Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Pista decal removal.

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KirbyxKamikaze
03-04-06, 12:08 AM
I've seen the work on the 04's decals but has any one done removal on the 05 frames?

Does Jasco have the same effect for the solid white decals?


daibutsusan73
03-04-06, 05:29 AM
Yep

Ginetta
03-04-06, 10:44 AM
Do you have any close-up pictures of the frame so I can check out what it looks like? What did you do for clear coat on the parts that used to have the decals?


daibutsusan73
03-04-06, 11:28 AM
You can find very detailed instructions with pictures here:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=92057&highlight=stripped+pista

This should answer all your questions.

humancongereel
03-04-06, 02:29 PM
hmm, i was actually going to use a dull-ish knife to scrape off the clear coat. i haven't started this project yet, but it's something i'm planning on doing. i just want everything to look cleaner, you know?

BostonFixed
03-04-06, 02:36 PM
hmm, i was actually going to use a dull-ish knife to scrape off the clear coat. i haven't started this project yet, but it's something i'm planning on doing. i just want everything to look cleaner, you know?
That will look terrible. There will be all little bits of clear that you won't be able to remove. Think a really ****ty, scratched paintjob.

RedDeMartini
03-04-06, 02:48 PM
Hey the 04 and 05 pistas are chrome. Chrome is heavy, unbelievably toxic and polluting to apply (which is why Bianchi caught so much **** for chroming a mass market frame), but it is bulletproof. You can use anything at all to remove the stickers and it will not hurt the frame. Don't clear coat it though, the clearcoat finish will always be a little foggy and ****ed up, just strip it and leave it alone.

Try a citrus strip or gasoline first, either should work.

Then hit it with Bike lust (silicon polish), or pledge (wax polish)) or turtle wax for a lasting clean surface.
It will repel dirt and make old stickers easier to take off.

humancongereel
03-04-06, 02:56 PM
That will look terrible. There will be all little bits of clear that you won't be able to remove. Think a really ****ty, scratched paintjob.

yeah, i'd thought that might be the case.

hey, other dude...sorry to be asking questions in someone else's thread, but it seems like we're after the same thing. you're saying just sand the **** down (or whatever), take off the decals, and roll?

KirbyxKamikaze
03-04-06, 03:14 PM
yeah, i'd thought that might be the case.

hey, other dude...sorry to be asking questions in someone else's thread, but it seems like we're after the same thing. you're saying just sand the **** down (or whatever), take off the decals, and roll?

for sure, i saw the work on the 04 and it looked awesome so i wanted to make sure it works with the solid white bars, i am going to pick up some jasco remover and i'll let you know how that goes.

daibutsusan73
03-04-06, 05:04 PM
for sure, i saw the work on the 04 and it looked awesome so i wanted to make sure it works with the solid white bars, i am going to pick up some jasco remover and i'll let you know how that goes.

You'll be surprised at how easy it is to do, and how beautiful your frame will look. Any doubts you might have had about getting the Pista will magically disapear when you have the sleek sexy all chrome frame staring back at you.

the pope
03-04-06, 06:41 PM
Is the clearcoat only there to protect the stickers? How tough is chrome versus paint or powdercoat? Is there a chemistry major in the house?

KirbyxKamikaze
03-04-06, 07:23 PM
Is the clearcoat only there to protect the stickers? How tough is chrome versus paint or powdercoat? Is there a chemistry major in the house?

I've been using the ace brand adhesive remover for a couple hours now removing decals and its amazing. First off it looks soooo much better, i've just been taking off all of the clear coat everywhere and the decals and it is...making me cry im so happy, well, not really, but still.

Time consuming but worth it.

the pope
03-04-06, 07:34 PM
Did you pull all the parts off the frame? I'm starting to like this.

daibutsusan73
03-04-06, 07:44 PM
Is the clearcoat only there to protect the stickers? How tough is chrome versus paint or powdercoat? Is there a chemistry major in the house?
Yes, the clearcoat is only there for the decals. As far as my research & question asking is concerned chrome is far superior to paint, but I'm no chemist. The only drawback to chrome is that it only comes in one color.


I've been using the ace brand adhesive remover for a couple hours now removing decals and its amazing. First off it looks soooo much better, i've just been taking off all of the clear coat everywhere and the decals and it is...making me cry im so happy, well, not really, but still.

