Commuting - Deer haul via bicycle!

This photo comes from Breiting Avenue in Iron Mountain, Michigan in Michigan's upper penninsula just north of Wisconsin.

If you are from the area, you will understand. If not, imagine Appalachia North. The people have a culture all their own; unique, beautiful, fascinating, hilarious and many other charactersitics.

The photo give us a peek into the society of the 'up nort der ya know' culture:

Even among da Yoopers this event must have stirred some interest and amusement. Another photograph was posted in THIS (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8429&perpage=15&pagenumber=3) thread. I first saw that picture at pasty.com (http://www.pasty.com)--a great website from the Upper Peninsula.

Talk about carrying your thanksgiving dinner home on your bike!

I's from da South...

Dat's still funny t'me!

:lol:

Da boy musta done broke down o' sump'n! Wears 'is truck?

:confused:

OOHHH no! That man killed Santa´s Reindeer.

Anders K

Originally posted by mike

If you are from the area, you will understand. If not, imagine Appalachia North. The people have a culture all their own; unique, beautiful, fascinating, hilarious and many other charactersitics.

The photo give us a peek into the society of the 'up nort der ya know' culture:

You are right, I am not from the area, and I do not understand hunting. Hope you ate that deer. Killing for sport is cruel and not a sport: in a sport, both sides should know they are in the game.

:(

That is a strong fellow, very strong. :eek:

airborne ... a bit judgemental, aren't we? most of us consume animal products of one kind or another, and i can assure you they were also not obtained thru "sport."

Boy does that take balance....

Matt

:beer:

Originally posted by Bandit
airborne ... a bit judgemental, aren't we? most of us consume animal products of one kind or another, and i can assure you they were also not obtained thru "sport."

like i said, i hoped he was eating it (i have had deer-jerky in my day - not too good). shooting JUST and ONLY to kill is just dumb.

i cant tell you how many deer i come within 50-100 yds while riding, and they just stand and stare. putting a bullet in them then is some sort of challenge or thrill? (i realize that is oversimplification - but if shooting a moving object is the game, shoot skeet).

i love seeing wildlife in the wild, and while this is a fine subjective line (yes i eat steak and have leather shoes), those animals are used for something, not just to satisfy some unknown desire to kill.

not that i am all closed minded, and i AM writing this half-heartedly; i am not some greenpeace blind weenie, but tell me (anyone), what is the thrill of hunting? how do you feel after you kill something? i am serious here...

for now, i'd be all for hunting anything if you had to use your bare hands - mano y mano. a knife or spear even. THAT would be a sport.

just to show i am PRO MEAT haha..., if i had to send either vegetarians or hunters to the bottom of the sea, i'd choose the veggies. studies show that the earth can only support a vegetarian diet for 60-66% of the world's population, showing a proper arguement that meat products are necessary for us all...

(OK, AND i am not ripping on veggies or vegans, i AM a laid back dude calmly expressing some thought... hard to take things like that on the web sometimes i know... no ill will meant here...)

:D

Airborne, no one can argue against your principles.

But let's not ruin good threads.

Hey, you don't know, maybe this guy does eat deer. Lots of folk still do.

Speaking of changing thread topics in mid stream, perhaps this guy found the deer on the side of the road while riding? Maybe he broke down and paid a kid $20 to borrow his bike? Or he did it on a bet. Maybe he stole it! :eek:

(What caption could go with this pic?) :lol:

Well down in the south hunting is a big thing. There is a very good reason for it though. Simply put, an overpopulation of deer is detrimental to the wildlife and many cars are hit by deer (which survive 90% of the time). For example, In 2 days time, 4 people I knew were hit by deer while driving on either an interstate or a highway. Most of the people do skin the deer and beleive me, deer sausage is GOOD. I don't hunt but don't see anything wrong with it. Population control.

