Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - i know some of you are vegan so.....

i have a few questions for you. can you pm me? thanks.

here's one I'd like to pose;
where can I get nonleather toe straps?

cinelli makes non-leather straps that are apparently available through EAI. ask your local shop to try and order em for you.

here's one I'd like to pose;
where can I get nonleather toe straps?


Pretty sure I've still got some old nylon ones, I'd be happy to send them to you.

here's one I'd like to pose;
where can I get nonleather toe straps?

Any LBS. They're the woven fabric straps used for MTB clips. They are cheap, and damn near indestructible.

I destroyed one every 6 months. They don't like the friction between my wide shoes and the crankarm. They also have a tendency to wear at the buckle (?) so they're always a touch looser (or tighter) than you'd like. Of course, the strap always snapped finally when I was hopping a curb... had a few dodgy landings. Of course, that's not gonna happen to you if you're not as cheap as I am.

BTW, I'm really curious what the secret vegan questions are that can't be shouted out here. Oh well, I'll never know. I eat cuddly animals all the time.

BTW, I'm really curious what the secret vegan questions are that can't be shouted out here.I am too, especially since it is obviously a fixed gear related query, as well, apparently.

i have a few questions for you

me too...
have any of you heard of these "freegan" people

get this -
you live as a vegan, following all the do's and don'ts,
but if someone obtains the meat products for free, it's okay to eat it.

so as long as your eggs or dairy or ground ****ing meat, is either given away, stolen, or found in a dumpster IT'S OKAY TO EAT????
cheap ass, dirty mother ****ing, wannabe anarchy loving, punks!

WTF is with these people?
I call shenanigans?

seriously though, have you heard of this?

me too...
have any of you heard of these "freegan" people

get this -
you live as a vegan, following all the do's and don'ts,
but if someone obtains the meat products for free, it's okay to eat it.

so as long as your eggs or dairy or ground ****ing meat, is either given away, stolen, or found in a dumpster IT'S OKAY TO EAT????
cheap ass, dirty mother ****ing, wannabe anarchy loving, punks!

WTF is with these people?
I call shenanigans?

seriously though, have you heard of this?


I was freegan for a good while, i didn't do the whole meat thing, but if it was free, and not meat, I would eat it. Poor college kids unite. Its easy, its keeps you relatively healthy, and its a really good way to get into veganism if you are interested.

Some people are into freeganism because they don't want to support corporate blah blah and feel that they should only eat vegetables and what not unless they basically steal the ****.

Others believe in positive animal treatment, obviously, I don't think i've ever met a freegan who ate meat though, unless they were unbelievably poor, but that was in Ann Arbour.

Freegan Info (http://freegan.info/)

haha i was explaining freeganism to a friend the other night. basically, people who are freegan don't want to support the meat and dairy industry, but they also think it's wrong for meat and diary products to go to waste so if it's between something being tossed and them eating it, they'll eat it. this means eating people's eftovers if they are going t toss them, eating dumpstered food... most people i know who consider themselves "freegan" don't eat meat regardless, but will eat stuff with eggs and dairy in it.

seriously though, have you heard of this?
I have heard of this. But all the Freegans i know are strict vegan and wouldn't eat meat if they found it for free. Besides, it is just as easy to steal the hell out of the Whole Foods.
ANd JESUS tap dancing christ! WHo the hell would eat meat out of a dumpster!?!?!

I've heard of freegans that eat roadkill.

I've heard of freegans that eat roadkill.

props.

Never met a freegan who ate meat, either. I think it's more of an acknowledgement of where your money is going than what you are wearing. If you find a good pair of Adidas shoes in the dumpster, none of your money is going to support what you consider to a cruelty-based industry, so why not wear them? It's a fairly interesting way to live off the inherent wastefulness and wealth of modern American culture, without monetarily supporting companies you consider "immoral." Never had a problem with the Freegans, especially since they taught me everything I know about dumpster-diving. You can eat pretty well just from dumpster-diving if you're resourceful enough. I knnow this shocks some people, but it's really a matter of societal conditioning and what you're used to, more than dumpster-divers doing anything "wrong." Think about it.