Time consuming but worth it.
I told you you'd love it. It's like a whole new bike. Even the most hardened Pista naysayer has got to give the nude Pista props. Components aside, for a non-luged frame the Pista is quite beautiful. Great geometry, and....soooo......shiiiiiny.....

daibutsusan73
03-04-06, 07:47 PM
Did you pull all the parts off the frame? I'm starting to like this.
It's alot easier if you remove all the parts, but you can do it without all that work.

KirbyxKamikaze
03-05-06, 12:07 AM
Oh man, you were so right, i love it so much more now....it was just doing track stands in my dorm and they made me go put it in storage, so sad, but tomorrow i'll put up a few flixxx.

The LT
03-05-06, 10:41 AM
I'm a chemist and I think that chrome would be stronger than paint or powder coat but there are a lot of variables to consider when comparing the three specifically the thickness of the chrome

bigbikerbrian
03-05-06, 11:54 AM
so, the jasco takes off the clearcoat also? or do you need some paint remover for that?

KirbyxKamikaze
03-05-06, 12:42 PM
I'm a chemist and I think that chrome would be stronger than paint or powder coat but there are a lot of variables to consider when comparing the three specifically the thickness of the chrome

I didn't use Jasco, i used the ace brand version, its cheaper, but you paste it on with a paintbrush, and wait like 15-30 for each spot then you just rub off the clear coat and decals. Some places took a second coating, but overall it was soo easy. It was really cool to watch it go to work too.

To answer an earlier question, i just took off the wheel set, seat post, fork etc, so that it was basically just the crank set and the frame and it was easy as pie.

Its snowing, soooo i am gonna sit around and play megaman 8 instead of going outside and taking some pictures, but soon, soon.

humancongereel
03-05-06, 01:03 PM
ace brand as in ace hardware?

and megaman x has some sickass music. i used to be in this grindcore band, and the other guitarist and i spent an afternoon learning how to play one of the songs, "flamestag"...we were going to do a metal cover of it and play it in our set.

bigbikerbrian
03-05-06, 01:17 PM
megaman x. oh yeah. thats the jam.

KirbyxKamikaze
03-05-06, 03:27 PM
ace brand as in ace hardware?

and megaman x has some sickass music. i used to be in this grindcore band, and the other guitarist and i spent an afternoon learning how to play one of the songs, "flamestag"...we were going to do a metal cover of it and play it in our set.

yep ace hardware, its called adhesive remover (simple enough) and works like a charm.

ps. grindcore + megaman x = yes.

humancongereel
03-05-06, 04:06 PM
cool, now i just have to find an ace hardware store. ****, i've never even seen a hardware store period in portland.

and yeah, i know the grindcore/megaman x thing was a non sequitir, but i'm glad you liked it. i'm good at non sequitirs.

Ginetta
03-06-06, 06:48 AM
Ok so you guys removed ALL the clear on the bike? Or just on the decal section? What about the fork? If you didnt remove the clear on the fork but you did on the frame, is there a serious contrast difference between the two?

KirbyxKamikaze
03-06-06, 08:38 AM
Ok so you guys removed ALL the clear on the bike? Or just on the decal section? What about the fork? If you didnt remove the clear on the fork but you did on the frame, is there a serious contrast difference between the two?

Im in class until 4, but around noon i was gonna snap some pictures hopefully, or maybe keep saying i was going to.

I removed the clear coat from like 90% of the frame, leaving the tough and not really visible spots alone (because it is kind of time consuming.) I removed it from the decals originally and noticed a big difference so i decided i wanted to remove it all.

To the second part, there was a very noticable difference for me between the frame and the fork, partially because i bought my frame used and the clear coat was a little beat up there, so i just took off the clear coat on the outsides of the fork. Huge difference.

KirbyxKamikaze
03-06-06, 08:52 AM
for temporary purposes.

http://myspace-704.vo.llnwd.net/00548/40/77/548147704_l.jpg

picture from that night when i finished it.

Ginetta
03-06-06, 08:53 AM
I think im going to strip the clear off mine, remove the original decals, put some custom decals on and then either get a clear powdercoat on it or have an autobody shop re-spray it quickly with clear.

