Track Cycling - Cleats for Look Shoes, but for Clips?

Hi -

I tried doing a search for this but to no avail, so here goes...

I remember seeing this a while back - a cleat that attaches to a Look-Compatible shoes but meant for clips and straps. I have a decent pair of road shoes I'd like to use (Sidi), and this would help me out greatly.

I am planning on using them with Superbe Pro Track pedals which I have, and hopefully soon they'll be on a track frame...

From what I remember, this cleat only used the lower two holes of the three bolt pattern.

Anyone have a picture of this, as well as any info where I can get these? Also, anyone have any other suggestions? Has enyone tried using the older Shimano three bolt cleat and modifying it?

Many thanks, I've learned a lot from these forums...

Dave

I don't think they are made anymore, but the only ones I know of are the Shimano PD-64 cleats. They were used with the Dura Ace 7400 pedals. Here's a photo I've been saving all these years just in case someone asks.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/tocleat.html

there you go. Kind of expensive but they look nice.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/tocleat.html

there you go. Kind of expensive but they look nice.

I tried some of those made by YJ last year but I broke one cleat after just a few hard sprints. The Shimano ones have lasted longer for me.

Well every pair of Shimano road shoes that I've purchased have come with a pair of old fashioned cleats for a two bolt pattern. Its the same bolt patern isn't it so they should fit. Find someone who uses Shimano shoes and they should have some lying around.

EDIT: Its for 2 of the 3 standard road bolt pattern. Its not for SPD mtn.

Regards, Anthony

Hmmmm, interesting so far -

That blue cleat sounds kind of expensive - there must be another alternative at a more reasonable price....

Thanks so far, please keep those suggestions coming!

Dave

I don't think they are made anymore, but the only ones I know of are the Shimano PD-64 cleats. They were used with the Dura Ace 7400 pedals. Here's a photo I've been saving all these years just in case someone asks.


Maybe if I can find this cleat - if I dremel off the front part and just use the lower two bolts, hopefully it'll work in a keirin pedal? A glance at the underside of this cleat shows me where I can take off material and not compromise strength...

Thanks again, any more thoughts???

Dave

good link... thanks!


http://www.yellowjersey.org/tocleat.html

there you go. Kind of expensive but they look nice.

Those cleats illustrated above are, I believe, Yoshidas. You can get them in several colors through your local shop via Euro-Asia Imports:

http://www.euroasiaimports.com/productcart/pc/viewCat_h.asp?idCategory=785

I got a couple pairs to use on a fixie (so I wouldn't eat up PD-64 cleats) and they weren't all that expensive. The black plastic ones are more durable than the colored ones (the colored ones were rather brittle) although I didn't have breakage with either of them.

On PD-64's, the prices are a bit outlandish, although I've noticed that Renaissance Cycles (www.renaissance-cycles.com) has been advertising them for about $35 on eBay. Do be aware that the back lip of the slot tends to bend inward if you walk on them much. They will stay in place with only two bolts; in fact, one of the classic problems with them was that the front tabs would break off where they lock into the pedals.

So these Yoshidas will work for a Look pattern shoe?

Is this company also an online store? Any possibility of me ordering from them from Canada?

Thanks

Dave

r this the cleats????

http://www.worldclasscycles.com/7400_cleats.htm

f1junkie, I don't know if EAI distributes to Canada. If not, check with Bike Central in Portland, OR, Yellow Jersey Coop in Madison, WI, or with Bill Ron Cycles in Redondo Beach, CA, and any of them can order them for you and send them to you. You can't buy from them directly.

Ultraman, those are the PD-64 cleats (made for the PD-7400 pedals). I've seen those called Ultegra cleats as well, presumably because of the -64 designation (6 series have designated Ultegra in recent years, while 7 series have designated Dura Ace), but there's no difference in the cleat itself. They come in both a brown and a light blue packaging, but without an Ultegra or Dura Ace designation in either case.