Originally posted by kewlrunningz
Well down in the south hunting is a big thing. There is a very good reason for it though. Simply put, an overpopulation of deer is detrimental to the wildlife and many cars are hit by deer (which survive 90% of the time). For example, In 2 days time, 4 people I knew were hit by deer while driving on either an interstate or a highway. Most of the people do skin the deer and beleive me, deer sausage is GOOD. I don't hunt but don't see anything wrong with it. Population control.

sounds good, but in practice i doubt that is what is going through many hunter's heads: something so noble as doing it for me and the rest of us. i understand they pose a threat, and where i ride and live population-control hunts are very common, but i think we lose sight of other issues - our OWN population control is more damaging to all of us than some deer.

and when i drive to my deer-infested place at a ski-reosrt in the mountains, hitting a deer is acceptable risk (i have done it too). i dare not engage in or condone population control, as WE built the ski resort in THEIR backyard. fair is fair

and again, i am not all tree-huggin here, just my thoughts. i DO NOT think that this is a good thread, but i will bug off as, true, i am defeating the point of the thread.

:beer:

Originally posted by kewlrunningz
deer sausage is GOOD.

isnt all sausage? :)

Originally posted by Airborne
WE built the ski resort in THEIR backyard...
The problem isn't so much that we build in their backyard but that we end up planting lots of tasty deer food in THEIR backyard. These areas wouldn't have so much of a deer problem if people didn't have nice green lawns and other edible vegetation. I remember hearing, a few years ago, that the deer population today is far greater today than when the white settlers first arrived in North America. You'd think it would be possible to develop communities that weren't quite so attractive to deer.

Originally posted by SteveE

I remember hearing, a few years ago, that the deer population today is far greater today than when the white settlers first arrived in North America.

a lot more people too since then.


(ok, that was the last one, i swear i am done haha):crash:

Originally posted by Pete Clark


Hey, you don't know, maybe this guy does eat deer. Lots of folk still do.

Pete, I am sure that the fact he is hauling the deer proves he plans to eat it.

I doubt he has plans to use the deer as a lawn decoration.:D

Originally posted by mike


Pete, I am sure that the fact he is hauling the deer proves he plans to eat it.

I doubt he has plans to use the deer as a lawn decoration.:D He probably eat half the deer when he got home after that ride,:D

i must say that is not an easy feat as deer can be quite heavy. looks like a smaller Doe, but still probably a good 150 lbs or so!! wow, that takes some balance on the bike! and just raw strenght to get it over your head to begin with!

on the hunting issue: i grew up black-powder rifle hunting with my dad and i also think bow hunting is pretty cool... (i'm an environmentalist and hunter and outdoor recreationalist - mountain biking, hiking, xc skiing, mountaineering, etc - i think it all fits together well)

as to the oversupply of deer: yes, in many places, man has destroyed all the natural habitat and/or hunted and killed all the predators (wolves, coyotes, bears, cougars - most places in the US paid people for every wolf or bear or coyote killed up until the beginning or middle of the 20th century) so that the deer have no natural predators but they can still survive around humans, often coming into housing developments and eating flowers or garden plants. the main killer of deer is automobiles. in these places, it does make sense to allow extra hunting permits, but i also believe in efforts to re-introduce natural predators for a healthy ecosystem -- like the controversial re-introduction of wolves to Idaho and Oregon the last few years (protests by ranchers).

Hunting is fine, I think, if the hunter plans on eating the game. To their credit, all the hunters I know eat what they kill. Eating what we kill is life. We all do it, from the simplest organisms to the most complex. Hunting just to kill, however, is plain wrong. The American bison was just about wiped out because people killed them just to kill them. The "sport" was to shoot them from the windows of trains in the early days of the cross-continental railroads. We humans are the only species that kills like this.

