Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - deliberate hit and run in SF

I hate to announce this but watch out for those ****ing rush hour drivers out there. Hope this doesn't happen to anyone else but unfortunately i found myself in one of those "worst-case" scenarios tonight riding home from work. So here i am, riding home with my girlfriend on a nice evening. As usual, i take Sutter St from the financial distict. (Sutter st for those of you outside of SF, is relatively flat compared to some of the major hill around this part of town. It has its share of shops and hotels, but most importantly, its got a big lane for buses that cars aren't suppose to drive on.) anyway, i'm riding up from Grant (chinatown entance)and almost past the Stockton tunnel when out of nowhere, i hear a honk and a screech from my left, and suddenly a gun-metal grey Toyota Van comes out of nowhere and almost takes me out. Pissed i was. Actually more shock than pissed at the moment...but once everything settled, which took about 5 secs, i chased him down to the next block of on Sutter and Powell. Fortunately for me, it was a red light with a cable car crossing in the middle. I came up on the left side of the van, knock on his window and for some reason, i actually told him nicely to watch out for cyclist. He was on the phone at the time and carrying 2 passengers, 1 in the front passenger seat and 1 in the back of the van. He turned over and brushed me off. I knocked on his window again and told him in a more sternly manner to watch out. By this time, the light turned green, i gave him a dirty look and began to ride off. Right at that moment, he turned his wheel and gun his van at me. Out of the corner, i saw it coming and braced myself for it. turning my wheel to lessen the impact. I felt his van come up and pushed me to the curb. People on the side walk gasped and screamed when they saw it. Miraculously, i composed myself and chased him down to the next block where he made a quick left turn and escaped. Luckily for me, some guy on the bus saw the entire thing go down and got the van's license plate #. I called 911 to fill a hit and run and goddamnit, i hope this bastard gets caught so i can have the pleasure of seeing him put behind bars for using his car as a weapon against cyclists.

no ****...glad you're okay...but seriously. **** that mother****er. he needs to get hit by a car.

Good luck. This has happened to me several times, IME the car driver always gets let go with a 'stern warning'. Hope you have better results.

Wow. These stories are becoming too frequent - glad you're okay, and please let us know if/when they catch the guy.

What's the plate number?

Wow. These stories are becoming too frequent - glad you're okay, and please let us know if/when they catch the guy.

yeah, really...i think the cagers are starting to get really pissed...being trapped in that glass and metal cage breathing recycled air has always been bad enough, now gas prices...

I had something similar happen to me a few years ago while I still bike-jockeyed. I was on a deserted road, riding on the shoulder (def off the road) and this ass in a F-150 clipped me. Bastard crossed a few lanes to do it too.

crazy, hope he gets what he deserves... karma's a ***** when you are on the wrong side of it.

Glad you're okay.

Glad you're ok. With the right plate no. and van description and a description of the driver, they should be able to find the guy quick, his two accessories to assault and w/ enough witnesses, he can be found guilty of something.

get google page creator/blogger and blog it, rant it on Craig's list the usual stuff, shame the bastard. Put a descripton of the guy etc as well

give us the plate number,
i was in one of those couple weeks ago.
it was also a Van.

seriously guys, we gotta have like a a database where we all store the number plates of these drivers..

like a blacklist, and we can go hunt em down....muahahhaahahah

unfortunately, road rage is often directed towards those who aren't protected by a steel shell or airbags. what suprises me is that ******bags like this don't fake swerve to scare, they swerve with the intention of making contact.

maybe this shouldn't be surprising, as pedestrians and cars will yeild to cars, but rarely to cyclists. almost every day, a car trying to make a left hand turn across the opposing lane of traffic that i'm in starts the chain of cars who are concentrating on going as fast as possible as close to the car in front of them, instead of oncoming traffic.

what it comes down to is that most people have no clue what to do because they've never ridden a bike in the city. i don't remember learning anything about how to share the road with cyclists during my driver's ed or licensing tests.

i beleive the only way to make a difference is to have stiff penalties associated with endangering cyclists' lives and active enforcement. the guy who hit you should be charged with attempted murder, even if he's able to plead it down to reckless endangerment. frisco should have a large cycling advocacy group, see if they can hook you up with a lawyer who's out for blood.

if i was in your situation, i'd probably do some investigation on the intraweb and send letters to his employer and insurer detailing his "mistake"

right, i was thinking "assault with a deadly weapon" would cover swerving at--and hitting--someone with a car. i don't know if attempted murder would fly. but, by the definition i'm familiar with, assault with a deadly weapon sure flies in this case. or, wait...assault AND battery.

too bad your $2000 custom frame was cracked and $800 handbuilt wheeldset was mangled in the process, be sure to let the police know that too for the insurance report.

Seriously though, it's great that you're OK. good to know someone got a plate number at least.

right, i was thinking "assault with a deadly weapon" would cover swerving at--and hitting--someone with a car. i don't know if attempted murder would fly. but, by the definition i'm familiar with, assault with a deadly weapon sure flies in this case. or, wait...assault AND battery.

technically it's vehicular assault. if the cyclist isn't seriously injured, i think the max penalty is around $1000 and/or a year in the clink. if the cyclist is seriously injured then the max is something like $10000 and/or 10 years in the clink.

