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I'm just curious about our abilities here. I'm not interested in your average speed--you know, the one on your bike computer. That one gets all mucked up by hills and stop signs. Your usual speed is what you usually see when you are just going along and happen to look down at your bike computer.
Just to make it less boring, please comment on anything you like related to your speed. Are you faster than the rest of traffic? Does how fast you can go change what streets you will use? Does your ability for speed (or lack thereof) inform your advocacy? Do you let things slow you down or do you do everything you can not to slow down including run stops and/or otherwise do things outside the technical law? Do you prefer the slow lane, to amble along, and not get too sweaty? Whatever you want.
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I haven't had a bike computer for the last few years. I have no idea how fast I'm going apart from average speed, which changes according to wind direction and speed.
:D
My wifey did clock me at about 40 downhill on my bent recently, but downhill doesn't really count in my book.
Now you've got me curious! Time to install the new bike computer my folks sent me a couple years ago...
I average about 15.5 on local streets and hills. On flats 20+ is quite doable, after I am warmed up, on flat ground I can easily ride 22MPH. On steep hills it is around 8MPH.
I see 17-20MPH on my computer a lot.
Anything over 30 and I tend to reach for the brakes.
Fully commuter loaded on my commute bike, I tend to be in the 15-18MPH range... up hill isn't any slower (8MPH), but it is harder to reach the same peaks on the flats with the heavier bike.
I selected 16 - 19, and assumed that you refered to urban areas with busy traffic, right?
Are you faster than the rest of traffic? Not always but often though. ;)
Does how fast you can go change what streets you will use? Yes, I tend to avoid streets with holes and obstacles such as speed bumps or streets with too many intersections when there is a better choice even if longer.
Does your ability for speed (or lack thereof) inform your advocacy? I think it is safer to keep a good sustained speed. Cadence > 75-80 and avoid coasting, this allows for quicker accelerations and helps prevent oncoming motorists from underestimating your speed.
Do you let things slow you down or do you do everything you can not to slow down including run stops and/or otherwise do things outside the technical law? I don't let anything slow me down other than staying away from a dangerous motorist's move or some complicated situations where I judge safer to slow down. I don't run stops or lights and don't consider these as slowing me down, they are part of traffic management and allow me to go faster by retaining traffic from secondary roads/streets and/or the light is green.
Do you prefer the slow lane, to amble along, and not get too sweaty? I wan't say I never do, but the traffic would have to be very quite. Even in a bike lane, I don't think it is safe to amble along.
I've hit 55 mph before on one downhill, but usually I am holding somewhere around 20 mph on the flat. I am not usually faster than traffic, but I like holding a high speed to minimize the speed differential and so increase my reaction time.
As for the other stuff, I generally think it is a good thing to keep a high sustained speed, for the reason stated above, but I follow most of the traffic rules such as lights and stuff. When I was living in the University District in Seattle, I would many times cut through parking lots though to avoid the many lights there.
I don't usually amble, but that is just me. When I am on my bike, I just like to go. If I am in fully civilian dress, I do take it easier though, to avoid sweating.
On my commute to work I average 15 mph. There is about 800 feet of total climbing over 10-12 miles depending on the route that I take. I go as little as 4mph in places up the 1800 foot, 14% grade. My bike weighs about 35 loaded and I use 26x2 contental double fighter kevlar tires.
The max speed that I've hit on that bike was 48 drafting behind a bus and flying down the 14% grade. My bike is geared low, so I probably would have to be spinning about 150-155 rpm.
Doing about 150 rpm, I hit 51 on another 27x1 tire with a 52X13 this was going down an 10%, 2000 foot hill.
I have a Burley Rock and Roll tandem which my wife and I can pedal at a consistant 35 mph on a smooth, level roadway. It is nice to leasurely keep up with traffic and take up one lane of a 2 lane 35 mph road. We've toped that thing out at 48 mph going down an 8 % grade. Even with a drum brake it takes a good bit of time to stop.
