BMX - Integrated vs. standard headtube

post what you like better and y please. Thanks

this isant a thread about what i should get also. Thanks

I'll edit the title, please edit your post into English.

Thanks.

Integrated = clean looking

I've got to say that for steel frames the integrated seems awesome. I'd prefer it if the bearings were inteference fit, and you could get tapered rollerbeaing ones.

Integrated = Lighter.

Standard Headtube = a bruised apple

Standard Headtube = a bruised apple
huh.

Standard Headtube = a bruised apple
yeh, wots he on about? Explain please

A bruised apple is not as good as a non-bruised apple, it's still edible, but not as good. Same principel for the head tube, the standard one still works, but the integrated has more advantages.

A bruised apple is not as good as a non-bruised apple, it's still edible, but not as good. Same principel for the head tube, the standard one still works, but the integrated has more advantages.
whats better about them

The fact that they take about five seconds to install, for starters.

The fact that they take about five seconds to install, for starters.
ya but i just really cant see what eles could make them better other than they are faster to install and look better

They're also generally lighter. What else do you want from them?

but if i was buying a new frame and plan on using it for 2 2half years would it be better to get a intergraded and i was planing on getting the STRICKER frame soon

I'll edit the title, please edit your post into English.

Thanks.

Good luck...one can dream though.

There are no current BMX frames produced with an "intergraded" headset.

A bruised apple is not as good as a non-bruised apple, it's still edible, but not as good. Same principel for the head tube, the standard one still works, but the integrated has more advantages.


Wow, you are tallented. I had no idea wtf I was talking about when I wrote that, and you turned it around into something inteligent. Thank you. I aplaud you.

Haha, nice. I figured I'd try to make some sence out of it.

I used to be a fan of integrated headsets, I'm not anymore. Especially where BMX is concerned...since the bearing surfaces are machined into the head tube there's no facing or re-machining possible...the destruction of bearing surfaces pretty much means the end of your frame.

How often do you actually see that happen, though? I know a guy who's broken six or seven intergrated headsets over the past few years on his S&M Beringer, and he hasn't had that happen.

I used to be a fan of integrated headsets, I'm not anymore. Especially where BMX is concerned...since the bearing surfaces are machined into the head tube there's no facing or re-machining possible...the destruction of bearing surfaces pretty much means the end of your frame.

That's only a problem on aluminium frames. And as for reaming and facing it certainly shoud be possible, I don't if S and M do it, but a number of the taiwan frames come with the headtube machined after it's been welded. An interference fit would be nice though.

I used to be a fan of integrated headsets, I'm not anymore. Especially where BMX is concerned...since the bearing surfaces are machined into the head tube there's no facing or re-machining possible...the destruction of bearing surfaces pretty much means the end of your frame.
yes i do agree with you there btu are intergrated any stronger? thanks

yes i do agree with you there btu are intergrated any stronger? thanks
ya i would think but im not positive

It's funny that someone actually cares if it's lighter. How much lighter can it actually be? A few ounces? When you riding a tank of a steel bike to begin with..... I'm assuming that racers would want a bit lighter. But either one isn't going to keep you from doing anything.

That's only a problem on aluminium frames. And as for reaming and facing it certainly shoud be possible, I don't if S and M do it, but a number of the taiwan frames come with the headtube machined after it's been welded. An interference fit would be nice though.

No bike shop *I* know has tools for that. And many's the frame I've sent back with uneven bearing surfaces out of the box already, not just aluminum. Not to mention running your headset loose destroys your frame and not two cheap little steel cups. But BMXers don't do that, right? Everything is regularly and meticulously adjusted by professionals!

How often do you actually see that happen, though? I know a guy who's broken six or seven intergrated headsets over the past few years on his S&M Beringer, and he hasn't had that happen.

This guy sounds like an example already.

Good luck...one can dream though.
Nice A/V bling. I'm no shutterbug but ya might try shooting your subjects at a bit of an angle to avoid the bounce-back of the flash. Even with a cheap dig-cam it'll help.
It's a toss-up...buy more bike doodads or home-theater funzies!

