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My Evolvers started losing tension on one of the arms. The bolt that goes into the frame brake mount broke, & revealing a warped spring. It was the larger spring (soft ones feel too mushy to me).
Hopefully I can get a screw extractor to get the remainder of the brake's bolt out, thus not RUINING my new frame. Any brand of screw extractors preferred?
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Um, i dont know about screw extractors, but i do know that if and when you get the bolt off and out, you can purchase new springs from Empire and other mailorders...
Yeah
At every hardware store in the United States. It's only the most popular brand...
I didn't know EZ out was an actual brand. I do know that if you go to Sears they have several types of extractors (depending on the application) in the Craftsmen brand that are top quality.
I'm pretty positive that it's the brand name; I don't rememebr seeing Craftsman or any other company name stamped on them the last time I went to Home Depot.
You do realize that the bolt only needs to lock off the spring cap, pinkie finger tight should be enough and you shouldn't have problems with them snapping.
You do realize that the bolt only needs to lock off the spring cap, pinkie finger tight should be enough and you shouldn't have problems with them snapping.
Thats what i was saying to myself when i was reading this, but apparently your wrong...
You do realize that the bolt only needs to lock off the spring cap, pinkie finger tight should be enough and you shouldn't have problems with them snapping.
It wouldn't hold the cap in place just pinkie tight. It would just back off, losing the springs tension.
I forsee Revenge Industries brakes' in my near future.
I forsee Revenge Industries brakes' in my near future.
If your going to dish out that kind of money for brakes, get Fly brakes.
There both very good though, and dont underestimate your Odyssey's there nice too, i should have gotten Ody's instead of my shody Primo's...
Dont forget if your not trying to spend money you can go to EmpireBMX's site and buy everything to re-build your Elvolvers but the arms.
http://www.empirebmx.com/catalog/showdetail2.aspx?id=1030000&ret=catalog.aspx
If your going to dish out that kind of money for brakes, get Fly brakes.
There both very good though, and dont underestimate your Odyssey's there nice too, i should have gotten Ody's instead of my shody Primo's...
Dont forget if your not trying to spend money you can go to EmpireBMX's site and buy everything to re-build your Elvolvers but the arms.
http://www.empirebmx.com/catalog/showdetail2.aspx?id=1030000&ret=catalog.aspx
I think Odyssey should send me new stuff due to it being so new & not working right in the 1st place. The front Ody brake works almost too good...
I mentioned Revenge due to it's having (sealed) bearings. I figure I wouldn't have to worry with the same not working right design as the Ody (@#$^#$^* non-working spring cap/failed spring).
I hope I can get the remainder of the bolt out of my frame's brake mount!
you know it comes with spare springs and stuff when you buy it...
you know it comes with spare springs and stuff when you buy it...
Not a spare...it comes with soft & heavy springs. I used the soft springs 1st & it felt way too mushy. It was the heavy spring that lost it's shape & caused this whole ordeal!:mad:
I'm pretty positive that it's the brand name; I don't rememebr seeing Craftsman or any other company name stamped on them the last time I went to Home Depot.
you are correct. just like everyone refers to hook and loop fasteners as velcro.
Does Revenge Industries have a website? I can't seem to find it...:(
I didn't know EZ out was an actual brand. I do know that if you go to Sears they have several types of extractors (depending on the application) in the Craftsmen brand that are top quality.
For the record craftsman arent top quality. Snap on is.
Does Revenge Industries have a website? I can't seem to find it...:(
i think i found them at s&m website. i just got mine, but now i am thinking of sending them back and using avid ultimate brakes
i think i found them at s&m website. i just got mine, but now i am thinking of sending them back and using avid ultimate brakes
Thanks!
Why get rid of them?
Also, I saw nothing about the "Ultimate Brakes" on Avid's site...
Thanks!
Why get rid of them?