I usually cruise at about 20 mph. Anywhere from 30 to 40 kph (isn't that about 19 to 25 mph?).
My fastest speed was 85 kph and often hit 50 kph but I've battled head winds so strong it was more or less a trackstand all the way into work.
I'll never have the horse power a car does but, traffic and parking is much more bike friendly so I end up taking as much time in my car going to work as I do riding my bike into work.
I have a pretty flat commute. I am usually doing 16 to 19 on my road bike on level ground. The traffic is usually light.
When the traffic gets heavier, that results in more stops at signals, but between signals my speeds tend to be higher because the other vehicles reduce my wind drag and because I put a little extra effort into keeping up with other traffic. I sometimes maintain over 25 mph for a long time if the traffic is moving just right. These are narrow-lane 4-lane roads where I ride near the center of the rightmost through lane.
When I ride around the neighborhood with my son in the trailer behind me, or when I ride my mountain bike, I go a lot slower, say 12-16.
I'm not very fast, due to a slow bike, advanced age :) and the fact that I ride many miles, so I have to pace myself.
I think I have the same rights to use the roads as a slow rider that a faster rider would have. Or a fast sports car, for that matter.
I have gotten so I don't think about my speed in relation to other traffic in that way. It just doesn't matter if they want to go faster than me. I don't care. It's their problem. Let 'em go around me if they want.
22mph is my usual cruising speed. My commute route is very flat, the prevailing winds are generally sideways, and my route is only 5.5 miles one way. I'm generally faster than cars in city traffic or in areas with frequent turns.
I have a habit of turning every commute into a time trial, even though I try to tell myself to take it easy. I'll stop for most stop signs, but I admit to routinely blowing through three 4-way stops where there is excellent visibilty (for me) and little chance of encountering opposing traffic.
Riding faster seems to me somewhat of a double edged sword. On one hand I feel like I maybe get more respect from some motorists because I'm traveling about the same speed as they are. On the other hand sometimes motorists see me but don't realize how fast I'm going, because they're used to seeing people on bikes (kids) going much slower. This sometimes leads to them misjudging how much time they have to turn in front of me. For the most part however, I get a sense of feeling safer while riding faster. I'm not exactly sure why though.
I checked the 14-17 mph range, into which my level cruising speed generally falls. On the road, I seem to be pretty average, getting passed by the better club riders and triathletes, but passing the casual riders. I am about 1 mph slower on my mountain bike.
I am geared (around 100 gear-inches) for a top downhill speed of about 32 mph and have little desire to go any faster than that. I am much more interested in challenging myself to improve my speed on gradual climbs.
My wifey did clock me at about 40 downhill on my bent recently, but downhill doesn't really count in my book.
I am geared (around 100 gear-inches) for a top downhill speed of about 32 mph and have little desire to go any faster than that.
I get a kick out of riding fast downhill, but my better judgement tells me that going slowly on a bike (10 mph. to 25 mph.) is one thing that makes it safer. I think there's more to be gained safety-wise by going slower than traffic than there is to be gained by trying to keep pace. Let those motorists get past me and out of my way. :D
I get a kick out of riding fast downhill, but my better judgement tells me that going slowly on a bike (10 mph. to 25 mph.) is one thing that makes it safer. I think there's more to be gained safety-wise by going slower than traffic than there is to be gained by trying to keep pace. Let those motorists get past me and out of my way. :D
Got that right!
Of course fast is fun in the right place. There's a super long gradual hill with wide lanes and almost no traffic or parked cars. I love to top out my gears going down, then turn around and chug up the hill, then turn around and fly down again. I could do this all afternoon--a real fun way to do interval training! (It doesn't take much to amuse me.)
