine light), I wouldn't worry too much about the pollution aspect.
To some extent you're right. But one of the reasons I try to minimize car use is carbon dioxide emissions.
No matter what measures engineers take, if your car gets 30 miles per gallon of fossil fuels it's emitting quite a bit of carbon dioxide every time it drives 30 miles. This is one of the reasons I consider Honda and some other companies to be deceiving us somewhat: a super-ultra-low-emissions-vehicle like the honda accord actually puts out more carbon dioxide than an economy car which fails to get a "low emission vehicle" rating.
In my city there's a kiddie trailer for sale on craiglist.org - maybe in your city too. Would that make it possible for you to go to your band practices on a bike?
I used to bike around with an acoustic guitar and a violin in a camping backpack sometimes. :) Still don't have a trailer, though.
smithers
02-20-06, 05:03 PM
what do you play in your band? i play bass and i have a gig bag with backpack straps so i can ride my bike to practice; i'm lucky, though, that there is already an amp where i practice. is there any way you can leave your gear, or at least the bulky gear, where you play?
Blue Order
02-20-06, 05:13 PM
To some extent you're right. But one of the reasons I try to minimize car use is carbon dioxide emissions.
No matter what measures engineers take, if your car gets 30 miles per gallon of fossil fuels it's emitting quite a bit of carbon dioxide every time it drives 30 miles. This is one of the reasons I consider Honda and some other companies to be deceiving us somewhat: a super-ultra-low-emissions-vehicle like the honda accord actually puts out more carbon dioxide than an economy car which fails to get a "low emission vehicle" rating.The CO2 emissions are what make biodiesel a superior choice. Of course, biodiesel also emits CO2, but the difference is the biodiesel is not emitting fossil carbon. It's the net increase of carbon to the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels that is causing global climate change. With biofuels, you're still emitting carbon, but it's carbon that was recycled from the atmosphere last growing season, meaning you're not adding to the buildup of carbon in the atmosphere.
Tha'ts why my goal is to have a biodiesel-fueled vehicle for longer trips, an electric conversion vehicle for around town trips (when a bike just doesn't cut it), and a bicycle when it makes the most sense. Heavy emphasis on walking and cycling, public transit when it makes sense, and zero-to-low emissions vehicles when I need them.
Blue Order
02-20-06, 05:15 PM
Sounds to me like you are taking yourself a bit too seriously. I used to have the "all or nothing" philosophy. As I get older and have more experiences I am realizing that nothing in the world is black or white. As a result, I am slowly becoming more skillful at making compromises without losing my core beliefs or driving myself mad.
Also, there is a lot more to minimizing your footprint on the Earth than car fumes. Maybe by taking a look at your overall life decisions driving an hour or two a week will be a smaller percentage of your polluting (on all levels) and you can feel a little better about it. Just my 2¢ for what it's worth.+1
CagerTools
02-20-06, 07:35 PM
Thanks for all the great replies.
I'm really not sure it would be feasible to bike to practice, as I think I would have to take the highway there for awhile...thats the problem. I could look into it I guess...it would be a LONG bike ride, and I do have a backpack acoustic guitar case, so I could make it work. I'll have to google and check the route.
I'm not sure of the bus routes either, as I never have to travel somewhere by bus, everywhere I go I just take my bike... but I can look into that.
I'm driving an early 90's camry xle. Its maintained really well.
I'm going to look into some more stuff and see what I can do.
rajman
02-20-06, 08:23 PM
I have also had quite a few concerns about my "car-lite" experience, particularly these last six months in Calgary.
In Toronto, I do have use of a car, which I drive about 1000 km a year in the city (+ another 3-4000 km driving on average per year to Montreal, the Maritimes, Chicago, Boston, etc various trips over the years).
I drive to work about once a month (round trip - 3km), and to the supermarket maybe once every two weeks (also 3 km - with three other people in the vehicle).