Because I recently heard a talk about the ethics of hunting and fishing, I've been thinking about sport fishing. Catch and release is a common practice in fishing, but is catch and release really ok, or is it cruel to the fish? If the fishers are not eating the fish, should they be catching them?

prosody ... actually, you're being too hard on us poor old humans. other species also hunt for sport. you should see a mother killer whale teaching her pup to hunt seals. it resembles badmitten (sp?).

i, too, don't want to turn this thread into a pi$$ing contest, but i want to say one more thing about hunting to those who would condemn it as a sport. it's not my cup of tea, either, but to put down hunters for enjoying the kill while at the same time paying a farmer to put a bullet through a bull's head is just plain ... how did you put it? ... wrong.

because while the hunter admittedly has a huge advantage over his prey, surely it is not as huge as the farmer's advantage over a penned bull or swine. to condemn the hunter while eating steak is, i submit, just a tad bit hypocritical. doubly so because the buck, before being taken, lived a wild, free life (unlike farm animals).

hunting and killing for food is an age-old practice, and to criticize it seems just a bit silly.

Meat is murder! We humans have the chance to choose what we eat. Predators don´t have that opportunity. Every one should choose to cause as little pain and suffering as possible. The talk about the earth can´t feed all people if they were veggies is crap, it´s the other way around. It takes much more energy to feed one pound meat than to grow vegetables containing the same amount energy as the meat. Now if all people started to eat vegetable food we would bee able to feed all peolpe on this eart if we would share it. Going through meat is a waste of energy. Use the land to grow vegetables instead of using the same area growing less meat feeding less people and causing more suffering.
Guess I´ve made some people mad now...;)

Anders K

anders ... you're late. we've all been waiting for you to show up.

by the way ... i'm eating a big, juicy turkey tomorrow, and you can bet i'll savor every bite and morsel. yummm. i hope you enjoy your ... errrr ... cabbage?

Originally posted by Anders K
Meat is murder! We humans have the chance to choose what we eat. Predators don´t have that opportunity. Every one should choose to cause as little pain and suffering as possible. The talk about the earth can´t feed all people if they were veggies is crap, it´s the other way around. It takes much more energy to feed one pound meat than to grow vegetables containing the same amount energy as the meat. Now if all people started to eat vegetable food we would bee able to feed all peolpe on this eart if we would share it. Going through meat is a waste of energy. Use the land to grow vegetables instead of using the same area growing less meat feeding less people and causing more suffering.
Guess I´ve made some people mad now...;)

Anders K

over 30% of the current population of the world who is currently well-fed would not be if we all stopped eating meat. - not enough land to grow all the food needed..

Originally posted by Airborne


over 30% of the current population of the world who is currently well-fed would not be if we all stopped eating meat. - not enough land to grow all the food needed..

Well, the magical answer to well-being does not lie within the meat, I promise you. Every medichal study points out vegetarian food to be more healthy than meat. It takes more land to feed the animals you slaughter and eat than it would do growing veggie food with the same amount of nutrition. This is facts. By the way, how about the rest of the population (70%)?

About fishing, remember the fish fights for its life while the fisher is having a good time about it. Know what I mean, know what I mean...

Originally posted by Bandit
anders ... you're late. we've all been waiting for you to show up.

by the way ... i'm eating a big, juicy turkey tomorrow, and you can bet i'll savor every bite and morsel. yummm. i hope you enjoy your ... errrr ... cabbage?

Based on IQ, I believe that the domestic turkey can properly be classified as a vegetable. :D

Happy Thanksgiving to all, carnivores and vegetarians alike.

Originally posted by SteveE

[[ I remember hearing, a few years ago, that the deer population today is far greater today than when the white settlers first arrived in North America. ]]

Is there anyone out here from Minnesota? I´m just curious about the place so many Swedish people emigrated to 1850-70. Having read Vilhelm Moberg "The Emigrants", "Unto a Good Land", "The Settlers", and going for the fourth book named "Last Letter Home". This is really interesting reading about a family emigrating in 1850, making theire way up to Minnesota, struggling to start a new home. I can recommend every one to read these books. OK I know i´m off topic here but this really is close to my heart right now just finishing the third book.

Anders K

Anders -

Is this the series of books that was made into a movie (or movies) some years ago? Back in the 70's, I think. I think that there may have been two movies made starring Max Von Sydow and Liv Ullman.