As long as you go to the grocery store and college campus dumpsters, and don't eat the hepatitis-laden Big Macs, you can do pretty well...

"freegan" is a pretty vague word. it can refer to people who will eat whatever, provided that they find/scavenge/dumpster it, or that it's free in other ways. it can also refer to a vegan who will bend the rules (which can vary person to person) if it's free in some way. or it can refer to somebody who eats solely from scavenging/dumpstering.

think it's not possible?

ever look inside a Trader Joe's dumpster?

it is heaven, especially if you're traveling.

yeah no thanks
i'll pass

you'll pass? okay. yeah, people i know have called dumpster food gross before.

...then they've tasted my cooking.

ever look inside a Trader Joe's dumpster?

+1000000

I only dumpster vegan food myself, and a lot of us care about reducing waste as much as getting free food. Once you see how much good food is thrown out, it will probably really annoy you.

yeah no thanks
i'll pass

Mostly it's psychological. Let's say you went to a bagel store just as they were closing and asked them for a bag full of the bagels they were going to throw out. Now let's say you went to a bagel store just after they closed and found a garbage bag full of bagels.

Is there really any difference?

At a vegan festival on campus this past Wednesday, the freegans were heckling the vegan speakers.

It was great.

Mostly it's psychological. Let's say you went to a bagel store just as they were closing and asked them for a bag full of the bagels they were going to throw out. Now let's say you went to a bagel store just after they closed and found a garbage bag full of bagels.

Is there really any difference?


The gross part is it's in a festering dumpster and probably touching other garbage?

The gross part is it's in a festering dumpster and probably touching other garbage?

it doesn't sound like you're speaking from experience.

i have a friend who works in trader joe's. they gather the stock that they're throwing out, put it into bags, and throw it out. this is common place. i mean, i've snarked shreds from pizza dumpsters and ****, where yeah, sometimes you have to pick around trash, but the most of dumpstered food is simply unsellable food, in plastic bags, in a big metal box in a parking lot.

it doesn't sound like you're speaking from experience.

i have a friend who works in trader joe's. they gather the stock that they're throwing out, put it into bags, and throw it out. this is common place. i mean, i've snarked shreds from pizza dumpsters and ****, where yeah, sometimes you have to pick around trash, but the most of dumpstered food is simply unsellable food, in plastic bags, in a big metal box in a parking lot.

+1

i ate dumpstered sushi once, haha. i was a bit worried about it, but it was the stuff in the little boxes that grocery stores have. we were on tour and hit this dumster right after the place closed, and there was a big bag full of the individual sushi trays. they were still cold so we tried em out and they turned out to be delish. this was when i still ate fish

I'm vegan (you can PM me questions if you'd like).

On the freegan note, I guess I have done a bit of that. My saddle is an old Cinelli leather saddle. It used to be on my mom's bike, and she put thousands of miles on it back in the day, now she finds it uncomfortable and switched to a Terry. So if I wasn't using the Cinelli, it probably would just go unused (maybe it could be sold, but maybe not), and I'd have bought a new saddle (And a new "vegan" saddle still damages the environment to produce, which in turn harms us/animals/plants/everything). Also in winter I ride in a wool sweater that was my dads but he doesn't wear anymore.

Non-vegan food I won't eat. Partially because I don't want there to be demand for such things, partially because it doesn't sound appetizing to me.