Driving this way, while it does generate pollution (including CO2) is definitely a lot lower than the average emissions for USA/Canada.
If you are concerned about carbon dioxide, there are a lot of things that you can do, and driving less is definitely one of them. I don't think you need to beat yourself up over the idea that you do drive sometimes. Try drying your clothes on a clothesline or drying rack - you'll save the CO2 emissions for a short car trip (plus ca$h), or buy efficient appliances (the fridge is a big power hog).
Ride whenever it suits you and be proud that the bike is your primary (even if it's not your only) means of transportation.
My $0.02
Rajman
Anthony87
02-20-06, 10:28 PM
you should only feel guilt if you live in a semi-bike friendly city. i live in a town where there are 20,000 people and usally i'm the only one that commute it was tough not to just drive my car on a 20 degree morning. i have a burly nomad to get my grocerys and i don't have any guilt, it just took a commitment. is there a indoor gym around for climbing? i have to drive 30 min to the gym. i respect your passion for the environment and general concerns.
Roody
02-21-06, 11:28 AM
To some extent you're right. But one of the reasons I try to minimize car use is carbon dioxide emissions.
No matter what measures engineers take, if your car gets 30 miles per gallon of fossil fuels it's emitting quite a bit of carbon dioxide every time it drives 30 miles. This is one of the reasons I consider Honda and some other companies to be deceiving us somewhat: a super-ultra-low-emissions-vehicle like the honda accord actually puts out more carbon dioxide than an economy car which fails to get a "low emission vehicle" rating. . . .
This is a good point. Add to that the energy used to build cars, and the pollution produced in that process. i live in a city with several auto plant, and this place stinks!
Another problem is disposal of cars. In some countries, those who make cars are also responsible for disposing of them. This law enables and encourages recycling, but here in the US, many parts of a car end up incinerated or in a landfill.
cerewa
02-21-06, 11:44 AM
The CO2 emissions are what make biodiesel a superior choice.
Absolutely. Now if only those bicycle motor kits came in a diesel version.
chicbicyclist
02-21-06, 03:16 PM
They already come in electric, battery powered versions. In fact, I have one installed on my only bicycle that I have converted for utility/commuter use.
cerewa
02-22-06, 11:46 AM
They already come in electric, battery powered versions.
Yeah, but I think my electricity comes mostly from coal, and switching to a wind supplier (which my electric company allows) doesn't seem like the best use of my environmentalist bucks to me.
DigitalQuirk
02-22-06, 02:51 PM
Yeah, but I think my electricity comes mostly from coal, and switching to a wind supplier (which my electric company allows) doesn't seem like the best use of my environmentalist bucks to me.
Another thing that's often overlooked is the fact that a modern internal combustion chamber is actually a more efficient use of energy than an electric motor in an electric vehicle. Consider that every time energy changes form (ie; from chemical or mechanical to electrical), you lose energy. With an electric vehicle, you usually go from chemical (ie; heat produced from burning coal) to mechanical (a steam-driven turbine of sorts) to electrical, then to chemical as it's stored in the batteries, then back to mechanical. With an internal combustion engine, you're going straight from chemical to mechanical. You end up burning a lot more coal for the electric powered vehicle to make up for the losses that add up each time it changes state, when compared to a gas powered vehicle.
In other words, why not simply go for a motorbike or even a scooter?
Another problem is disposal of cars. In some countries, those who make cars are also responsible for disposing of them. This law enables and encourages recycling, but here in the US, many parts of a car end up incinerated or in a landfill.
Actually, many parts of modern cars are recycled and don't contribute nearly as much to landfills as does the overpackaging of goods. I will probably enounter several times the volume of my car in plastic packaging and styrofoam that cannot be recycled over the useful life of my car. Again, my suggestion is if your concern is with landfills, you go after the bigger contributors first and work down from there.