Steve (not from Minnesota) E

Steve, that´s right.
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0067919
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0069035

Regards
Anders K

Anders -

Check out this web site: Minnesota Historical Society (http://http://www.mnhs.org/market/mhspress/0097.html)

Steve

Thought I would chew on the meat-eating debate for a bit.

Who likes beer?

Is there anything more delicious that meat and beer together? Especially a sausage and beer. Someone said that beer is proof that God loves us. Brilliant.

Sure, pretzels are good with beer. Cheese is good with beer. Bourban is good with beer. But, LORD, once you have sausage and beer, that is the final word.

Did you ever have venison sausage and beer? Help! I'm on my way to the fridge right now!

mike ... i find your post to be ABSOLUTELY true. why, i once had bourbon, beer, and sausage and then involuntarily wet my pants.

i'm not kidding ....

Sounds like a song by George Thorogood and the Destroyers:

One Bourbon, One Sausage, and One Beer...

I just finished making a venison sausage receipe that had bourbon in it. I'll tell you how it turned out in a couple days. Having dragged out and lifted 3 deer into my truck in the past week I've got no idea how that guy managed to carry one on his bike. They are heavy and flop in the wrong direction every time you lift them. It doesn't even look like he had even gutted it which would add another 50 pounds.

I remember carying so many animals back home in a basket on an old single speed bike from traping when I was a teen! My grandfather had a big chuckle telling of one of my friends coming down the road with a huge beaver straped across ther handle bars, how I wish I had a picture of that one now!
In the natural life that is not so far removed from all of us meat was a staple and all humans hunted! We don't have canine teeth for nothing you know, if we where ment to be vegie only creatures we would have eyes on the sides of our head and flat teeth! Don't all mammal preditors have fordward looking binocular vision and all prey have eyes on the side of there skull?
We are omnivores that use all food stuffs including meat!
Nuff about that though. This is something you could have very well seen where I grew up but talk about a feat. I have caried deer for miles but couldn't imagine trying to ride a bike with one on my shoulder.

BTW many animals we eat make use of food stuffs that humans arn't capable of digesting. Pigs can eat garbage, cattle etc. can turn cellulose into meat and deer browse on stuff no one would eat!

Originally posted by blwyn
I just finished making a venison sausage receipe that had bourbon in it. I'll tell you how it turned out in a couple days. Having dragged out and lifted 3 deer into my truck in the past week I've got no idea how that guy managed to carry one on his bike. They are heavy and flop in the wrong direction every time you lift them. It doesn't even look like he had even gutted it which would add another 50 pounds.

BLWYN, bring some of that sausage on our next tour!

WHat about the concern about cronic wasting disease? Hate to have something like that goof up my bicycling capabilities :D

CWD only damages the brain so it's of little risk to me!:D

Actually, I am concerned about it, but there are risks with anything we eat. Farm raised meat has growth hormones and antibiotics in it, not to metion forms of CWD in cattle and sheep. Fruits and vegatables have pesticides and preservatives (even most of the so called organics). So take your chances. As Uciflylow says venison is very low impact on the environment. It is also very low in cholesterol. Until CWD becomes more prevalent I take my chances.

Originally posted by mike
Thought I would chew on the meat-eating debate for a bit.

Who likes beer?

Is there anything more delicious that meat and beer together? Especially a sausage and beer. Someone said that beer is proof that God loves us.

ben franklin

maybe the deer was injured by an evil passing motorist & the good cyclist is taking it to the animal hostpitial.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by greywolf
maybe the deer was injured by an evil passing motorist & the good cyclist is taking it to the animal hostpital.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That's rich! :roflmao: :thumbup:

Originally posted by greywolf
maybe the deer was injured by an evil passing motorist & the good cyclist is taking it to the animal hostpitial.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Not in that neck of the woods. Up there nothing says free supper like fresh road kill!

Originally posted by Airborne

...i am not some greenpeace blind weenie, ...

Man, these people risk their lives for you, for your environment. Weenie... Do not speak contemptuously about what you have no clue.


Originally posted by Airborne

yes i ... have leather shoes


A leather or fur clothing is the symbol of human cruelty.