Also, I saw nothing about the "Ultimate Brakes" on Avid's site...
oh i don't know....i kind of like the idea of using v-brakes rather than u-brakes if it doesn't turn into a big ordeal.
there is a pic of the ultimate avid's in the other v-brake thread i started.
http://www.sram.com/en/avid/rimbrakes/singledigit/singledigitultimate.php
oh i don't know....i kind of like the idea of using v-brakes rather than u-brakes if it doesn't turn into a big ordeal.
there is a pic of the ultimate avid's in the other v-brake thread i started.
http://www.sram.com/en/avid/rimbrakes/singledigit/singledigitultimate.php
V brakes are more prone to flexing than u brakes due to their longer arms...
Wanna trade 2 Ody Evolvers for your Revenge...lol.
V brakes are more prone to flexing than u brakes due to their longer arms...
Wanna trade 2 Ody Evolvers for your Revenge...lol.
yeah but the leverage is totally different. i don't know much or care for rim brakes. but these seem like the best.
yeah but the leverage is totally different. i don't know much or care for rim brakes. but these seem like the best.
I like rim brakes if they don't have flaws (****ing **** Ody springs/spring caps).
I find it funny that you're complaining about the Odyssey springs and caps, when more likely than not, it's your own goddamn fault for overtensioning the bolt in the first place. I've never, ever, heard of that happening to anyone else, with Evolvers or any other brakes, for that matter.
I find it funny that you're complaining about the Odyssey springs and caps, when more likely than not, it's your own goddamn fault for overtensioning the bolt in the first place. I've never, ever, heard of that happening to anyone else, with Evolvers or any other brakes, for that matter.
I have heard of slipping caps.
It took quite of bit of time to make my fronts quit slipping.
Both sets...
Both sets...
Both on the Black spring side. Both heavy springs.
[QUOTE=Beerman]I find it funny that you're complaining about the Odyssey springs and caps, when more likely than not, it's your own goddamn fault for overtensioning the bolt in the first place.QUOTE]
I overtensioned it alright, after the freakin' spring failed. C*R*A*P.
I have known how to work on bikes since before most current BMX companies were in existance.
And as far as using God's name in vain & not capitalizing it, your time will come...666 is just right around the corner.
It's nice that you "have known how to work on bikes since before most current BMX companies were in existence," but that doesn't change the fact that you're going to be hard-pressed to find any explanation for how that bolt (which has minimal pressure on it under normal riding conditions) could possibly snap in half like that, aside from being over-tightened.
And your spring got warped. Big deal. You're going to go out and spend however much cash you plan on spending to get new brakes, instead of simply calling up or emailing Chris or Nuno at Odyssey to have them send you a (most likely) free replacement.
And, yeah, I'm sure my time will come. In the meantime, keep on rocking out to Slipknot and Pantera, hypocrite.
Duct tape. Done.
Bailing Wire, Chewing Gum, & a Stun Gun...
1)...you're going to be hard-pressed to find any explanation for how that bolt (which has minimal pressure on it under normal riding conditions) could possibly snap in half like that, aside from being over-tightened.
And your spring got warped. Big deal. You're going to go out and spend however much cash you plan on spending to get new brakes, instead of simply calling up or emailing Chris or Nuno at Odyssey to have them send you a (most likely) free replacement.
2)And, yeah, I'm sure my time will come. In the meantime, keep on rocking out to Slipknot and Pantera, hypocrite.
1) Yeah, I shouldn't have forced a failing brake's bolt. I couldn't keep the Ody's tight on the black spring side. I spend an undue amount of retightening the spring bolts. Annoying as hell.
The spring did fail under normal conditions, meaning it suddenly just lost all of it's tension.
2) I thought you liked sarcasm...jeeeeeezzzzzzeeeeee.
Bailing Wire, Chewing Gum, & a Stun Gun...
I'd like to see what the stun gun's used for......
The duct tape, gum, wire, etc is plain to see.
Maybe you had some incompatability problems, i.e. the post was just a tad too short. Did you tighten the cap down without the spring? that'll normally tell you how freely the arm is moving on the post, if the arm is stiff it's common for people to up the spring tension, then you have to tighten the bolt further, which can mushroom the post which makes the arm stiffer etc.
If you're going to buy a new brake you should be aware that the fly limits the amount you can adjust the pads by, as the slot is a fair bit shorter than the evolver one.