That said, here is evidence that at least one American-based car company has been actively increasing the recyclability of their cars, and this was over twelve (!) years ago:
"Plastics pose one of the most significant challenges in vehicle recycling," Yester explained. "We've attempted to address this in the Neon by labeling as many components as possible for recycling with SAE designations, and to design plastic components to increase their recyclability. This can include how the plastic parts are designed for disassembly when the vehicle is ready for scrapping, or engineering the components with as few plastic compounds as possible which may impede the recycling process. Examples of these include use of plastics which may not be shredded together, or other assembly pieces which may make disassembly difficult, such as plastic and metal combinations in components."
Yester also said that the Neon will use more components made from recycled materials than any other Chrysler product to date. In all, the Neon will hove recycled materials in more than 30 major assemblies or components.
Source: http://www.allpar.com/neon/neonenv.html
Google is your friend...;)
Brad M
02-22-06, 02:54 PM
rig up some solar panels to your shed (or wherever) and recharge your bike off them.
AlanK
02-22-06, 05:09 PM
I think you are on the right track. The major problems associated with autos are using them for the daily commute: This creates traffic, pollution, stress, etc. Using a car to carry stuff you that too big to transport via bicycle is what they should be used for. If you only drive a couple times a week, I don't see it as a huge problem.
I mean I think it's always better to be completely car free, but anything you do to even reduce auto usage is A+.
Caspar_s
02-22-06, 05:11 PM
Look at it this way - you will not be doing this long term - if you do, you can move closer to the band etc. Drive now while you can, whilst looking to see where/how you can cut down on the driving. Maybe you'll find somewhere to rent that is closer, or you'll find a bus/train that will take most of the journey.
It is still car light if you're only doing it twice a week - rather than every single day including trips after the days work commute/school commute.
Don't miss an opportunity because you didn't want to mess up your car-lite "record"
It's great you're thinking this way anyway.
chicbicyclist
02-22-06, 11:22 PM
Electric power is easilly derived from alternative sources, and some countries, and even the US is already doing so. It can only get better from here on out. Electric bikes and smaller electric vehicles>still cleaner than a two ton automobile that runs on gas for moving a single person, no matter how much rhetoric you use, add the fact that they already use filters on most US coal electric plants. Don't forget that the energy lost during trasfer from one form to another is offset by the higher efficiency of electric motors to turn energy into actual motion.
0o0o0o
02-26-06, 07:03 PM
BUY AN XTRACYCLE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you'll use your bike more if you have one.
If I were in your situation i'd take my girlfriend rock climbing on the weekend and drive to band practice. those are two things i'd never feel bad about. Live up and be free of your guilt I'd say. I'm assuming your young MOST of the kids I know do that much driving in a night just riding around smoking pot.
CagerTools
02-26-06, 09:42 PM
I did check out those extracycle...but I don't think they fit my bike. I'm going to have to go to my LBS and see what they can do. In the meantime, I got this front detachable basket that I can snap on for extra carrying capacity. I don't know why, but I feel kinda lame with it.... but I think thats just cuz I haven't used it and I'm holding onto negative stereotypes.
Anyways, I'm going to just keep on with what I"m doing. Using my bike most places...and driving here and there if I need to.
I'm actually 24. But I've had this mindset for a few years now.
My burning question though. Why don't we legalize hemp and grow thousands upon thousands of acres of it...use it for biofuel, and food/clothing/etc. It doesn't have THC, and you can harvest it 2-3 times a year... 1 acre of it is equivalent to 4 acres of trees...which you can only harvest once every 25 years. Not to mention its good for the soil...
I wish our government would wake the F up.
0o0o0o
02-27-06, 06:41 PM
What size is your bike? did you know that xtracycle's come in two sizes 700 and 26" ? The MTB size is preferred by most (if you have a bike to fit it of course).
+1 on the hemp. I'm slowly replacing my clothes and linens with hemp goods.
Blue Order
02-27-06, 07:15 PM
Thanks for the tip on the xtracycle! I think I may have to convert a bike one day...