Hi!! all
This is Japanese professional Keirin rider

All Japanese professional Keirin rider use clip system and we use commercial production racing shoes
But,It's shoes made for clipless system for look,Shimano SPD-R

We must use cleats for look system bolts hole
Some Japanese company mede cleats for look system bolts hole

I inform some Keirin cleats for you

The white one use for system bolts hole of Look,Shimano SPD,made by "KENDO cycle"
The black one use for system bolts hole of Look,made by "PEARL IZUMI"

Hi!! all
This is Japanese professional Keirin rider

All Japanese professional Keirin rider use clip system and we use commercial production racing shoes
But,It's shoes made for clipless system for look,Shimano SPD-R

We must use cleats for look system bolts hole
Some Japanese company mede cleats for look system bolts hole

I inform some Keirin cleats for you

The white one use for system bolts hole of Look,Shimano SPD,made by "KENDO cycle"
The black one use for system bolts hole of Look,made by "PEARL IZUMI"


Now THIS is exactly what I am looking for!

Does anyone know where I can purchase these?

Thanks so much for your help

And let me know (anyone) where I can get a couple of sets!

Cheers

Dave

Also interested over here...


I think I have an interweb crush on Tomity. F'n brilliant.

If all your looking for is a cleat to hold your foot from sliding out backwards from your pedal make your own.....Ive made a few for guys who lost cleats over the years or broke them. Also the old school plastic Sidi and Specialized cleats match up nicly to the SPD-R 2 bolt pattern shimano stoped making pedals for.

Go check into it.

Tomity you have a PM

Dave

Tomity you have a PM

Dave

Did you find a solution???

Hi Thanks for Asking!

Well, I think if money is no object, I can always order them overseas. But I'd like to see if anyone has them in North America first - maybe I could buy any extra sets people have?

Please let me know here if there are any sets you can sell me!

Thanks again.

Dave

Tomity -

You have another PM

I will send e-mail afterwards.

Thanks

Dave

Dave, not sure how helpful this will be but came across this:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.takizawa-web.com/shop-pedles/others.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dshimano%2Bsh31%26hl%3Den%26hs%3D3pn%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official_s%26sa%3DG

Dave, not sure how helpful this will be but came across this:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.takizawa-web.com/shop-pedles/others.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dshimano%2Bsh31%26hl%3Den%26hs%3D3pn%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official_s%26sa%3DG



Thanks very much -

I've contacted Tomity about sending me some from Japan, so I will see how it goes.

Thanks for thinking of me!

Dave

http://www.worldclasscycles.com/carnac_track_cleats.htm

Thanks shishi -

I have contacted them, just waiting for their reply!

Many thanks again, you guys on the forum are great!

Dave

I finally got the Carnac cleats from World class. Yes they are plastic and pretty cheap. I have to say though, that I am happy with them so far. Using them with MKS sylvans and zip up road shoes.

I see that Bensbike on eBay has Yoshida cleats - I might end up getting them from there.

Cheers

Dave

I see that Bensbike on eBay has Yoshida cleats - I might end up getting them from there.

Cheers

Dave

Thanks for the heads up.

I finally got the Carnac cleats from World class. Yes they are plastic and pretty cheap. I have to say though, that I am happy with them so far. Using them with MKS sylvans and zip up road shoes.

Hey. what road shoes did you use? i'm looking for some newer shoes to put the yoshida cleats on... but most have velcro straps and such. seems like they would get under the clips making it uncomfortable.

I'm reallying looking for a solid solution for clips and straps and decent shoes that i don't have to sell my soul to find my size in (ie... duegi/detto/vittoria vintage leather goodness.)

I ride clips and straps on the track, and often on the road (on a fixie) as well. The straps and stuff aren't as much of a hassle as they look. Simple velcro straps don't end up putting pressure on your foot, and the ratcheted buckles on a lot of road shoes are farther back than the toe strap anyway and thus out of the way. The only problem velcro straps really give most people (unless they have very sensitive nerve endings or shoes that fit badly to begin with) is that the tips of your clips can catch in the straps when you're engaging. Bending the last inch or so of your toe clip upwards a bit is entirely acceptable and fixes the problem, and actually helps avoid having the tip of the clip jamming right into the top of your foot as well. That tip can snag in laces and everything else as well, anyway.