Nice A/V bling. I'm no shutterbug but ya might try shooting your subjects at a bit of an angle to avoid the bounce-back of the flash. Even with a cheap dig-cam it'll help.
It's a toss-up...buy more bike doodads or home-theater funzies!

Thanks. I made sure the wifey got all new appliances & home remodeled inside & out before I started paying for my expensive hobbies.

The biggest problem with me taking pics is I don't have a steady hand.

Buy...both. I'm still buying bike stuff and A/V stuff too (just minor odds & ends stuff here & there, nothing major). The A/V bling costs alot more than bike stuff!

Bike:
Revenge Brakes (get rid of existant Ody)
Suspension seatpost
Odyssey Midway Chrome rim for rear w/12ga. spokes

A/V:
Cables
iPod 60GB
Ultimate Ears Super .5 Pro
Another 160HDD for desktop
CD-R/DVD-R for desktop
Possiblly another SVS dual 12" driver subwoofer

This guy sounds like an example already.

breaking 6+ integrated headsets over three years w/o ovalizing his headtube > breaking 6+ aheadsets in the same amount of time and destroying his headtube

I cracked the headtube on my Freebird after 1 1/2 years of riding it, and I don't know what the hell i'm going to do. I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO TURN.

Turning away from Kink would be your best starting point.

Odyssey Midway Chrome rim for rear w/12ga. spokes


Why would you want to do that?

Turning away from Kink would be your best starting point.

Realy? I thought that they were a good respectable company(when it comes to frames), atleast when I bought it.

I was thinking, Grim Reaper, LAF, or an FBM of some kind for my next frame.

Grim Reaper

No comment.

No comment.

What do you have agaisnt that frame? Some friends of mine have been riding theres for a while with no problems, and hell even Eric Holly is running one(he even had a Ti one he was testing).

So Beerman, lets hear it. Pull some genius answer out of no where that will put me in my place.

(I am going to be killed VIA internet)

I'll need some popcorn for this...

Don't believe the hype.

Don't believe the hype.

You don't even know what the hype is about.

He probably thinks that the Eastern Grim Reaper would look great with a seven-foot seatpost and som Haro Kneesaver IIs on it.

Now, "BMichaelX", let's see here:

The frame has a pair of holes in the headtube, a pair of holes in the seattube, holes in the caps for the stays, and a hole in the bottom bracket. Now that says two things to me:

1) Less strong. Now, that's great that four-pegged street shredder Erik Holley is riding it, but he tested it for how long? And he's apparently off the chromo one from what I've been told as well. And I highly, highly doubt the validity of the rumor that he stopped riding the titanium one because "he didn't like riding on something worth that much money"; the fact that Taj managed to break a titanium Barcode, which is a far beefier frame, in addition to complaining about how flexy it was, says more than enough about ti freestyle frames to me. On a sidenote, I don't care how many degrees the NASCAR engineer they paid to design the frame had; removing material is guaranteed to make the frame less strong.

2) Rust. Unless they powder coated the frame inside and out (which would add weight), that thing is going to rust from the inside out. Not to mention the fact that sealed integrated headsets aren't available, and those dust covers aren't going to do much when you get water and sediment in your headtube. Sure, your BB will probably be fine, since it has sealed bearings, but your headset? Not a chance in hell after a few months, unless you take your bike apart every few months.

edit: On a sidenote, even if they did powdercoat the inside of the frame, the steerer tube on your fork will not be coated, and will thus rust. The same goes for chromoly crankarm spindles.

I was gonna post some old bollocks about cutouts completely removing any torsional strength a tube has, but it doesn't really matter http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=57401&d=1145197347

http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=57402&d=1145197347

http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=57403&d=1145197347

Haha. I doubt Eastern's warranty for that frame actually covers riding it. Whats the thread that was from, Dooley? I hate going to that site, because, as we all know, Sheepdong is a tool.

edit: NM, I found it. http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75090

Hype...

I'm too old to give a ****.

hey dooly what frame is that in the pics

Eastern Grim Reaper...

He probably thinks that the Eastern Grim Reaper would look great with a seven-foot seatpost and som Haro Kneesaver IIs on it.