Although chrome is tough, I dont know the quality of the job on the pista might as well protect it if i can get it done cheap.

daibutsusan73
03-06-06, 08:55 AM
Ok so you guys removed ALL the clear on the bike? Or just on the decal section? What about the fork? If you didnt remove the clear on the fork but you did on the frame, is there a serious contrast difference between the two?
I only removed the clearcoat & decals on the top tube, down tube, and seat tube. I left the "100% Chick Designed" decal above the BB shell untouched out of respect, and the fact that I like the graphic. On each tube I stripped everything all the way to the welds, the welds are a good stopping point because that is where the reflection "lines" are broken. The welds also hide the edge of the clearcoat. It is only possible to see a contrast difference if you stop removing the clearcoat half way down a tube, but if you remove the clearcoat all the way to the welds it is impossible to see any contrast due to the above mentioned reasons.

daibutsusan73
03-06-06, 09:01 AM
for temporary purposes.

http://myspace-704.vo.llnwd.net/00548/40/77/548147704_l.jpg

picture from that night when i finished it.


Sweet. I've noticed everyone ends up keeping the "100% Chick Designed" decal intact, present company included.

KirbyxKamikaze
03-06-06, 09:04 AM
I left the "100% Chick Designed" decal above the BB shell untouched out of respect, and the fact that I like the graphic.

+1

:D


edit: i was a little late on the draw there. haha.

colinm
03-06-06, 10:00 AM
Is that guy taking a leak with the door open?

KirbyxKamikaze
03-06-06, 10:05 AM
Is that guy taking a leak with the door open?

making a beer can pyramid.

the pope
03-06-06, 12:08 PM
Does P!nk like your bike?

KirbyxKamikaze
03-06-06, 01:16 PM
Does P!nk like your bike?

loves it. hard.

lunacycle
03-07-06, 08:08 AM
Well, after reading this and other threads I finally decided to jump on the Naked Pista bandwagon. I stripped my bike last night. I read the MSDS for Jasco on the internet, and decided to use something slightly less toxic. I had a jug of "Citristrip" sitting in my basement, so I used that. It took a long time to lift the finish (about 90 minutes), and I had to apply it three times on the two panel decals, but damn it looks clean. The stripper didn't work so well on the decal adhesive, but I was able to rub that off with acetone and elbow grease. I just stripped the front triangle, but I think I'll do the rear triangle tonight.

So, does anyone know how to protect the bare chrome finish? Carnauba wax?

I'd post pics, but I'm technologically-challenged in this capacity.

Ginetta
03-07-06, 10:21 AM
A lot of people talk about using a wax but I would not recommend this. Chrome is pourous and needs oxygen. If you wax chrome there is a chance you are trapping moisture in the porous holes and you will actually cause rust. In addition it can haze the chrome. If you want to protect the frame, have it resprayed with clear coat or put a clear powdercoat on it.

If it is a quality chrome job the frame *should* be fine without this stuff. Just keep it clean and away from road salt and all the usual bad stuff.

auroch
03-07-06, 03:04 PM
If it is a quality chrome job the frame *should* be fine without this stuff. Just keep it clean and away from road salt and all the usual bad stuff.

In other words don't ride it outside ever... :)

With winter slowly turning into spring I thought I'd
let you all know that my pista doesn't look like it
has been negatively affected by the de-decal-ing
procedure. It has been three winters for my pista
and each year a little more rust spills out of the
seattube (which is a good thing from a weight
standpoint...right?) so maybe in a couple years
I'll sell it, but anyways so far so good.

jeff

eddiebrannan
03-07-06, 04:14 PM
i tell you this, that 100% check designed decal is going to be the first part of my bike that gets hit with the stripper. word

Spor
03-07-06, 04:37 PM
another pista stripper here to chime in.

i stripped the decals and clear coat off my 05 pista a while back

the only decals i left on were the headtube badge and the bit on the seat post where it says what size the frame is. i left most of the stuff on my bike when i did it so it came out a bit ghetto, with intermittent bits where the jasco didn't get all the clearcoat. but from a distance it looks just fine. i've seen much worse jasco jobs

i eventually felt bad that i effectively stripped the bike of it's world champion status so i had reload custom make me a top tube cover w/ the stripes. :)

http://garethspor.com/pistapride.jpg

things have changed a bit since i took this picture but i think it still looks good.

humancongereel
03-07-06, 04:38 PM
that is kind of a cool top tube...nice looking bike, there. can't wait to strip mine.

edit: protector. top tube protector. goddamn it, ian...

BLACKMARKET
03-07-06, 04:55 PM
good tips every one

lunacycle
03-07-06, 05:55 PM
i tell you this, that 100% check designed decal is going to be the first part of my bike that gets hit with the stripper. word

Yeah, that was fun. I hated that decal. It's too bad they stuck it on the Pista Concept as well. Such a pretty bike otherwise.