I ditched my computer because it was depressing to have
my shortcomings digitally displyed for the world to see but I have found
aprox. 15mph is where I hover for most of my trip. I am working for a
TEMP agency right now and on each of the assignments they send me to
I google the distance and use 15mph as my base figure on when I should
leave my house and Im always right on time. I appreciate turtles slow and
patient persistance and have modeled my attitude and riding style likewise :p
I think the speed/safety issue has more to do with comfort and practice with timing maneuvers than anything else. I usually ride between 15 and 20 mph in traffic, so I feel comfortable maneuvering at that speed. Any slower, and my timing is off. Faster, and I feel that cars start taking too long to pass me, making it less comfortable to share a lane and again, throwing my timing for maneuvers off.
That said, I think that anyone can get accustomed to riding in traffic at almost any speed.
I ditched my computer because it was depressing to have
my shortcomings digitally displyed for the world to see but I have found
aprox. 15mph is where I hover for most of my trip. I am working for a
TEMP agency right now and on each of the assignments they send me to
I google the distance and use 15mph as my base figure on when I should
leave my house and Im always right on time. I appreciate turtles slow and
patient persistance and have modeled my attitude and riding style likewise :p
My average speed isn't much higher. On my long commute, there are only a couple stoplights, so I can average my normal crusing speed of around 18 mph. On my short commute with my fixed, I average only about 10 mph, both because of all the stops and the fact my fixie is geared to be slower so I can make it up the hills. I don't know exactly because I refuse to put a computer on such a refined and simplified piece of machinery. If I want to be a speed demon, I've got other bikes for that.
How many folks here do not use a bike computer, and never have? I'm one of 'em. I just don't care that much about the details, as long as I get where I need to be on time.
But I'm not a sports cyclist or training for anything. My bike gets me to work and errands, so I'm usually not trying to push myself too hard. I do notice I tend to pass a lot of other bikers (the pokey ones) and I like to go fast, but I do that when I'm walking too.
One of my favorite cycling related quotes:
I came out for exercise, gentle exercise, and to notice the scenery and to botanise. And no sooner do I get on that accursed machine than off I go hammer and tongs; I never look to right or left, never notice a flower, never see a view - get hot, juicy, red - like a grilled chop. Get me on that machine and I have to go. I go scorching along the road, and cursing aloud at myself for doing it.
~H.G. Wells, The Wheels of Chance
My average speed isn't much higher. On my long commute, there are only a couple stoplights, so I can average my normal crusing speed of around 18 mph. On my short commute with my fixed, I average only about 10 mph, both because of all the stops and the fact my fixie is geared to be slower so I can make it up the hills. I don't know exactly because I refuse to put a computer on such a refined and simplified piece of machinery. If I want to be a speed demon, I've got other bikes for that.
You point out some elements that might determine mine to be a little
slower actually :eek: I might only have to stop twice in an 8 mile
commute from where I am into the closest town. If I were to have a
few definate stops It would probably dip into the little-kid-on-a-BMX
bike speed range :eek:. When I started to ride my fixie, I actually dropped about
2 whole minutes on the 8 mile commute compared to the bike I rode previously.
Go figure :eek:. I think the reason is that despite the lower, hill friendly gearing
I am pedalling the whole way and on the geared bike I coasted more than I realized.
I checked the 14-17 mph button. Had I answered this question last November, after only a month of occasional commuting, I would have checked the 12-15 mph button, and would have said that when I looked down the typical value would have been 13 or 14 mph. Nowadays, the typical value is 15 or 16 mph.
I have a 3.3 mi commute (one way) and I generally do the first mile slowly, then speed up. I treat the commute as light exercise, so that I get warm but don't sweat too much at this time of the year, with temperatures in the 40's to low 60's typical when I commute. Usually I warm up enough to take off my long-sleeve shirt (over my bike forum Alert shirt), or at least open it up for the last mile, in which there is a short (1/4 mile long) but steep hill. I have a fan at my desk at work, so if I am sweaty, I turn it on for five minutes. Although I have a rack on my bike, I generally use a somewhat overloaded backpack, which is the main reason I'm a bit sweaty.