A low-cost solution that looks trick is to get some decent lycra shoe covers. These aren't the rainproof ones (though they accomplish the same thing when you're riding clips/straps in the rain) but just a very heavy lycra. They just keep all the shoe hardware from catching on the pedals, and they also keep the straps and clips from wearing bare spots on your shoes as well. Good ones should run $25-30 and last you in daily use for the better part of a year. If you wear them out faster, you'd be wearing out your shoes that much faster as well.

As for shoes themselves, one of the nicest deals out there right now are Nike Poggio's, in either the II or III model. They are super-light, carbon soled, and the top has 3 straps that are almost flush and contiguous with each other so you don't have anything catching. You can spot them brand new on eBay for $99 or less. The Poggio II's were actually made by DMT, and compare with shoes priced at 2-3 times what they're going for now. The fit is distinctly DMT, not Nike. Both models (II and III) come with Look drillings; the II's come with SPD and SPD-R mountings as well. If they fit you, they're a superb deal. The II's come in a gorgeous bright red, metallic silver, black, and probably a couple other colors. The III's come mostly in blue and silver. The finish is really durable and once it softens up after a few days' use, is very comfortable.

As for other shoes, you'll generally find good deals and an easy fit to your clips/straps in triathlon shoes -- minimal hardware, smooth front, and decent prices. They don't offer quite the solid grasp of your foot that other shoes do, but that really only matters to sprinters. You won't pull your foot out of the shoe on a skid, or anything like that. They're usually very light, mostly because they don't have too much fastening hardware on them.

Personally I prefer regular road shoes in certain brands, but that's just for sprints and other track racing events. If you like double straps, remember that they will make up for a lot of shortcomings in the shoes themselves (especially the triathlon shoes) and will be a lot more comfortable. They aren't as important on very small feet (say, 41-42 or smaller), mostly because the front strap is almost over your toes at that point. For larger feet they are a huge plus. And don't forget that toe clips are made to be customized -- it's normal and expected in racing circles that you have to bend, twist, pad, or otherwise modify them to make them comfortable on your feet. So don't be shy about tweaking them for comfort or ease of mounting.

Lastly, if you get good laminated toe straps (MKS or Toshi are my favorites) they will retain enough stiffness that you really don't need the toe clips as long as you are riding cleats. Many world cup sprinters are now riding on Shimano Dura Ace PD-7400 pedals without the toe clips. When you flip the pedal over the strap stays in an open oval and your foot goes right in. If you use old floppy non-laminated straps, they'll just collapse and be a mess to get your foot in -- that's why toe clips were introduced in the first place. Your toe clip isn't going to keep your feet in your pedals in any way if your cleat and strap aren't doing it first. So if you can't find a solution you like better, just try removing the clips. Especially with double straps this is a very comfortable and secure solution. If you have big feet, you don't have to find clips to fit, and if you have toe clip overlap with your front wheel, you at least minimize that problem or avoid cutting up your front tire with a metal edge.

wow, 11.4. thanks very much for the info. it's answered a ton of other questions i had as well. thank you.

Hey. what road shoes did you use?

ADIDAS ADISTAR ROAD COMP SHOE, and 11.4 is right. I have had to adjust the clips to fit the shoes. So far pretty happy with it.

Those cleats illustrated above are, I believe, Yoshidas. You can get them in several colors through your local shop via Euro-Asia Imports:

http://www.euroasiaimports.com/productcart/pc/viewCat_h.asp?idCategory=785

I got a couple pairs to use on a fixie (so I wouldn't eat up PD-64 cleats) and they weren't all that expensive. The black plastic ones are more durable than the colored ones (the colored ones were rather brittle) although I didn't have breakage with either of them.

On PD-64's, the prices are a bit outlandish, although I've noticed that Renaissance Cycles (www.renaissance-cycles.com) has been advertising them for about $35 on eBay. Do be aware that the back lip of the slot tends to bend inward if you walk on them much. They will stay in place with only two bolts; in fact, one of the classic problems with them was that the front tabs would break off where they lock into the pedals.


Not sure if I understand right but can Yoshida Champ cleats be used on PD-7400's?