I'm glad you're still caffinated and not coffinated! People don't usually fare so well after getting creamed by a van badly enough to trash a bike frame.

Do you guys really think it would be a good idea to make a database to track these incidents? It wouldn't be very hard to do and could be made rather elegantly where you can look up incidents based on location and whatnot and automatically red flag vehicles that show up more than once, etc.

I could whip something up pretty quickly, but I'm curious if people really think it is a wise idea or have opinions for/against it. Maybe this should get a new thread.

i don't know why it would be a bad idea...if the cops won't do that sort of thing to protect people, why shouldn't people do something like that to protect themselves? it's not outside of the law or anything, is it?

thanks everyone for their concern. yea. i'm definitely fortunate enough to be survive this one. i have faith the cops will catch this guy, since me and the good samaritan, Jose, basically handed them the license plate #. either way, ride safe out there.

no, I think it's all legal and could probably be a good tool as long as it was planned somewhat carefully and people used it properly.

Maybe even split it into a blacklist and whitelist, so in addition to amassing the dangerous/careless/stupid driver incidents, unusually good driver encounters can also be noted.

I think the most important thing for a database like this would be to try and make it be as accurate as possible. Forcing people to validate an email address (so there is a halfway certain way of contacting the author) before their item is logged is probably the best way to prevent people spamming bogus stuff anonymously. I think it would also be good if the original author of an event could log in to edit the information later if need be. I've seen threads here on BF where a particularly bad incident was discussed and the author later redacted specific information from their post because they were persuing legal action and didn't want to encounter any trouble from what they had posted on the web. I think I can make a pretty decent system where a button could be clicked from the post that would email the author with links to edit or censor the data. Without this, some people probably wouldn't want to post anything for fear of not being able to control the information later and having it bike them somehow.

If a few people chime in and say this is a good idea, I'll whip something up and we can work from there. Right now I think it would pretty much take one database table with the following main fields:

assigned ID number
date/time
location description
location lat/lon
license plate number
vehicle description
driver description
incident description

The lat/lon would be a pretty integral part of the system and would allow me to write it so that other people can specify a city/state or zipcode or whatever and get a listing of the incidents that happened within an X mile radius of their area. You can get the latitude and longitude really easily by visually finding the site on google maps (http://maps.google.com).

hahahahahaha coffinated.


that sucks.

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glad to see you are ok caffinated. these stories make me happy i am not riding my bike in the city much since i work in south bay. then again, riding in the city is fun.

you could do a google maps mashup with a hover over that displayed data for each incident on a map. i know i remember seeing something like that for some cycling database. i think it was for accidents but i can't seem to recall the page.

that sucks to hear, i witnessed a similar experience right there on sutter too a couple months ago. watched a pissed off SUV driver try to ram another rider cause they were taking the whole lane.

Yea I ride through soma and down market every day. Scares the crap out of me. Hope they get caught, glad you and your bike didn't get ****ed up.

assault and battery/radiator/grill. damn.

i always have people fake floor it at me, you know where they mash the gas to pretend like they are going to hit you. someday some ****head is going to do that and actually kill someone...imagine how ****ty they would have to feel. but yeah. id love to see some ****** bag go to jail because he thought hed be ****ing funny.

I think the database is a fantastic idea. There are websites/databases tracking cheating husbands, bad tippers, and a whole host of other folks, why not cagers that try to kill cyclists?

I'm glad you're ok, caffinated.

Raise hell on his A**, haha. for real though, dont let this guy get away with a slap on the wrist.

As for a database of bad drivers one can use this. Keep in mind they recommend not to report it here if you plan on legal action.

http://roadragers.com/report-bad-drivers.htm

Al

If the courts fail to try and convict this bastard, you have a right to pursue civil prosecution, and rather than pocket a bunch of money, if you win, it would be a good idea to set up an emergency fund for cyclists injured by aggresive drivers. The fund could help cover medical and legal costs associated with those attacks and proper justice. There might be some sort of legal agreement that you could arrange to have those who are helped by the fund submit a percentage of any money gained by a civil suit back into the fund, to grow. As much as I really don't like civil suits, maybe it wouldn't be a terrible idea to set one up that actually could do some good and help out people who are attacked by drivers. I'm just typing as i think though, so whatever ...

if i were you i'd be tracking down a lawyer..

as much as i hate how you can sue anyone for anything these days; things like this are what a lawyer SHOULD be used for... did you by chance get a witness name/address?

take this guy down! you have all the info you should need.

Personally, I view every car that's pointed at me as a loaded gun aimed in my direction. I would very much like it if people could be made to understand what it's like to have a loaded weapon pointed at them so they know how I feel before they start driving their loaded weapon on the road with me.


As for the database, I'm all for it.

just made a thread for the database.
any input will be greatly appreciated