Training & Nutrition - Zero Coca Cola

Gday all just wondering is the new zero coke alright to drink while trying to loose weight.
cheers
Graham

it has aspartame. i wouldn't drink it.

cutting out soft drinks and fast food does one a world of good. whether it's "diet" or not.

On one hand people say diet is better than regular if you have to drink the regular. But from what I understand Aspartame can increase cravings, so while it might save you the sugar that you would usually drink, you might end up eating more as a result.

I was at the grocery store the other day and witnessed a funny phenomenon. Several carts that had diet soda in them were also filled with full-fat chips.

Water is the best drink I have discovered for losing weight.

Sandy

Gday all just wondering is the new zero coke alright to drink while trying to loose weight.
cheers
Graham

Not unless you want to subject yourself to harmful chemicals (aspartame). Go down to the whole foods/new seasons/local health store and get yourself some Kombucha, fizzy acidic goodness!

Get rid of the soda, full sugar fruit juices, sweetened tea, and such. That alone is probably good for 10-20 lbs personally. Don't substitute; change.

I have switched to all water. Once you get used to not having the flavor, it is much better.

It can mess with your food cravings; so best not overdue it. However, if you were a huge pop drinker (like several per day) switching to having one diet pop (and some water) might be easier than going "cold turkey."

Flame away… but aspartame is not that bad if you look at the research with an open mind. The toxic rearrangement byproducts are produced in minute quantities... far less than what you would find in a piece of fruit (even an organic one).

It can mess with your food cravings; so best not overdue it. However, if you were a huge pop drinker (like several per day) switching to having one diet pop (and some water) might be easier than going "cold turkey."

Flame away… but aspartame is not that bad if you look at the research with an open mind. The toxic rearrangement byproducts are produced in minute quantities... far less than what you would find in a piece of fruit (even an organic one).

Most of the research I have done with an open mind shows that its a carcinogen-

I don't drink very many soft drinks, but Diet Rite has Spenda in it. This is supposed to be much better than aspartame but I don't drink over 3 or 4 per week.

Al

Looks like the almonds, walnuts and peanuts have rendered an opinion. Aspartame and corn syrup are evil. Water is good, just don't drink too much or your sodium will go to low and you might die. Calories from (***) are bad, calories from (###) are good.Fill in the blanks as per various. I did start wondering a few years ago about all that phosphate in certain types of soft drinks and its possible contribution to osteoporosis in the susceptible over extended periods.
Steve

I replaced soda and most juice with carbonated/flavored water. :)

Losing weight is a matter of expending more calories than you consume. Coke Zero, Diet Pepsi, etc. all have virtually no calories. Drink with abandon - unless the caffeine bothers you.

Pay no mind to those who simply repeat the same old internet FUD. If any of it were true, I'd be dead by now.

BTW, Coke Zero is basically a slightly altered Diet Coke marketed toward young men. Men have typically rejected products labeled "Diet" anything. Seen a Diet Beer lately?

It can mess with your food cravings; so best not overdue it. However, if you were a huge pop drinker (like several per day) switching to having one diet pop (and some water) might be easier than going "cold turkey."
Flame away… but aspartame is not that bad if you look at the research with an open mind. The toxic rearrangement byproducts are produced in minute quantities... far less than what you would find in a piece of fruit (even an organic one).
no flaming, but there has been mounting evidence to the point of overwhelming that aspartame, even in moderate dosage, can have disasterous effects on health. Like MSG, people have varying responses to dosages, some react badly to very small amounts. From MS-like symptoms, to lupus, to heart and circulatory disease symptoms and numerous other consequences, its hard to put aside its possible harmful effects.
One effect not greatly highlighted are the symptoms of heart disease. Heart palpitations and atriole fib, pains in the chest, down the left side and arm, tingling finger tips are also possible signs of aspartame toxiscity.