Toe-straps, I heard the nylon ones don't work as well with the metal clips because the nylon doesn't hold it's shape as well as leather, and the metal clips only have a single toe, whereas the plastic one has two toes. I haven't tried though, I use clipless.

it doesn't sound like you're speaking from experience.

i have a friend who works in trader joe's. they gather the stock that they're throwing out, put it into bags, and throw it out. this is common place. i mean, i've snarked shreds from pizza dumpsters and ****, where yeah, sometimes you have to pick around trash, but the most of dumpstered food is simply unsellable food, in plastic bags, in a big metal box in a parking lot.


nope, I haven't, that's why the ?

Trader joes seems like it would be good. Seems like the employees would be making out like bandits!

there is a difference between surviving and living frugally...that sounds like it's right on the edge.

the eai non leather toe straps are where its at. have had mine for about 2 1/2 years now no major problems.

XVX

Toe-straps, I heard the nylon ones don't work as well with the metal clips because the nylon doesn't hold it's shape as well as leather, and the metal clips only have a single toe, whereas the plastic one has two toes. I haven't tried though, I use clipless.

I've found that the nylon ones are a little more prone to stretching out than the leather ones. They'll start to fray and eventually get kind of tired and you'll want ot replace them. Non-laminated leather ones are way more prone to unexpected catastrophic failure than the nylon.

This reminds me of when I used to work in a McDonalds. The food we made, if it wasn't sold, had to be thrown out 8 to 20 minutes after it was cooked. This was to ensure the customer got a fresh burger or mcnugget or whatever.

The kitchen manager was responsible for keeping enough food in the bins to serve customers instantly, but not so much that we had to throw any out. When we had a lousy manager on duty, we threw out a LOT of food.

It didn't go in the dumpster, though. It went on a tray on top of the dumpster, and homeless guys would eat it. They certainly weren't vegans or anything, they were just hungry. The night manager would usually give them fresh coffee, too.

The parking lot, when the restaurant was slow, was kind of odd. One minute, a sandwich cost 3 dollars and would go to the kids in the back of the minivan, the next minute it's free and only homeless people would touch it.

I guess I can see what these freegans are talking about. A lot of perfectly good food gets wasted.

Mostly it's psychological. Let's say you went to a bagel store just as they were closing and asked them for a bag full of the bagels they were going to throw out. Now let's say you went to a bagel store just after they closed and found a garbage bag full of bagels.

Is there really any difference?

Okay that just made me laugh b/c some ride last week ended up with my boyfriend sheisting a garbage bag full of bagels.

You can live off dumpstered bagels. Yes.

nope, I haven't, that's why the ?

Trader joes seems like it would be good. Seems like the employees would be making out like bandits!

there is a difference between surviving and living frugally...that sounds like it's right on the edge.

That's not true at all. I'm living fine and go grocery shopping for essentials every week like a normal preson. I just get all my fresh produce and bread perfectly ripe from a neat bag placed on top of a store's dumpster after closing. You can't sell ripe food or freshly bake bread bread at the end of the day; it won't be good tomorrow morning, but its still damn tasty and a perfect source of quality nutrition.

Its not "surviving" as much as being aware of the excess of capitalist development, and taking advantage of it.

there is a difference between surviving and living frugally...
Only in our status-obsessed society. From an objective perspective, there is not.

That's not true at all. I'm living fine and go grocery shopping for essentials every week like a normal preson. I just get all my fresh produce and bread perfectly ripe from a neat bag placed on top of a store's dumpster after closing. You can't sell ripe food or freshly bake bread bread at the end of the day; it won't be good tomorrow morning, but its still damn tasty and a perfect source of quality nutrition.

Its not "surviving" as much as being aware of the excess of capitalist development, and taking advantage of it.


on top of the dumpster, now that sounds a little better.
There's never any harm in LOOKING in the dumpster, no one says you have to take anything you don't like the looks of.

Only in our status-obsessed society. From an objective perspective, there is not.

might be just semantics.
To me surviving means barely getting by and being one boot kick from starving to death or living in the street. Living means having some security.

hey, after reading Fast Food Nation, i'll take any dumpster i've been in over a meatpacking plant any day.