I checked the 18+ button. I would consider 20-22mph my cruising speed, even on the commute. I started bike commuting while training for triathlons; it was so much simpler to ride directly from work than to take the bus home and get the bike. Now I have young kids and time is at a premium so I still use the commute as training time.
Wow, a lot of you guys are really fast. I don't think I would feel safe at some of your high usual speeds. I really should have checked the 12-15 button, but really it's more like 11-13 for me. And I'm doing the best I can! (By the way, the bike computer for me is mostly for distance. I want to know how much I ride. And how fast down hill. Otherwise, I am not all that concerned with it.)
I've got a lot of you beat on max speed, though: 39.9. Just couldn't get it to 40. My mantra: "light touch, don't squeeze, light touch, don't squeeze." I didn't want to panic brake at that speed!
Anyway, I never would have thought that you use speed as a safety measure. I slow down a little when I want to increase my safety.
Diane,
Not that I am a speed freak, but how fast have you ridden on that trike coming down the hills of sunny, Southern California?
EDIT: add-- OK I sould have just thought real hard and waited, since you beat me to the post while I was posting. I presume that that speed is on your trike? Does it feel "twitchy" with such a short wheelbase?
I think the speed/safety issue has more to do with comfort and practice with timing maneuvers than anything else. I usually ride between 15 and 20 mph in traffic, so I feel comfortable maneuvering at that speed. Any slower, and my timing is off. Faster, and I feel that cars start taking too long to pass me, making it less comfortable to share a lane and again, throwing my timing for maneuvers off.
That said, I think that anyone can get accustomed to riding in traffic at almost any speed.
That said, the slower one rides relative to other traffic, the more difficult it becomes to time moves while merging into traffic... This was even observed and mentioned by John Forester. It again comes down to that speed delta thing. So while one can ride at 8MPH, merging into 50+MPH traffic can be quite difficult, especially if it is dense traffic. That difficulty can border on "impossible," again depending on the density and mood of the motor vehicles and drivers. (some drivers can be pretty darn dense... ;) )
My wife got me a computer a while back. It is a real nice P-Brain with an altimeter and HRM. I like to display only the HRM so that I dont get all caught up in how fast or slow I am going. Of course I can download later and see the max and aveerage.
I think that it is important to not get yourself all hung up on your speed. I've found that the HRM is probably the best feature of the computer since it keeps me from blowing myself up and, therefore helps me to improve faster, with less pain.
How many folks here do not use a bike computer, and never have? I'm one of 'em. I just don't care that much about the details, as long as I get where I need to be on time.
But I'm not a sports cyclist or training for anything. My bike gets me to work and errands, so I'm usually not trying to push myself too hard. I do notice I tend to pass a lot of other bikers (the pokey ones) and I like to go fast, but I do that when I'm walking too.
My first bike, back in the 1950s, had a speedometer. The thing worked fine for a few months, then broke. That was my last bike computer.
Paul
I checked the 18+ button. I would consider 20-22mph my cruising speed, even on the commute. I started bike commuting while training for triathlons; it was so much simpler to ride directly from work than to take the bus home and get the bike. Now I have young kids and time is at a premium so I still use the commute as training time.
Careful using commutes as training rides... I was prone to do that myself and found that I was putting too much emphasis on speed and not enough on safety.
My commutes now focus on seeing and being seen... I had one too many close calls last year.
However, that is not to say I don't spin as well as I can up those long slopes... :D
genec, you make a good point both times. I feel safer when I'm matching the speed of traffic especially on this one point where I need to make a left turn from a 25mph one-way three-lane street. Maybe it's because they've gotten used to seeing me, but when I'm in the flow and taking the lane, it's no problem to make a hand signal and then assertively move over.
And no light running for me. I might "California roll" through a stop sign but in Midtown I never ever blow through a red light.
Diane,
Not that I am a speed freak, but how fast have you ridden on that trike coming down the hills of sunny, Southern California?