here's a page thats a basic intro to harmful claims (http://www.bragg.com/healthinfo/aspartameFS.html) at the page bottom are a few links for much more extensive info. The aspartamekills site does go over the top on sensationalism, but that aside, the info is compelling. The other sites are more straightforward.
I do have personal experience with the MS symptoms and some circulatory/heart symptoms. Quite some years back I was a consistent but not heavy user of nutraweet. Add in some light use of diet drinks and this brought me to MS type symptoms. This actually was a major reason for my departure from competitive cycling in my mid-late 40s.
I'm not clear anymore what lead me to look at my aspartame use as linked to this, but I will say that within less than a month of getting off nutrasweet and diet drinks, the MS symptoms were in major remission. Within 2 months I was symptom free.
I was lucky. I've been symptom clear for over 7 years, back on the bike and getting serious competitive again. I enjoy my sugarly treats, stay away completely from any aspartame and most all processed foods.
I understand that there is a pilot's association very much into the anti-aspartame thing as well as being a clearing house for info. Why? Pilots are major users of diet drinks, for the caffeine and need to stay alert in their job. Many have also gone through the laundry list of aspartame ills.
Do what you will, but know that many consider this a more dangerous thing than tabacco smoke. Myself having lucked out and learned the hard way.

For Weight loss there is really no easy ride. You either get control of your cravings or you go from one frustration to another. You either use and burn what you eat or carry it around.

BTW - the oil companies are like 'Mother Teresa' compared to Monsanto and some other Chem companies.

grape juice.... you need grape juice... and not the kind with sugar added... aspertame will make you wacko from what i read.... a landlord i had once proved that...

grape juice.... you need grape juice... and not the kind with sugar added... aspertame will make you wacko from what i read.... a landlord i had once proved that...
And we'll close the case with this statistical evidence of 1 case. ;)

He didn't ask whether it was healthy, only if it would help him in his quest for weight loss. The drinks themselves contain no calories, therefore it's much better for you (body comp. wise) than a regular soda. Whether or not you choose to avoid the sweeteners is up to you. Water has been a beverage of choice for most living organisms for, you know - a couple million years. Seems to have worked.

Gday all .. I am a mad coke drinker i can drink anything up to 2liters a day (not every day but some) I cant stand diet coke but dont mind zero. I do a fair bit of riding in the last month and a half I have ridden over 1000 klm. A week off in that for bike repairs. I am hoping to just get to drinking plain water.But was just wondering while comeing of coke would zero be a good choice
cheers
Graham

I have been drinking a lot less soda and switched to water and green tea.

One thing I noticed is that when I stopped drinking all that soda that my overall fluid intake was much less during the day.. The more soda I drank the more thirsty it made me..

Get rid of the soda, full sugar fruit juices, sweetened tea, and such. That alone is probably good for 10-20 lbs personally. Don't substitute; change.


+1 here

I dropped all sugary drinks except when actually on the bike

no soda (well, I drink diet soda)
no sugar in coffee
no added sugar to anything
cut my bread intake way down
no chocolates and stuff (maybe 1 or 2 a month)


I dropped 20lbs in no time...like 2 months without trying
and now, sweet stuff bothers me


as for aspartame...sheesh...the stuff is harmless. you people did enough
research to find the 'scary news info' on how bad the stuff is...for crying
out loud your own body produces more toxins (formaldehyde and others)
than your intake of aspartame will do, unless you drink 40 liters of soda a day.

newsflash. 40 liters of orange juice will be worse.

aspartame dangers are pretty much internet hoaxes backed by subgeniuses.
I'll rely on the MIT testing results which show it is perfectly safe
(unless you are allergic)

yes it can do all the things fraidy cats run from...in monster doses way beyond
your capacity to drink it.

research to find the 'scary news info' on how bad the stuff is...for crying
out loud your own body produces more toxins (formaldehyde and others)
than your intake of aspartame will do, unless you drink 40 liters of soda a day.



I have a buddy that works at the CDC, and he clued me in on the research that they've done. Basically, the internet scare about aspartame has just enough truth to it to scare people. But in reality, the toxins created are toxins that the body is very efficient at eliminating, and they are produced in a very small amount. He told me that in order for it to be a problem, you'd have to drink 60 cans of soda in less than an hour. The toxins are eliminated so quickly that you would have to slam them that quickly. And that would cause far more immediate problems.

As far as aspartame being a carcinogen, there is no proof. I don't think a couple diet sodas a day is going to cause any problems.

Az

Hey! I own CocaCola stocks and recent the nasty remarks ...Yes you can...drink tons of it! Ehr ...yeah it's good for ya.

I find Zero is the best for cravings. If it comes down to something you want (zero) or perhaps piging out later (due to the fact you have been so restrcitive) the zero definatly wins. Overall, you want to be off soda, but for dieting, to keep yourself sane, Zero should be fine, just don't drink too much, as the splenda/asparateme can give you headaches/make you tired.