...except for the dumpster at the taxidermist's.

that was gross.

oh, the things you'll do for somebody else's art projects.

Dumpsters behind photo-developing places are a veritable goldmine of comedy. Sometimes a goldmine of horror, but usually comedy.

Pretty much the greatest dumpster ever is the Odwalla Dumpster. We leave with hundreds of dollars worth of free juice everytime we go. Sometimes Odwalla bars too. Always sealed in the shipping boxes. Almost always with about a week until expiration.

Hey MDRawk, I have a question. Me and a few activist friends have been looking for someone by a juice factory to trade dumpstered goods with. Here is the stuff we can get easily: frito-lay factory (tons of unsealed chips of all kinds including munchos if you're vegan), the hostess factory (probably non-vegan but tasty), and an english muffin factory (and bread / pita bread /etc). Anyways, If you are interested in trading juice for any of these pm me or e-mail me and let me know.

Pretty much the greatest dumpster ever is the Odwalla Dumpster. We leave with hundreds of dollars worth of free juice everytime we go. Sometimes Odwalla bars too. Always sealed in the shipping boxes. Almost always with about a week until expiration.

That sounds heavenly.

I am too, especially since it is obviously a fixed gear related query, as well, apparently.



i just didnt want to post it up coz you guys can be freaking harsh at times. i just wanted to find a soloution for added energy because i feel so damned sluggish when im on the bike. sure, its been windy as all hell in oakland(and wet) but i remember being able to power through head wind and NOT act like a weenie when it hits.

Pretty much the greatest dumpster ever is the Odwalla Dumpster. We leave with hundreds of dollars worth of free juice everytime we go. Sometimes Odwalla bars too. Always sealed in the shipping boxes. Almost always with about a week until expiration.

I wonder why Odwalla does not provide those to local homeless/charitable food organizations. If it has a week left on the expiry, it should get taken used by the time it ran out...

wait.. vegans can't wear wool? even non animal harming products? i remmemebr being really bummed when the vegan cafe decided the honey poppyseed dressing had to go 'cause honey wasnt vegan..i don't understand that really..or wool.. explain please.

me too...
have any of you heard of these "freegan" people

get this -
you live as a vegan, following all the do's and don'ts,
but if someone obtains the meat products for free, it's okay to eat it.

so as long as your eggs or dairy or ground ****ing meat, is either given away, stolen, or found in a dumpster IT'S OKAY TO EAT????
cheap ass, dirty mother ****ing, wannabe anarchy loving, punks!

WTF is with these people?
I call shenanigans?

seriously though, have you heard of this?
I was freegan before I had money to comfortably support a vegan diet (aka so I could get Tofutti Cuties and soy patties!
Now I take nonvegan food and share with others who would consume it. Oh and nowadays nonvegan food destroys my lower intestines and would have me cursing in the morning.

About honey- sometime sI'll consume it, though if given a choice, I avoid it.
The way I see is that bees aren't robbed of honey because they are protected by bee keepers. Bee keepers aren't harmed by the ill effects of factory farming either.
The human - bee relationship is mutual. I'm all down for mutualism.

I wonder why Odwalla does not provide those to local homeless/charitable food organizations. If it has a week left on the expiry, it should get taken used by the time it ran out...
it is techniclaly illegal.


PS: this thread is WAY off track and should be moved or put back on track.

I only dumpster vegan food myself, and a lot of us care about reducing waste as much as getting free food. Once you see how much good food is thrown out, it will probably really annoy you.
lol you would reply to this thread

it is techniclaly illegal.


PS: this thread is WAY off track and should be moved or put back on track.


Not really off track. The OP didn't give a track for anyone to go on until a couple posts ago.
You need to be on a track before you can get off it.

it is techniclaly illegal.


PS: this thread is WAY off track and should be moved or put back on track.


Oh look, it's Myron, the hall monitor!

how is giving products to the needy illegal?