EDIT: add-- OK I sould have just thought real hard and waited, since you beat me to the post while I was posting. I presume that that speed is on your trike? Does it feel "twitchy" with such a short wheelbase?
39.9 on my trike, yes.
I prefer the word "responsive" to "twitchy", but no, it felt quite stable. Maybe a little "floaty". The '05 Pocket is a bit better on that than previous models.
It is nice that many of you have the "choice" to speed up to match the speed of traffic. What about those of us who cannot go any faster? I don't know how on earth you guys go 25. It would be a miracle if I could do that without a gravity assist, and that doesn't matter what kind of bike I'm riding.
I think Seattle is pretty hilly. I hit 30 MPH+ within 50 feet of leaving my apartment (live on a steep hill) and also encounter uphills around town you're lucky to get 5 MPH (steep, steep streets with steps in the sidewalks.)
However, average speeds for me are 16-22 MPH on the flats.
Off a stop light, i'll spin it up to 20-21MPH (and beat 98% of the cars to the middle of the block!) before I have to coast to the next light or hammer it out.
16MPH just taking it easy, 22MPH if I'm pushing a little sprint to do some lateral lane shifts ;)
or otherwise.
Plenty of spots around Seattle I hit 25 MPH on the bike or over. I usually start to coast around 26. today's top speed on a 20 mile errand loop around Seattle: 36MPH.
Touring, however, i'm lucky to get over 9 MPH, if I factor in all the breaks and getting lost, etc....
It is nice that many of you have the "choice" to speed up to match the speed of traffic. What about those of us who cannot go any faster? I don't know how on earth you guys go 25. It would be a miracle if I could do that without a gravity assist, and that doesn't matter what kind of bike I'm riding.
The funny thing is that the 22-25MPH range is pretty much what the traffic is doing on 35-45MPH roads... when there are a lot of stoplights... those motorists just barely get up to speed before having to slow down for the next light. So certainly cyclists doing that 22MPH or so are NOT slowing traffic at all.
How is it done? Strong legs and practice... that's all I know. I suspect your trike is fairly heavy, so that takes away some of your "punch," also because you don't "balance" per se, you don't have the ability to throw your weight into the takeoff. You also have more friction based on more road contact area... those three things alone can make all the difference in the world.
I know this is going to sound snarky but it's not: If you want to ride faster you have to ride faster.
(It's sort of a cycling zen koan.)
I estimate my speed on the commuter at 18+, I had to take the computer off of it because it caused me to work too much. I hold 22mph on my TT bike for decent stretches, and I have held 30+ on that bike with a good tail wind and a disc wheel for over 10 miles. But that is not commuting. The computer on the commuter made me want to hold 20+ all the time and I can't on that bike so I took it off.
A six mile ride takes about 40 minutes, door to door. There are about 20 stoplights and stop signs, so my cruising speed is much higher than my average.
Are you faster than the rest of traffic?
Depends on how much congestion there is
Does how fast you can go change what streets you will use?
No
Does your ability for speed (or lack thereof) inform your advocacy?
No
Do you let things slow you down or do you do everything you can not to slow down including run stops and/or otherwise do things outside the technical law?
I follow the law strictly.
Do you prefer the slow lane, to amble along, and not get too sweaty?
I ride at about the same level of effort that I use when walking. Not being sweaty is important.
Paul
< 8mph for me (~4 mph) and I ascend 1600' to get to my office in the foothills of Angeles National Forest. :o Going back home down the mountain? Between 35 - 41+ mph. :D
You forgot the "who cares" option.
You forgot the "who cares" option.
She probably figured if you didn't care you'd move along. Quietly.
Try that next time, huh?
In the foot hills of the Cascades my speed range from 8mph on ascents to 35mph on the decents. Working on improving the hill speed cause that's what slows my overall average commute time.
Rarely to I see a 'flat' unless it's someone's racing tire. So I don't have an average on the flats ;)
Bek,
Looks like your route has some abrupt hills rather than the long ascents, descents we have here.