Sodas (along with other junk sweet foods) mess up your taste buds, more specifically they numb them, preventing them from regulating your desire for the right varied food your body needs, favoring larger quantities (of junk food and more sodas). Eliminating these from your diet will soon make you appreciate whole foods, tasting better and your appetite will be satisfied with lesser quantities of each.

So it's more than the amount of sugar contained in these drinks that leads to weight gain and obesity, it's the combine effect on these body functions that send a signal to our brain saying: I need more stuff.

Water is all the body needs for hydration.

I have a buddy that works at the CDC, and he clued me in on the research that they've done. Basically, the internet scare about aspartame has just enough truth to it to scare people. But in reality, the toxins created are toxins that the body is very efficient at eliminating, and they are produced in a very small amount. He told me that in order for it to be a problem, you'd have to drink 60 cans of soda in less than an hour. The toxins are eliminated so quickly that you would have to slam them that quickly. And that would cause far more immediate problems.

As far as aspartame being a carcinogen, there is no proof. I don't think a couple diet sodas a day is going to cause any problems.

Az

Those of us who are old enough might remember that aspertame became the diet soda sweetener of choice when a study was published linking saccharine to cancer. And saccharine became the diet soda sweetener of choice when a study linked cyclamates to cancer.

I believe that the link between cyclamates and cancer has recently been shown to be in error. And, the FDA has recently removed saccharine form the list of cancer causing substances.

And anecdotal tales of having some medical complaint resolve itself after abstaining from one thing or another means nothing. Many people recover from some illness coincidentally after self diagnosis convinces them to either take some herbal magic potion or to stop eating some kind of food. They then credit snake toe extract or blame pickled parakeets for their original complaint. Some of these people create web sites to extoll the virtues/evils of their discovery and to admonish the medical profession for ignorance and/or conspiracy with the drug companies, etc.

I think the bad effects of a few Coke Zero's a day might easily offset the bad effects of being overweight. Choose your weapons...

Aspartame originally went through a long legal battle before it was introduced to the marketplace because many felt it was not safe. It was denied from the market for eight years before being introduced.

I dont think your analogy of comparing a man made chemical to fruit is quite fair. If you do some research on the subject and you will see that the similiar compounds found in fruit and aspartame are just that 'similiar' and not the same. Although it has not been proven that aspartame is 'deadly' per se, it definatly has not been proven to be safe.

Just think what was thought to be safe just a few years ago, smoking, asbestos, lead....not to mention all the industrial dumping of chemicals into the rivers/water system.

On a last note, here is one good page but definatly check out the rest of the website-
http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/aspartame.html

I heard that there's some sort of chemical or something in diet soda that, while you won't gain weight drinking it.....it sorta hampers your ability to lose weight while drinking it regularly. I dunno....

Besides, diet soda tastes like **** anyway. I rarely drink soda as it is, but if I'm gonna have some, 1 can of regular soda isn't gonna kill me.

I think the bad effects of a few Coke Zero's a day might easily offset the bad effects of being overweight. Choose your weapons...


or diabetic and suddenly you HAVE to cut sweets

sweet diet drinks can be a mental lifesaver when faced
with sudden (2weeks) onset of diabetes and similar
cases where a person absolutely is faced with living in
this sugary/snacking society and being left out, or
enjoying themselves


it ain't our fault we've been eating sugar since
birth...and blowing out our organs in the
later years as a result...blame the corporations...

[QUOTE=cyclezen]no flaming, but there has been mounting evidence to the point of overwhelming that aspartame, even in moderate dosage, can have disasterous effects on health. ...
here's a page thats a basic intro to harmful claims (http://www.bragg.com/healthinfo/aspartameFS.html) [ QUOTE]

A webpage hawking organic sweetners passes as evidence. It's amazing the stuff that passes for "evidence" and what the conspiracy theory crowd will accept, while rejecting actual,documented, controlled studies, because they were controlled by the Federal government and the evil chemical companies.

I've been drinking diet coke for a good while now, and while my bones may be a little thinner because of it, no massive tumors have popped up yet.

[QUOTE=cyclezen]no flaming, but there has been mounting evidence to the point of overwhelming that aspartame, even in moderate dosage, can have disasterous effects on health. ...
here's a page thats a basic intro to harmful claims (http://www.bragg.com/healthinfo/aspartameFS.html) [ QUOTE]

A webpage hawking organic sweetners passes as evidence. It's amazing the stuff that passes for "evidence" and what the conspiracy theory crowd will accept, while rejecting actual,documented, controlled studies, because they were controlled by the Federal government and the evil chemical companies.