V brakes are more prone to flexing than u brakes due to their longer arms...
Wanna trade 2 Ody Evolvers for your Revenge...lol.
don't forget it shouldn't take as much force to stop a 20" wheel as a 26" wheel because of less leverage. therefore, i am not too worried about flex of a v-brake.
I'd like to see what the stun gun's used for......
Humor.
Maybe you had some incompatability problems, i.e. the post was just a tad too short. Did you tighten the cap down without the spring? that'll normally tell you how freely the arm is moving on the post, if the arm is stiff it's common for people to up the spring tension, then you have to tighten the bolt further, which can mushroom the post which makes the arm stiffer etc.
My front brakes were a post/brake combo issue...the rear...all brake.
emailing Chris or Nuno at Odyssey to have them send you a (most likely) free replacement.
They'd have to respond for that to work.
They aren't...x3.
Most of my parts are from a company not responding to e-mails...oh so comforting!
They'd have to respond for that to work.
They aren't...x3.
Most of my parts are from a company not responding to e-mails...oh so comforting!
They wanted me to ship the bad springs, with no guarantee of replacement. At nearly the cost of the rebuild kit, why would I?
Next payday I'm getting Revenge brakes.
They wanted me to ship the bad springs, with no guarantee of replacement. At nearly the cost of the rebuild kit, why would I?
Next payday I'm getting Revenge brakes.
Haha, that sucks.
If Odyssey is being homosexual like that, then go for the other company!
But i thought that they had a good warranty department...?
Dont they?
Apparently not when it comes to their brakes.
Revenge is another brand, BTW.
Apparently not when it comes to their brakes.
Revenge is another brand, BTW.
Yeah oh well, i just hope my Odyssey fork doesnt give me any problems...
And im aware Revenge is another company, there made by S&M...
Yeah oh well, i just hope my Odyssey fork doesnt give me any problems...
And im aware Revenge is another company, there made by S&M...
I wouldn't worry if I was you. I don't.
I wouldn't worry if I was you. I don't.
Yeah, Odyssey forks are hella strong. Especially since i have the Dirt fork....
Ditto, but mine's got 990 mounts.
Got the Revenge brakes in & on my bike. WOW!!! :eek: :D So much smoother. The dual sealed bearings are vastly superior over the metal to metal contact of other u-brakes.
Can't wait to get a pair for the front...
Got the Revenge brakes in & on my bike. WOW!!! :eek: :D So much smoother. The dual sealed bearings are vastly superior over the metal to metal contact of other u-brakes.
Can't wait to get a pair for the front...
Sounds good.
Tell me what you think a month or two from now, becuase ill be getting new brakes and those are definatley on my list since my new frame will have seatstay brakes, i wont have to worry about stack height.
Sounds good.
Tell me what you think a month or two from now, becuase ill be getting new brakes and those are definatley on my list since my new frame will have seatstay brakes, i wont have to worry about stack height.
Will do.
I've been working 60+ hours a week & have school to deal with lately. I go back to a normal (40) hours next week & have finals the next 2 weeks. After that I'll be riding the heck out of it! Time to play...yeah!
What little I've ridden it, I noticed the lack of friction. The brakes work so smooth & the springs work 1000% better than the Ody's ever did. With the Ody's (and all other non-bearing brakes) any imperfections in the mounts will cause severe hinderence of the function. The Revenge eliminates that issue completely. Sure $70 is alot, but after the 1st time I pulled the lever, I knew it was worth the wait & $$$. Every penny, every second waited.
Will do.
I've been working 60+ hours a week & have school to deal with lately. I go back to a normal (40) hours next week & have finals the next 2 weeks. After that I'll be riding the heck out of it! Time to play...yeah!
What little I've ridden it, I noticed the lack of friction. The brakes work so smooth & the springs work 1000% better than the Ody's ever did. With the Ody's (and all other non-bearing brakes) any imperfections in the mounts will cause severe hinderence of the function. The Revenge eliminates that issue completely. Sure $70 is alot, but after the 1st time I pulled the lever, I knew it was worth the wait & $$$. Every penny, every second waited.
The sound good. Haha.
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