VR, being that i ride Seattle metro just like you, not very much difference..... ;) Finn hill's still hilly, cougar mountain is more than a little mountainous, riding to the top of Queen Anne or Capitol Hill ONCE is still more uphill than a month in Iowa, i think....
"more uphill than a month in Iowa" is what most every bicyclist goes thru in a day in Seattle (although i've seen some wicked hills in Dubuque and it wasn't just the Red Star talking)
That's the trouble with "average" speed on the computer. The downhills can actually be no help at all to raise your average speed since you spend so little time going down hill relatively. It may not be mathematically accurate, but I swear the faster you go downhill the worse your average speed becomes.
Average speed is pretty meaningless anyway. I mean, what is better? A good work out? Getting to work on time? Enjoying yourself? Or having some number flashing at you on an LCD screen?
That's why I was more interested in your usual speed. Usually I see I'm going around 11 to 15 or so, mostly right around 13. A lot of times I get impatient motorists passing me on the wrong side of the street and I'm going 15 and the speed limit is 25. I've even had some impatient beasts tailgaiting me on downhills when I'm going 26, which is technically over the speed limit of 25. And in a school zone, too. Sometimes I get the feeling that even if we rode 45mph everywhere the motorists would still be trying to push us off the road, passing us dangerously or otherwise just being road-ragers.
That wasn't the point of this topic. There just seems to be bad mojo out there lately. Last 3 rides to work I've almost been killed both on the way there and on the way home by impatient jerks and people who have no idea how to maneuver their lumbering hulk vehicles. I'm sort of dreading the ride today. But I need the exercise. Must...zip....up...these...pants...that...fit...last...month...
... what is better? A good work out? Getting to work on time? Enjoying yourself? Or having some number flashing at you on an LCD screen?
... A lot of times I get impatient motorists passing me on the wrong side of the street and I'm going 15 and the speed limit is 25. I've even had some impatient beasts tailgaiting me on downhills when I'm going 26... Sometimes I get the feeling that even if we rode 45mph everywhere the motorists would still be trying to push us off the road, passing us dangerously or otherwise just being road-ragers.
Good points.
Everyone is different, every ride has different circumstances.
I was going down a hill at 65 kph in a 50 kph zone and still have had a driver honk at me before pulling into the passing lane to get by me. Every day as I take my last kilometer into work at the airport I'm in a 40 and 20 kph zone and I'm doing the limit and cars still fly by me.
Unless I'm training for something or in a competetive situation, I just go with what's comfortable for me.
A lot of times I get impatient motorists passing me on the wrong side of the street and I'm going 15 and the speed limit is 25. I've even had some impatient beasts tailgaiting me on downhills when I'm going 26, which is technically over the speed limit of 25. And in a school zone, too. Sometimes I get the feeling that even if we rode 45mph everywhere the motorists would still be trying to push us off the road, passing us dangerously or otherwise just being road-ragers.
That wasn't the point of this topic. There just seems to be bad mojo out there lately. Last 3 rides to work I've almost been killed both on the way there and on the way home by impatient jerks and people who have no idea how to maneuver their lumbering hulk vehicles. I'm sort of dreading the ride today. But I need the exercise. Must...zip....up...these...pants...that...fit...last...month...
Some of this sounds like it could be typical for an area like SB with segregated facility mentality, where motorists are particularly acclimatized to the notion that cyclists should not be in their way.
In the instance where you were tailgated on the downhill, did you issue the slow/stop signal with your left arm? If so, what was the reaction, if any? I've never had a tailgater not back off immediately whenever I've done that. I suspect they just don't realize what they're doing. In fact, there have been times on the freeway where I've been tailgating, not realizing it myself until my wife cleared her throat... So, I think of issuing the slow/stop signal as a way of bringing the fact that they are tailgating to their attention. Since they always immediately backoff, I have strong reason to believe I'm correct that a significant part of the problem is that they don't realize they're tailgating.