I've been drinking diet coke for a good while now, and while my bones may be a little thinner because of it, no massive tumors have popped up yet.

You also hear stories of people living to the age of 90 and smoking for 70 of those years. Its not guranteed to kill you, but why take the chance when you dont need it (diet substitutes)?

Your posts come across like you are trying to rationalize with yourself or convince yourself that you are right. Its like people that say "why quite smoking, nobody lives forever", a completely TRUE statement albeit not very logical-

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And anecdotal tales of having some medical complaint resolve itself after abstaining from one thing or another means nothing. Many people recover from some illness coincidentally after self diagnosis convinces them to either take some herbal magic potion or to stop eating some kind of food. They then credit snake toe extract or blame pickled parakeets for their original complaint. Some of these people create web sites to extoll the virtues/evils of their discovery and to admonish the medical profession for ignorance and/or conspiracy with the drug companies, etc.

course, you could be right. but then, maybe not.
as for my particular anecdotal tale, I'm much more critical and less likely to whine about this kinda stuff. Considering I was under medical supervision at the time, they were at a loss to ascribe the improvement/'change' to anything else they could note. MS just doesn't disappear... unless it wasn;t MS to begin with...
Some people do go on their own crusades. Me, I'll just tell my story; then I couldn't give a ratz ass what you do after that.
Not everything 'produced' is bad, but in the case of 'better living thru chemistry', there's a high enough percentage of stuff, from Thalidamide to toxic shock tampons, to make me cautious.
Whatever

BTW, Coke Zero is basically a slightly altered Diet Coke marketed toward young men. Men have typically rejected products labeled "Diet" anything. Seen a Diet Beer lately?

OMG THANK YOU!!! It's been driving me NUTS trying to figure out WTF the diff was between diet coke and coke zero... geesh, and I'm in Graphic Design, so I keep a toe in marketing... you'd think I'd have figured that one out!

You have eased my fretful brain :D

Kitty

i've been drinking a lot more Mountain Dewhttp://www.observedtrials.net/vb/images/smilie/bigthumb.gif

no sugar in coffee

Just cant do it. So i switched to Sugar in The Raw. I seem to use less of it vs white sugar to get to the same level of sweetness. I do drink caffiene free diet coke. About a six a week. I dont seem to be suffering from any ill affects and thats all i drank aside from water and coffee when i lost 50 lbs last season.

PepsiOne fan here myself. If I can't get that then I drink Mt. Dew. Of course - between the 2 I would take in a lot less calories with the PepsiOne.

I recall a study done with nurses looking at soda consumption and weight loss. The found that nurses who drank soda did not loss weight or lost less weight than nurses who abstained.

But here is the kicker - it didn't matter whether they drank diet soda or not! I guess the calolries the avoided by drinking diet soda were, somehow, made up by an increased appetite caused by the carbonated beverage.


Diet Soft Drinks
Claim: Drinking more diet soft drinks helps you lose weight. People who start drinking more diet sodas usually drink fewer sugar-sweetened ones. By replacing one with the other, they cut calories and shed pounds.

Truth: A review of data from Harvard University’s Nurses’ Health Study II found that women who increased consumption of diet soda over a four-year span gained less weight than those who cut down on how much they drank, but they still gained. A review of data from the San Antonio Heart Study found that while drinking either diet or regular soft drinks correlated with weight gain, people who drank diet sodas were significantly more likely to gain. There are many possible reasons, says Sharon Fowler, M.P.H., who co-authored the review. It could be that diet-soda drinkers who gained weight had started gaining before the study began, switched to diet drinks to try to lose, but kept gaining for other reasons. Some people also drink diet sodas and then indulge in other ways. There’s some evidence, though, that diet drinks may increase cravings and food intake. “We can neither confirm nor rule out that the diet drinks were actually causing people to gain,” says Fowler, a faculty associate in clinical epidemiology at the University of Texas Health Science Center. “If they were, though, drinking as little as one diet drink a day may put a person at increased risk.”

The found that nurses who drank soda did not loss weight or lost less weight than nurses who abstained.
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I always KNEW abstinence was bad for ya! :love:
Snort!

word, all water all the time... you dig?