"Man those people risk their lives for you."

dear max ... maybe they risk their lives for YOU, but not for me. please don't make the assumption that all those who ride bicycles are eco nazis. 'tis not true.

OMG!:rolleyes: MAX

Look at your history man! All humans surived by killing and eating Bambi etc. Please get a grip!

Originally posted by Bandit
"Man those people risk their lives for you."

dear max ... maybe they risk their lives for YOU, but not for me. please don't make the assumption that all those who ride bicycles are eco nazis. 'tis not true.

Yes, I know. Many cyclists drive hundreds of miles with the bike on the rack to cycle 10 miles in the end.

Greenpeace are not eco nazis, if it is what you mean. Just visit the site http://www.greenpeace.org , read, and you will see that they are handling serious things.

To imply that the greenpeace is like some unworthy clowns is like to sit on a branch and cut it at the same time with a saw.

I know that people do eat bambies. Life is full of tragic controversies. But to manifest and feast the human cruelty by wearing leather shoes or fur coats is something different.

Sometimes industry does not provide good shoes made from a better material than leather. But with coats it is generally possible to find a decent coat made from a textile.

Originally posted by Max


Yes, I know. Many cyclists drive hundreds of miles with the bike on the rack to cycle 10 miles in the end.

Greenpeace are not eco nazis, if it is what you mean. Just visit the site http://www.greenpeace.org , read, and you will see that they are handling serious things.

To imply that the greenpeace is like some unworthy clowns is like to sit on a branch and cut it at the same time with a saw.

I know that people do eat bambies. Life is full of tragic controversies. But to manifest and feast the human cruelty by wearing leather shoes or fur coats is something different.

Sometimes industry does not provide good shoes made from a better material than leather. But with coats it is generally possible to find a decent coat made from a textile. While I totally agree with the fur coat issue I take homage to your stance on leather jackets and coats. I have a leather jacket that has saved my life on several occasions and saved me from greivous injury at least as many times and the only repairs needed were a bit of dye and some saddle soap. In order to perform the same feats a jacket would have to be made of some sort of Kevlar blend and I seriously doubt that it would be restored to an acceptable condition with a little dye and a quick cleaning. Countless lives have been saved with the use of leather from the first caveman who discovered how to cure animal hides to today's motorcyclists. Leather today generally comes from animals that are also used for meat products making for less waste than the fur industry. (I don't see any mink or chinchilla meat at the local meat counter.) Leather is not always for fashion. In the future I would hope that wou will pick your battles more carefully. May I suggest attacking the SUV trend? That's ALWAYS good for an arguement. In fact I can hear Garbear and Andy licking their chops right now. LOL (I say this with all due respect guys so no flaming )

brookes saddles ????????:p

I would not like to argue to absurdity. Of course, if you own a leather jacket - wear it. Enjoy it.

But in principle, the clothing industry, especially in western Europe, begins to produce nowadays clothing and shoes from new materials, which are extremely wearable, and look unbelievably good and fashionable.

Given a choice, I prefer the coat from a material, which does not manifest or celebrate the human cruelty. Especially, if this coat is better, than a leather or fur one.

The research in this field will bring materials, which surpass the leather and fur in durability and other qualities.

I understand the nature of your conservative views. But, please, agree that the change in attitudes is the part of the historic process.

People do have the dark side. There are issues in human nature, like aggressiveness, unprovoked cruelty, etc. , which bring many problems, such as wars, discriminations, etc.

There was the time when the major mainstream entertainment was to view how people punctured one another with knives on the arena.

Researches, who study primates, noticed a quality among them, which is not present among other species, - it is the sudden outbursts of aggression. Sometimes it is directed even against own offspring. In this case they kill and eat own descendants. Humans are close biological relatives of primates. Think about it.

I do not insist that you share my views. But is it fair to call this man an "eco nazi" or "greenpeace blind weenie"?

Originally posted by Max

I understand the nature of your conservative views.
Do a search using my handle and SUV then call me conservative. You truly have NO idea who you are talking to.