Can you give us an idea of what happened in the other instances where you feel you were almost killed?
Also, slower traffic has an obligation to yield to faster traffic even if the slower traffic is going at or faster than the speed limit (if it's safe and reasonable to yield).
You could be going 80 mph in the fast lane on a freeway, but if someone behind you flashes their headlights, you're supposed to pull over.
21654. (a) Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, ..
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21654.htm
21753. Except when passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall safely move to the right-hand side of the highway in favor of the overtaking vehicle after an audible signal or a momentary flash of headlights by the overtaking vehicle, and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle. This section does not require the driver of an overtaken vehicle to drive on the shoulder of the highway in order to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21753.htm
Helmie... Are you participating in this thread, or just here to criticize others? So, what's your average speed (or normal cruising speed), and how do you think this affects how you deal with traffic? We had a nice discussion going on about this topic until you chose to take it to a tangent, instead of contributing.
I would have thought that etiquette demands that the first post be a freestanding post and a reply to the OP. Last I looked, bike lanes (or "segregated facilities") weren't a part of this thread. (you're going to conveniently forget where you started out with bike lanes again so look at the first line of your first post) BTW, you one time requested an example where you turned a thread to your own agenda (opposing bike lanes); well, here is a prime example, and by page 2 even.
I addressed Diane, the OP, in response to something she wrote in this thread. If she feels it's a tangent that she does not want to pursue, she is free to not respond to my questions, and I would have no problem with that.
As to the topic raised in the thread, I did respond to the poll, but I find the topic itself not very interesting. As I've said many times before, I usually ride on my road bike, at relatively fast speeds, but I also ride my mountain bikes pulling a 60 lbs trailer, which is much, much slower. However, I find the effect the speed has on how I interact with drivers to be negligible, or how they deal with me, to be negligible.
Just want to get it on record that you tend to try to pull threads in the direction of bike lanes, or rather your opposition to them. You are frequently charged of it, and you frequently deny it, asking for examples (which is what you will do with this statement as well). Well, here is your example.
Feel free not to post on a topic you find disinteresting. Pulling a comment out of context and commenting on it is like a lurker in a dinner conversation all of the sudden butting into a conversation to comment on something completely unrelated. "Walking in on the end of a conversation..." is the phrase which comes to mind.
Just want to get it on record that you tend to try to pull threads in the direction of bike lanes, or rather your opposition to them. You are frequently charged of it, and you frequently deny it, asking for examples (which is what you will do with this statement as well). Well, here is your example.
I pointed out another example too.
On the "How Not to be Hit by Cars" thread, HH pulled in the bike lane issue, to which I replied,
"Funny, I see no mention on the How Not to Get Hit by Cars webpage about bike lanes... I guess each of us have our own way of viewing things, but at least my question... was a topic that is raised in the first paragraph and explained in detail on a linked page. "
I feel good that at least I don't make every issue raised about helmets.
However, I find the effect the speed has on how I interact with drivers to be negligible, or how they deal with me, to be negligible.
Funny, Forester did not find it "negligible." He acknowledged that at a higher speed differential it could be difficult to "negotiate" with motorists. At least he understood that reality.
Just want to get it on record that you tend to try to pull threads in the direction of bike lanes, or rather your opposition to them.
Well, duh. In case you haven't noticed, despite all my efforts to make it obvious, I HAVE AN AGENDA. That agenda is noted in the signature of every post I make for a reason, so that my words and purpose can be understood in the context of my agenda.
Furthermore, people make comments tangential to the OP of the thread here all the time. Heck, the very post of Diane's to which I responded was a tangent, the theme of which was "the bad mojo out there lately". Sometimes they stick (others respond, if interested), sometimes they don't (everyone ignores). That's all normal, and there's nothing wrong with it, unless the OP has made a specific request to stick to something in particular in the thread, or not go into particular areas.
That's all I'm going to say on this tangential topic that Brian started about whether it's appropriate to take tangents. :rolleyes:
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