Now, "BMichaelX", let's see here:

The frame has a pair of holes in the headtube, a pair of holes in the seattube, holes in the caps for the stays, and a hole in the bottom bracket. Now that says two things to me:

1) Less strong. Now, that's great that four-pegged street shredder Erik Holley is riding it, but he tested it for how long? And he's apparently off the chromo one from what I've been told as well. And I highly, highly doubt the validity of the rumor that he stopped riding the titanium one because "he didn't like riding on something worth that much money"; the fact that Taj managed to break a titanium Barcode, which is a far beefier frame, in addition to complaining about how flexy it was, says more than enough about ti freestyle frames to me. On a sidenote, I don't care how many degrees the NASCAR engineer they paid to design the frame had; removing material is guaranteed to make the frame less strong.

2) Rust. Unless they powder coated the frame inside and out (which would add weight), that thing is going to rust from the inside out. Not to mention the fact that sealed integrated headsets aren't available, and those dust covers aren't going to do much when you get water and sediment in your headtube. Sure, your BB will probably be fine, since it has sealed bearings, but your headset? Not a chance in hell after a few months, unless you take your bike apart every few months.

edit: On a sidenote, even if they did powdercoat the inside of the frame, the steerer tube on your fork will not be coated, and will thus rust. The same goes for chromoly crankarm spindles.


I am going to print this out and give copys of it too all the kids that ride in my local area since like 15 of them have asked me and other poeple that know better if that frame is good...

WELL PUT.

He probably thinks that the Eastern Grim Reaper would look great with a seven-foot seatpost and som Haro Kneesaver IIs on it.

Now, "BMichaelX", let's see here:

The frame has a pair of holes in the headtube, a pair of holes in the seattube, holes in the caps for the stays, and a hole in the bottom bracket. Now that says two things to me:

1) Less strong. Now, that's great that four-pegged street shredder Erik Holley is riding it, but he tested it for how long? And he's apparently off the chromo one from what I've been told as well. And I highly, highly doubt the validity of the rumor that he stopped riding the titanium one because "he didn't like riding on something worth that much money"; the fact that Taj managed to break a titanium Barcode, which is a far beefier frame, in addition to complaining about how flexy it was, says more than enough about ti freestyle frames to me. On a sidenote, I don't care how many degrees the NASCAR engineer they paid to design the frame had; removing material is guaranteed to make the frame less strong.

2) Rust. Unless they powder coated the frame inside and out (which would add weight), that thing is going to rust from the inside out. Not to mention the fact that sealed integrated headsets aren't available, and those dust covers aren't going to do much when you get water and sediment in your headtube. Sure, your BB will probably be fine, since it has sealed bearings, but your headset? Not a chance in hell after a few months, unless you take your bike apart every few months.

edit: On a sidenote, even if they did powdercoat the inside of the frame, the steerer tube on your fork will not be coated, and will thus rust. The same goes for chromoly crankarm spindles.

1. The reason he stoped riding it, was because his bike was "too light", not because it was to expensive. Also, I have seen him in the last few weeks riding the regular Grim Reaper still.

2. A lot better thna those plastic caps(which some people say the didn't even get with the frame), is you just cover them with a few stickers, or whatever. The only way stuff will get past that is if you are riding in a complete down pour, or maybe in a dust storm, but how many times have you rode in a dust storm?

The only one of the cut outs I don't trust 1 billion percent is the headtube cut out, and maybe the BB cut out. How many times have you EVER seen someone break/crack their frame in the place of one of those cut outs on a normal frame? Explain how the holes in the seatstay "caps" make the frame less strong?

isnt there one in the seatpost?...i feel like that should be one of the toughest parts seeing as how everything connects to it

yes there is one in the seatpost and i agree with you there MUDE

Yes there is, but have you seen anyone EVER break/crack a frame on the SEATPOST? I know I havn't, so then why do you think you need all that material there?

Yes, plenty of times. Maybe not in that spot, but I've seen plenty of cracked welds at the toptube-seattube junction.

And seeing what happened to that frame, I sure as hell wouldn't trust it. Especially with .035" thick tubing on the downtube. The .049" on my LAF is thin enough.